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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:40 PM
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listen/watch Seymour Hersh's interview on Iran -- REALLY scary stuff!!!
Edited on Wed Apr-12-06 04:41 PM by Douglas Carpenter
He pretty much says that baring unforeseen events a major attack on Iran is almost certainly going to happen in the not too distant future:

link to listen/watch/or read transcript:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/1359254

snip: "Everybody I talk to, the hawks I talk to, the neoconservatives, the people who are very tough absolutely say there's no way the U.N. is going to work, and we're just going to have to assume it doesn’t in any way. Iran, by going along with the U.N., what they're really doing is rushing their nuclear program. And so, the skepticism -- there's no belief, faith here, ultimately, in this White House, in the extent of the talk, so you've got a parallel situation. The President could then say, ‘We've explored all options. We've done it.’ I could add, if you want to get even more scared, some of our closest allies in this process -- we deal with the Germans, the French and the Brits -- they're secretly very worried, not only what Bush wants to do, but they're also worried that -- for example, the British Foreign Officer, Jack Straw, is vehemently against any military action, of course also nuclear action, and so is the Foreign Office, as I said, but nobody knows what will happen if Bush calls Blair. Blair's the wild card in this. He and Bush both have this sense, this messianic sense, I believe, about what they've done and what's needed to be done in the Middle East. I think Bush is every bit as committed into this world of rapture, as is the president.

AMY GOODMAN: Sy Hersh, you write about a meeting in Vienna between Mohamed El Baradei, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and head of the I.A.E.A., and Robert Joseph, the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control, and the relationship between El Baradei and the United States.

SEYMOUR HERSH: Well, Joseph basically was, you know, essentially just -- I heard a lot about it, because it was pretty blustery. And he just went in and basically told off the head of the -- the Nobel Prize winner and said, you know, ‘You will stop--’ The European and American complaint against El Baradei is this: they say, ‘My God, he's treating this issue as if both sides have some justification, that Iran's aspirations equal the American and European's desire not for them to go nuclear. He's treating them both as parodies. And they're not. We're right, and they're wrong, and he doesn't reflect that.’ So they think he's unfair. They think he's being too balanced, too nuanced, and that was the message that Joseph gave, basically, with a significant loss of temper, or let's put it, “intemperate” behavior, basically saying, ‘You will desist from saying anything that interferes with us. We view this as our gravest national security threat.’

I can also tell you Joseph has said the same thing in Turkey to the Turkish officials. He went there, and they also reported a very boisterous meeting. And the American ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency is a guy named Greg Schulte, who was until last summer, August of 2005, was in charge of the Situation Room in the White House, and who from 1988 to 1992 worked for -- he's a career diplomat, but worked -- a career bureaucrat. He’s not in the diplomatic service. He worked for Dick Cheney, when he was Secretary of Defense, now the Vice President, and did nuclear stuff for him. So he's very connected to the vice President. He's also quite direct and not very diplomatic in what he believes, and it’s, you know, it’s ‘They're bad guys, we're good guys,’ that sort of approach. There's no instinct.

link to listen/watch/or read transcript:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/1359254
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and be sure to read this article by Juan Cole:

Fishing for a Pretext in Iran

by Juan Cole; March 18, 2006

link: http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929

snip:"it is often alleged that since Iran harbors the desire to “destroy” Israel, it must not be allowed to have the bomb. Ahmadinejad has gone blue in the face denouncing the immorality of any mass extermination of innocent civilians, but has been unable to get a hearing in the English-language press. Moreover, the presidency is a very weak post in Iran, and the president is not commander of the armed forces and has no control over nuclear policy. Ahmadinejad’s election is not relevant to the nuclear issue, and neither is the question of whether he is, as Liz Cheney is reported to have said, “a madman.” Iran has not behaved in a militarily aggressive way since its 1979 revolution, having invaded no other countries, unlike Iraq, Israel or the U.S. Washington has nevertheless succeeded in depicting Iran as a rogue state"

In fact, the Iranian regime has gone further, calling for the Middle East to be a nuclear-weapons-free zone. On Feb. 26, Ahmadinejad said:
“We too demand that the Middle East be free of nuclear weapons; not only the Middle East, but the whole world should be free of nuclear weapons.”
Only Israel among the states of the Middle East has the bomb, and its stockpile provoked the arms race with Iraq that in some ways led to the U.S. invasion of 2003. The U.S. has also moved nukes into the Middle East at some points, either on bases in Turkey or on submarines."

link to Juan Cole's article:

http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929

link to interview with Seymour Hersh on Democracy Now:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/1359254





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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:58 PM
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 05:30 PM
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2. Thanks.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 06:29 PM
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3. kick
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 08:48 PM
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4. thanks for the kick -- this is an important interview
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 08:51 PM
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5. Cheers DC
K&R
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 09:37 PM
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6. thanks - cheers to you too
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AusGail Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 11:07 PM
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7. Have you noticed
that Bush and his buddies aren't using the term WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION when it comes to Iran. Maybe they may think it may trigger bad memories of past lies.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:10 AM
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8. hmmm. interesting thought that makes a lot of sense
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:25 PM
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9. tag for laters
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:52 PM
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10. "Is Iran Too Hot for Democrats to Handle?"
This is a Kos Diary I have up today. I would welcome anyone's participation on it, if you have an interest. Actually it's taken from parts of several DU discussions, including one from yesterday:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/13/102053/401
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:13 PM
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11. excellent post - thanks- it's time to ring ALL the alarm bells
I even recommended it over on Kos
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:28 PM
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12. Thank you. It IS time for the four alarm treatment
The Diary has rotated off of the kos front page by now, but if enough people give it a recommend it could still make the kos recommended top list, so Thank You. Ordinarily I really don't care, but I am really worried about the deafening silence about war with Iran coming from most of our "leaders", that is the ones who aren't already doing saber rattling. This has to be talked about.

Bush is using the same Meme on Iran as he did with Iraq; it is "led by a mad man", and just like in 2002 too many Democrats are nodding their heads in agreement. That's the sure way to war. Everyone knows there is no point reasoning with mad men, all you can do is take them on physically. But Iran's President, Ahmadinejad, isn't even the one in control of Iran. It's all a smoke screen pretext for war, and too many Democrats are playing into it.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:08 AM
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13. poll shows Americans divided about attacking Iran
TIMES/BLOOMBERG POLL
Doubts About Taking On Tehran
About half those polled support military action if Iran continues its nuclear activity but don't trust President Bush to make the call.
By Doyle McManus, Times Staff Writer
April 13, 2006

“WASHINGTON — Americans are divided over the prospect of U.S. military action against Iran if the government in Tehran continues to pursue nuclear technology — and a majority do not trust President Bush to make the "right decision" on that issue, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

Asked whether they would support military action if Iran continued to produce material that could be used to develop nuclear weapons, 48% of the poll's respondents, or almost half, said yes; 40% said no.

If Bush were to order military action, most respondents said they would support airstrikes against Iranian targets, and about one in four said they would support the use of American ground troops in Iran.”

Link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-iranpoll13apr13,0,7195484.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:22 AM
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14. All this talk about "fantasy land"
by Rumsfeld this past week re: war in Iraq is simply to set the pretext that the administration is seriously pursuing diplomacy. They were caught with evidence that they had decided to go to war in Iraq even as they were saying "diplomacy," and they don't want that to happen again with Iran.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:59 AM
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15. NewsMax is predicting an attack on Iran -- but they seem gleeful
I hate to quote NewsMax and my apologies to admin and the moderators if I am inadvertently breaking any rules. Obviously I am not quoting them because I value them. I'm quoting them because it shows that there are other sources of info predicting a massive bombing campaign against Iran:

"'Big George': The Coming Attack on Iran
Kenneth R. Timmerman, NewsMax.com
Friday, April 14, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney calls it the "Big George" scenario.
According to the man who helped plan the first air war against Saddam in 1991, U.S. aircraft, armed with conventional bunker-buster bombs, would be more than enough to wipe out Iran's nuclear and missile facilities, and cripple its ability to command and control its military forces.

McInerney believes that U.S. air power is so massive, precise, and stealthy, it can effectively disarm Iran with just limited assistance from covert operators on the ground whose task would be to light up enemy targets.

In his "Big George" scenario, the United States would attack 1,000 targets in Iran. Fifteen B2 stealth bombers based in the United States and another 45 F117s and F-22s based in the region would carry out the initial waves of the attack, crippling Iran's long-range radar and strategic air defenses."

link:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/13/94944.shtml?s=sp
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 06:48 PM
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17. and military prediction of quick,easy win in Iraq was SO accurate
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 06:02 PM
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:12 AM
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18. here is the latest from Juan Cole
link: http://www.juancole.com/

"Kiriyenko: Iran's Method "Unfeasible" for Fissionable Material

Here is what a nuclear official who has no interest in getting up a war on Iran says about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's claims earlier this week to have slightly enriched a small quantity of uranium:
link: http://www.kyivpost.com/bn/24251/
MOSCOW (AP): Russia's nuclear chief on Thursday said Iran is far from being capable of industrial-scale uranium enrichment, the Interfax news agency reported. Russian Federal Nuclear Energy Agency chief Sergei Kiriyenko said the enrichment facility in the Iranian city of Natanz, equipped with 164 gas centrifuges, could not produce any significant amount of enriched uranium, which can be used to fuel power plants or produce atomic weapons. "These centrifuges allow Iran to conduct laboratory uranium enrichment to a low level in insignificant amounts," Kiriyenko was quoted as saying. "The acquisition of highly enriched uranium is unfeasible today using this method."

How refreshing, a high government official who isn't LWB (lying while breathing)."

link: http://www.juancole.com/

More from Juan Coles'article:

Fishing for a Pretext in Iran

by Juan Cole; March 18, 2006

link: http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929

snip:"Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa or formal religious ruling against nuclear weapons, and President Ahmadinejad at his inauguration denounced such arms and committed Iran to remaining a nonnuclear weapons state."

snip:"Tehran denies having military labs aiming for a bomb, and in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program."

snip:"it is often alleged that since Iran harbors the desire to “destroy” Israel, it must not be allowed to have the bomb. Ahmadinejad has gone blue in the face denouncing the immorality of any mass extermination of innocent civilians, but has been unable to get a hearing in the English-language press. Moreover, the presidency is a very weak post in Iran, and the president is not commander of the armed forces and has no control over nuclear policy"

snip: "in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program. The U.S. reaction was a blustery incredulity, which is not actually an argument or proof in its own right, however good U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton is at bunching his eyebrows and glaring."
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