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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:30 PM
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we will not win 2006 unless we fix these elections
we need everyone to start working on this...
we need to organize!

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:32 PM
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1. Why not? The Republicans keep fixing them
and they aren't even broken!
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:34 PM
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2. I am watching Mark Crispin Miller
we need to take action...
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:42 PM
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3. DAMN IT YOU GUYS BETTER WIN
Talk about nightmare sheeesh
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:26 AM
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4. Vote absentee. That's what my answer is. nt
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juliana24 Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:53 AM
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5. Did that both times. Now what ?
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skeeters2525 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 02:54 PM
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11. Well Not Every One Will Vote Absentee
What a usesless response. Do nothing but my vote will count because I vote absentee. NO ONE in real life will be voting absentee. So either fix the voting machines or get used to an evil regime, which is what we got.

We will all rant about it and do nothing. And wonder what happened in the next election and the next election and the next election.
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 07:44 AM
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6. Too true Slit Skirt!
Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 07:54 AM by jen4clark
To find local groups fighting for election integrity go to VoteTrustUSA. Click the "Get Involved" link at top of page and down on the right States are listed. Click your state, contact the groups/people, and get involved!

Watched Mark Crispin Miller on C-Span2 last night. Pretty scary what we're up against, and it's going to take ALL of us getting involved. What people are finally figuring out is this isn't a Dem vs Repub issue. This is about the takeover of the Repub party by the Fundies who are essentially on a suicide mission - i.e. "End of Times" is coming and they truly believe it is up to them to help it along. No need to worry about deficits, the environment, etc. Mark covers all this in his latest book, Fooled Again - How the Right Stole the 2004 Election & Why They'll Steal The Next One Too. These people see us as the enemy who must be defeated at any and all costs and will stop at nothing - they're literally pathological and truly believe in what they're doing.

Here's a snip from a transcript of a talk Mark gave in Portland, November 2005:

...Understand that this is a theocratic movement. It is not just a bunch of corporations, that know better, slyly manipulating the pieties of the masses. That is a leftist fallacy. Because we are talking about the energetic, political participation of a number of extremely right wing billionaires with enormous clout, people like Richard Mellon Scaif, and Howard Ahmanson. These are people who are extraordinarily active and productive on the political front and they make Soros look like a piper. They spent far more money that he does. They spend it on propaganda; they spend it on political issues. Howard Ahmanson is the motive force behind the schism in the Episcopalian Church. He supports the Discovery Institute which is behind the spread of Intelligent Design. So to say there is religion over here and there are corporations over here is a mistake. It's not that simple because there are points of convergence.


What we have here is a movement intent on turning the United States into a Christian republic. Now they often say that the United States is a Christian republic, then you say to them, "As a matter of fact, it isn't." Look at say the First Amendment, look at Article 6 which forbids a religious test for office holders, look at everything the framers ever said on the subject. Well they don't want to hear that so they say, "Well, it's a Christian republic." Does this sound familiar? "Mr. President, there is no evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq." "0h yeah? there is too." "Go back and find it." "Oh, wait. Here it is, here it is." See? We think they are lying through their teeth, but please believe me that Cheney still believes there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. If it were only lying, or or if it was only machiavellian manipulation, I promise you we would be better off than we are right now. What we are dealing with is pathological. You tell them, "Hey, there is no evidence for intelligent design," and they say "oh yes there is." They proclaim that there is. There is no evidence that abstainance based sex education does anything except raise pregnancy rates and raise rates of sexually transmitted diseases. They say "Nope...no..." Because it's faith based...



Anyone who needs some basic information on what we're facing as far as elections, start out with "The Companies" and the "Technology" Chapters at Who's Counting.

Also, keep current with BradBlog - he's been at the forefront of this since Nov. '04. Also, John Gideon of VoteTrustUSA posts "Daily Voting News" daily at BradBlog.

MCM said it's probably too late to fix the election system for Nov. but more and more people are becoming aware that we've got serious problems so eventually it will be exposed, but it's up to us.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 09:50 AM
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7. thank you...you should put this as a seperate thread
I will help nominate it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:29 AM
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8. Kick
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:33 AM
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9. Did you mean UN-fix the elections?
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 02:47 PM
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10. unfix the fix!
:rofl:
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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 03:11 PM
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12. I'm in favor of the UN overseeing our elections
If they won't, then I say lets fight fire with fire. Have the Democrat-run counties count the votes any way they want.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 05:15 PM
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14. Why ask someone else to oversee?
Why don't we do it ourselves?

Why don't we take control of the democratic party and then we can count the votes any way we want? Ya know, take it back from the dinos.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 05:08 PM
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13. I will vote absentee because the voting debacle will not be fixed when
we vote. Don't get me wrong. I WANT the voting procedures to be fixed, but don't think it's going to happen in November. Until it is fixed, I am voting absentee.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 05:33 PM
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15. Absentee voting is just has bad
The Repugs use absentee voting to mine all kinds of votes. They go after the inactive voter lists and vote for them.

Voting IN PERSON, with PEN and PAPER is the only way.

EARLY VOTING should be held in every state and be easily accessible. It is the only way.

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