My respect for Dean has just increased greatly...

[Dookus]

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=4266802

PHOENIX (Reuters) - Sometimes a breast is just a breast.
Howard Dean, a physician and a Democratic presidential candidate, on Monday dismissed as "silly" a government inquiry into whether indecency rules were broken during the broadcast of the Super Bowl halftime show when pop diva Janet Jackson's bodice was ripped to expose her right breast.

"I find that to be a bit of a flap about nothing," the former Vermont governor said. "I'm probably affected in some ways by the fact that I'm a doctor, so it's not exactly an unusual phenomenon for me."

*snip*

"I don't find it terribly shocking relative to some of the things you can find on standard cable television," he added. "I think the FCC probably has a lot of other things they should be pursuing."

[Sean Reynolds]

1. Weird - I was about to post the exact same thing....

;-)

[incapsulated]

2. Beavis and Butthead moment

"I find that to be a bit of a flap about nothing,"

:)

[Kathleen04]

7. Heh heh heh..He said "flap"

;)

[Bucky]

13. This year a flap; 5 yrs ago it would've made a more pointed statement

With its piercing commentary on current pop culture. Oh the mammeries that brings back...

[Kathleen04]

22. LOL, Bucky!

:)

[ShaneGR]

3. I generally agree, BUT, he's missing something

CBS said the Moveon voter fund ad was unfit for airing, but that raunchy halftime show was?

[xultar]

6. All they needed was a boob in the ad and CBS woulda been good

2 go!

[MercutioATC]

52. No, they said they don't air position ads. They have a right to make that

decision.

The JJ episode had absolutely nothing to do with that.

69. ah but the irony is beautiful

trying to avoid flak for one thing, they get it for another.
from the sublime to the ridiculous

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. Yes, like "the Man Show" and "Howard Stern"

:puke:

[xultar]

5. Go Dr. Dean. Absolutely great way to put it! n/t

[Dookus]

8. Yes it was....

he's the first candidate I've seen comment on it, and he's absolutely right.

[Straight Shooter]

9. Nice to hear from a politician who is pragmatic about such things

Dr. Dean, cool, calm, and collected. The side of him that some people conveniently forget about.

Janet did make such a nice advertisement for Dow Corning implants, though.

[Bucky]

10. My respect for Dean will go up when he apologizes to Clark. Not before.

He called a good Democrat a Republican, which is like calling Jennifer Granholm or Madeleine Allbright not American citizens. He's a jerk in my book and will stay a jerk in my book until he says I'm sorry.

[Dookus]

12. well I'm clearly unhappy about that, too...

but this is politics, not checkers.

On THIS issue, he's right. I commend him for that.

[Hawkeye-X]

16. I am sorry to inform you

That the good Doctor will not apologize anytime when there is clear and uncontroversial evidence that Clark did at one point praise the Chimp not less than two years ago.

I don't care if he's a Democrat. Further evidence tells me otherwise and it is no wonder why most conservative states like AZ and NM which has military bases have overall support for Clark.

[Dookus]

17. posts like this

make it hard for people like me to even TRY to say nice things about Dean.

Dean has praised Bush and Cheney, too. I suspect you knew that.

[nofurylike]

56. you mean like

#10, Bucky's completely inappropriate vitriol spat upon one small moment of unity here?
that post?

because was real fine till that moment, no?
wow.

wowowow.


peace

[Dookus]

75. wasn't I the first to respond to Bucky?

I said I didn't like the comment, but it's politics - nothing unusual.

I stand by my vow to never create another thread complimentary of Howard Dean.

at least Bucky provided a reason for his views. The other drive-by assassins just spewed their crap and ran away.

[girl gone mad]

18. So, someone..

is a Republican based on fleeting praise for a sitting President, but espousing a liberal agenda all day long for months on end, coupled with on the record liberal positions on 3 seperate wars does not make one a Democrat?

You can't have it both ways. If talk makes someone a Republican, talk should also make someone a Democrat.

[incapsulated]

19. KO!

pwn'd!

[progressivebydesign]

33. Clark's a Democrat??

When did that happen?

[Dookus]

35. good job...

this will the last complimentary thread I ever start about Dean.

[MercutioATC]

53. Don't base your posts on a few obnoxious comments...

I'm a Dean supporter who has issues with Clark's past praise of Bush, but I'd like to see Dean ease up. I think that together, Dean and Clark could bring Kerry (the REAL danger) down.

I appreciate you starting this thread. Thanks.

[Beaker]

66. seeing as he voted for Clinton twice and then Gore-

it obviously happened quite a while ago.

[RetroLounge]

68. Threadjack...

eom

[girl gone mad]

11. right on.

Much ado about nothing.

Or should I say, much ado about a flap. :evilgrin:

[arewethereyet]

14. some girl's breast is no big deal in an appropriate setting

that being one that people can choose to view or not as they wish.

Having it displayed in that setting is totally inappopriate. For taht matter the entire half time show was largely inappropriate as family entertainment.

The NFL was obviously looking for a way to prepare a new generation of people to carry this cash cow forward as the existing base who have been picking up the tab are greying.

Hope those 18-24 year olds are prepared to start paying the big bucks pretty soon, not so sure the old farts will be that anxious to come back.

[Dookus]

15. Whether you think it's appropriate or not...

do you think the FCC should invest resources in this matter?

Personally, I think combining sex with rock'n'roll is an idea that's long overdue ;)

[arewethereyet]

29. yes its their job to invest resources into this matter

its one of the things the are supposed to do.

I'm fine with combinig sex and music in an appropriate formet and in an appropriate venue, have at it.

This is not such a scenario.

If my kid had seen this (she is not a fotball fan) I'd have been filing suit.

[Dookus]

31. well...

we just have to disagree on this. I think it's ridiculous to spend a public dime on a flash of breast.

[arewethereyet]

36. oh, then we agree

it would be fine to eliminate the investagative arm of the agency as they are no longer necessary to provide enforcement.

Thats got to be good for several hundred million off the deficit there alone !

I'm all for eliminating government waste too !

[Dookus]

39. umm.. no, I don't think we agree

I think you're being sarcastic.

I think there's a lot of things worse with the media in our country than a flash of tit that lasted about 2 seconds. It's about #4,587,290 on the list of things to worry about.

[arewethereyet]

41. well I can still be glad that the FCC disagrees with you

and I hope charges are brought against Justin Timberlake. If any other male did that to any other female anywhere else in the country (well maybe not in a theater in TImes Square) they would be getting locked up.

[Dookus]

43. only if he did it without the woman's consent...

I believe firmly that Janet gave her consent. In fact, I bet it was her idea.

on edit: If Timberlake committed sexual assault on Janet Jackson, she should file charges. And not with the FCC.

[arewethereyet]

45. per Ms Jackson...

he was permitted to remove the topmost layer leaving the red material beneath (you can see what she is referring to on the other side in the pictures). This was agreed to by her, MTV and the network. Ergo the "costume malfunction". I guess ole Justin just doesn't know his own strength, or didn't care.

No consent.

Criminal charges should already have been made minimally by Houston PD. But this has national implications as well.

[Dookus]

46. I'm sure Ms. Jackson

could file a complaint against Timberlake today if she chose to.

She won't choose to.

She was in on it. Your explanation does NOT match that put out by Miss Jackson.

Seriously... it's just a breast. On TV. For about a second.

[last1standing]

73. You want charges filed for an accident?

The sight of Janet Jackson's nipple offends you to the point of wanting charges filed against Justin Timberlake for accidently ripping her dress during a performance? In an earlier post you even stated that had your child been watching you would have filed suit, yourself. Can you not see how irrational these posts of yours sound?

[last1standing]

25. What's inappropriate about breasts?

Why should the female breast be offensive to families when its one of the first sights most children see? When it comes to nudity, I'd say that if someone is so hung up that they're offended by the human body it's their problem to deal with. We need to stop going along with the idea that the body is sinful.

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[progressivebydesign]

34. I'd be more upset that my 10 year old was watching beer ads..

and scantily clad women in the context of a violent CSI promo.

[arewethereyet]

38. well I hope the women in your life are not subjected to replays

of this by teenagers on the street who have just had it validated to them that ripping cloths off women is OK, just a lark.

[Dookus]

40. well lord knows

children would never see sexual situations or feigned violence on television prior to yesterday :eyes:

[KaraokeKarlton]

49. You know, if you think about it...football isn't the best thing for a kid

to be watching anyhow. It's very violent. For the life of me, I don't get why people are all bent out of shape over Janet's boob being seen by kids. If people were really protective of their kids they wouldn't be letting them watch violence, either. :shrug:

[last1standing]

63. If it's consensual, it's not rape.

Not even a prelude to it. But I guess anytime progressives talk about the prudish and hypocritical stance our society takes towards the human body there'll be someone who stands up and screams "feigned aggravated sexual assault" or something to that effect.

At least I can rejoice in the fact that I've apparently joined "the hip hop crack crowd", or should I be complaining that I've been tarred with a racist comment?

As for your 10 year old daughter, I wouldn't presume to tell you how to raise her, but since you felt obligated to bring her into the discussion, aren't you more concerned about the portrayal of women in the beer commercials than a single breast briefly flashed from a distance?

[Shanty Oilish]

48. The appropriate place to flash it during football---

is on the other side of the tv screen. Read your Playboy etiquette. :)

[nofurylike]

57. then what will you think when mobs of us go walking bare-breasted

through town squares to get our right to have that freedom men don't even seem to realize we are denied - as happened, for instance, in Italy to get that right?

breasts.

'well...-w-w-well...if...if g-g-goddess m-m-meant you to go bare-breasted, she'd a made you that way!! dammit!!'


peace

[ProudToBeLiberal]

20. thanks for posting this

[HuckleB]

21. Wow! Common sense. Straight and honest.

Is this the problem? He's not the usual politician? Is that what makes some people uneasy about the guy?

[DrFunkenstein]

23. Doctors Get To See Lots of Boobies?

My respect increased too. I don't think there is anything indecent about Janet Jackson's boob. In fact, I wanted to see Justin Timberlake's boob, too.

[dorktv]

74. Just looking at him would be a view of a boob.

Doctors generally try to be sensitive to a woman's desire for modesty but sometimes you have to let the doctor see you nude. And it is always so dang COLD!

[maggrwaggr]

24. Janet Jackson's boob was one of the LEAST tasteless things about the SB

All of the Vegas-y, confetti-orgasm, pop rock bullshit was just vile and disgusting.

I mean, just the sight of Justin Timberlake is WAY more offensive than a stunt like the boob-flap.

Kid Rock? Ugh. Aerosmith? Ugh.

All of it is just some weird vile kind of show-business cancer that's grown up around a football game.

[Anwen]

26. Way to go Dr. Dean

The big fuss surrounding this incident is incredibly silly.

[slinkerwink]

27. Dean's right on this issue as always.....

;-)

[EvilJam]

28. doctor dead on re: funbag issue!

but, i damn near choked on the chips when timbers freed the joygland! - evil

[Andromeda]

32. The government ...

is just making a mountain out of a molehill!:evilgrin:

[ngGale]

37. You know I really like Dean too his comment about Janet was...

Almost the same thing I said. I couldn't believe all the talk today about Janet. We didn't see it, they cut the lights out. So, why did they tell us about it. The media is in a lack for things to talk about, you know things are so peaceful and stable in this country.
LOL--

[chocolateeater]

42. Thank you for posting this. It is much appreciated.

It is laughable that they are investigating something so trivial. But then these are the same people who put sheets on a nude statue at the Justice Dept.

[Dookus]

44. You're welcome...

but as I said above, it's the last time I'll post something nice about Dean. I tried. And a few people had to come in and commit drive-by smears against my guy. So screw it.

[nofurylike]

58. a guy for your guy,

post #10, Bucky: "He's a jerk in my book and will stay a jerk in my book until he says I'm sorry." starts it all.

but who you get...

eh.


peace

[Shanty Oilish]

47. What does being a doctor have to do with it?

Only doctors are accustomed to seeing breasts? Half the adult population HAS them! And when was the last time Howard Dean saw one?

:eyes:

With a medallion? :crazy:

[wabeewoman]

50. It continues to be the hypocracy that is the issue...

I didn't watch the super bowl or the ads but my husband said the ads(and Jon Stewart played one) about erectile dysfunction, a horny chimp making a pass at a human and the suggestive dancing were at least as offensive. Not to mention the male streaker. My issue is that its the morality concern that they are enraged about not the effect media consolidation is having on democracy. I mean lets focus on the important issues.

[MurikanDemocrat]

51. I just LMAO at this big stink over a breast

I feel sorry for people who get so uptight over a normal body part.

What does bother me is the idea of Justin reaching across her and tearing that breast piece off in the first place. THAT was not appropriate and I don't care for the message that sends that some guy can expose a female like that.

I watched the video and I realize it was staged, so it's not like she didn't know it was coming and consented to it.

[Jacobin]

54. Thanks for another rational statement from Dr. Dean

TitGate is a diversion and a non event.

When showing a baby bottle on TV freaks out the government more than illegal wars killing tens of thousands, its time for a change of the government.

[BootinUp]

55. Thing is

it was intentional. If the FCC doesn't take some strong action then whats next. I really have little sympathy for todays music stars and the music industry as a whole.

[LuminousX]

59. I'd rather live in a society where we can intentionally show a breast

on tv but get fined when we show someone shooting another person in the face. Call me New Fashioned.

[BootinUp]

60. such hyperbole

why defend janet and timberlake and cbs and mtv? They are adults and they knew exactly what they were doing.

As far as violence war etc., I wasn't commenting on that, it is not part of the discussion. It is an effort by you and others to change the subject and defend the million dollar babies.

[LuminousX]

65. I'm not defending them

I just don't think it is worth all this attention. It is a breast. If America hasn't seen one by now, they probably never will.

Should they be fined, yep. Should this be a subject for E! News, MTV, People and Us magazine, yep. Should we spend more than 5 minutes thinking about the 'wrongness of it?' Nope.

I raise the violence issue only because, we as a society accept violence more readily than a nipple.

To me, the real issue is the simulated sexual assault - that's something to be upset about. But a boob shot? Who cares?

[BootinUp]

67. I think we partly agree

Yes to not deserving of a lot of attention and time. Yes to fine them, and I would add, make the penalties stiff on the network.

I think a lot of people see it as more than just a nipple shot though. It's a continued lowering of the music industries behavior to make money by selling sex instead of producing a product that contributes to society in a meaningful way.

[Cuban_Liberal]

61. With all the REALLY bad crap I deal with on a daily basis...

... I found the JJ boob incident to be minorly annoying, at most. I agree with Dr. Dean: the FCC has bigger fish to fry.

[deutsey]

62. I've never understood why our society is so uptight about breasts

Perhaps if what's his face started fondling it or sucking on it there'd be something to get upset about (that's rather purient), but a breast is a breast is a breast. As someone who has witnessed firsthand my child being born and afterward feeding from his mother's breast, I have to say the adolescent "tee-hee" factor over female anatomy is a bit passe.

[NewHampster]

64. Reply to #10

What's wrong with being a Republican.

According to the dictionary Clark should be proud.


1- Of, relating to, or characteristic of a republic.
2 -Favoring a republic as the best form of government.

[RetroLounge]

70. What is more offensive?

Janet Jackson's boob?

or

That Boob Toby Keith?

[Mr_Scarecrow]

71. Right on RetroLounge!

Toby Keith's puss is way more offensive than JJ's boob! The poop that comes out of that numbskull's mouth makes me gag.

[hippiechick]

72. We get naked men butts on NYPD Blue etc ....

and the Lingerie Bowl and the Sports Illustrated PhotoShoot Documentary ...


but we can't handle the milli-second sight of a real boob ?

WTF is wrong with this country ???


:hippie:

[xultar]

76. Ditto n/t