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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:43 PM
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If Kerry Can Bring Out The AWOL Issue, What About The Coke Toots?
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 10:44 PM by DrFunkenstein
Considering that Kerry was one of the leaders cracking down on Central American drug smuggling - Manuel Noriega in particular - and exposed the CIA connection to that smuggling, do you think the media will pick up the fact that Bush did coke, but sent people to the big house for doing the same?

The fact that Bush lost his National Guard flying privileges because he refused to take a drug test can be a jumping off point. How much political damage do you think this could do?

Kerry admitted smoking pot, and favors a great relaxing of marijuana laws (but not legalization - sorry). The GOP tried to slam Gore for smoking pot - and no one bothered to pursue Bush's cocaine charges. Should we let him off the hook again?





Think that aircraft carrier stunt is going to bite him in the ass?

Edited for bonus feature:

But despite significant media attention this week, the only government official to touch upon the disconnect between the drug use of political leaders and the punitive drug policies that they often espouse was Sen. John Kerry (D-MA).

On Monday, Kerry was asked by reporters to explain why he thought that questions surrounding George Bush regarding whether or not he had used cocaine were more substantively relevant than Gore's use of marijuana. Kerry, noting that Al Gore had already admitted his use of marijuana, said:

"(H)e (Gore) said 'I used it.' So that's not an issue... And I don't think Al Gore intends, you know, to make prior use an issue of other people, except to the degree that it affects public policy."

Pressed later on the question of the Bush cocaine rumors, Kerry laid out his thinking on why Bush's drug use, if substantiated, is indeed an important issue for voters to consider:

"The issue about George Bush is not the fact that he may have used it, said Kerry. "The issue about George Bush is, how can you, if you have (used cocaine), have a position that is so at odds in terms of being a governor where you send a lot of other people who may have done the same thing you do to jail. That's the issue. It's not a question of whether he used it or when he used it, it's a question of what his policy is today and whether that's hypocritical and dangerous."

The Week Online spoke with Kerry Spokesman David Wade, who reiterated the Senator's position.

"The Vice President has long admitted that he has used marijuana," said Wade. "Governor Bush, on the other hand, will say only that when he was young and irresponsible, he was young and irresponsible. But when Bush has had the opportunity to score political points in Texas by promulgating tough, extremely punitive new laws against drug users, he has been happy to do so."

http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/123/gorequestions.shtml
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:44 PM
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1. Actually,
I don't believe Kerry did bring out the AWOL issue. In fact, when queried about it during a recent interview he brushed it off.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:45 PM
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3. I was really upset about that this evening. The verified facts were
presented...and nothing. These candidates are making me angry. I will kiss the first one who calls Bush on this...Before October.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:58 PM
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6. One DU post said Kerry was "diplomatic" about the question
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 11:00 PM by Straight Shooter
From my perspective, that means he's waiting for Howard Dean to confront bush and then he'll decide what to say about it.

On edit, I'm referring to the AWOL issue.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:45 PM
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2. In all fairess
It was the Clark camp that brought the AWOL issue to the forefront.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:52 PM
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4. Well, It Was Mike Moore (And Clark Neither Confirmed Nor Denied It)
But the point is that, down the road in the general election, are we going to kick Bush's ass on these "character" issues or what?
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:54 PM
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5. YES!!!!
I hope so, anyway. What good is having a reprobate for an opponent if you don't say so?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:59 PM
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7. Does it seem to anyone else that Kerry steals
all the other candidates best issues and talking points?
Like accepting credit for being the one to bring attention to the Bush AWOL issue and others? It seems to me I always think this when I hear him speak. But maybe that is because I didn't pay much attention to him before the media dubbed him #1.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:00 PM
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8. Is it true that Bush lost his flying privileges cuz he refused drug tests?
If that can be proven, I don't see how that would be anything but earth-shattering for Bush's credibility....
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:05 PM
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9. It's a supposition.
He didn't take the first exam after drug testing started. And there were some strange goings-on in his life the next year.

Minimum: He should have to -answer- the question before a group of probing reporters.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:09 PM
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11. well lets save some bullets for later
his iraq thing is doing pretty well at the moment - 10 months is a long time in politics
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:18 PM
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13. If Kerry Has To Answer About Botox, Bush Should Get Coke Treatment
He should definitely be asked by the press if he did cocaine in the months previous to that drug test.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:30 PM
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15. No, he didn't refuse drug testing. He refused
three times to take a physical exam so he lost his flying privileges. "People" believe he refused this exam because it also included and drug test and assume that is why he wouldn't take it. I assume the "People" are correct. I also might add...if he lost his license he would no longer be able to defend his beloved country in Viet Nam. It was a no brainer! But we already know he has no brains.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:08 PM
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10. Kerry does not...
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 11:09 PM by girl gone mad
favor "a great relaxing of marijuana laws."

This is another one of those issues where he talks out of both sides of his mouth. He tells Rolling Stone Magazine that as a prosecutor he didn't pursue small drug offense cases, but he isn't exactly for doing anything to change the law. In his time in the Senate, he's done absolutely nothing to abate the failed war on drugs. One of his top advisors is a key figure in the WOD in Colombia.

A Kerry administration would be no better on the issue of marijuana than the Clinton administration was.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:16 PM
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12. Thanks For Bringing It Up!
RS: You have talked in the past of smoking pot when you returned from Vietnam. What do you think of the way the pot laws are prosecuted today?

K: We have never had a legitimate War on Drugs in the United States, ever, and we won't until we have treatment on demand for addiction and until you have full drug education in our schools. The mandatory-minimum-sentencing structure of our country is funneling people into jail who have no business being there.

RS: And every year, the number of people arrested for marijuana offenses goes up.

K: I've met plenty of people in my lifetime who've used marijuana and who I would not qualify as serious addicts -- who use about the same amount as some people drink beer or wine or have a cocktail. I don't get too excited by any of that.

RS: Would you favor decriminalization?

K: No, not quite. What we did in the prosecutor's office was have a sort of unspoken approach to marijuana that was almost effectively decriminalization. We just didn't bother with small-time use. It doesn't rise to the level of nuisance, even. And what we were after was people dealing with heroin and destroying lives, and people who were killing people. That's where you need to focus.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2003_1202a.html

PS - I'd hardly be surprised that one of his key advisors came from the WOD, considering that Kerry was the friggin' chair of International Narcotics Committee...
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:19 PM
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14. sounds sane to me....
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:33 PM
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16. How dare Kerry
express a common sense approach to drug policy. Incidently, on the topic of drugs, I'd hope whoever the nominee is can come up with a new approach to reducing the crystal meth problem. Every time I visit the country kin I hear another story about the havoc it's wreaking.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:18 AM
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18. Hi King of New Orleans!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:35 PM
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17. Let the liberal talk radio guys do it
or McAuliffe. The candidates themselves shouldn't fling shit around - they'll end up smelling like it.

I personally believe the AWOL buzz will end up opening a can of worms - the coke use, the "I've been sober for 20 years" when there's video of him passing out at a state dinner in '92, the multiple arrests, and on and on.

But I don't think our guys should get their hands dirty.
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