Mutiny? ( Also from within the CIA? )

[k-robjoe]

Not only in the army :

"What we have going on amidst the generals, present and former, is a mutiny. It's not an armed one, not yet."

http://www.buzzflash.com/index.php?story=Story2

There´s also the CIA :

"But what's been little noted thus far is what looks to be a similar revolt brewing at the CIA. An ex-senior agency officer who keeps in contact with his former peers told me that there is a "a big swing" in anti-Bush sentiment at Langley. "I've been stunned by what I'm hearing," he said. "There are people who fear that indictments and subpoenas could be coming down, and they don't want to get caught up in it." "

http://www.harpers.org/sb-cia-wehrmacht.html

[katinmn]

1. It's about f****ing time!

I have little sympathy for those that continue to cooperate in treasonous acts against America.

[havocmom]

3. Thinking some in CIA and other places mutinied long ago.

The constant barrage of scandals unfolding all over government seems to be too perfect a storm not to have been arranged. Who would have ability to gather info on so many GOP crooks and manage to get it all out there in a continual ballet of stories of corruption? Ol J. Edgar never managed anything like the exposures going on now and we know he kept up pretty good. ;)

The day Tenet stepped down and the tv talking heads made comments on the close working relationship he had with others in the agency, his dedication to his people and all that... I said the game was just getting started and Cheney was a damned fool to have played nasty with the CIA.

There really ARE people in public service who SERVE the greater good. There are thousands who serve for love of country, for dedication to the very concept of America and for the greater good of all the people. Cheney and the rest of the junta cannot even fathom such noble service. He blew it thinking he had won an arm wrestling match with them. What he didn't know was there is a chess game afoot. Chess takes longer than brute strength throwing its weight around. Chess is finesse, careful study and planning how to let your opponent beat himself with his own weaknesses.

Cheney is SO FUCKED for getting into a chess match wit da spooks.

Here's to people who understand and love America. :toast: Bless 'em, every one!

[leveymg]

7. The more I think about this Kamikaze Presidency, the clearer it becomes

that the whole lot of them -- Dick and Dubya, on down to the neocons -- expected to sacrifice themselves to further the goals of their patrons. Who are their patrons? The Chairman of the Board and Principal Stockholder has to be the Multinational energy companies: Exxon-Mobil, Chevron-Texaco, and the rest who have profited so handsomely from the environment of crisis BushCo has created.

If we are to complete the process of restoring democratic self-rule in America, the very first thing we need to do after jailing BushCo is to indict the top executives and shareholders who set these policy trains in motion -- start with Cheney energy advisory panel members, and work outwards -- the investigation should of course encompass the Halliburtons and other war-related contractors.

Seize and attach these corporate holdings as restitution to the American people, and set up a reconstruction fund for the other victims of the criminally motivated Iraq war.

[k-robjoe]

16. Big Oil

Yes, it makes you wonder.

"The top oily-gopolists, the five largest oil companies, pulled in $113 billion in profit in 2005 -- compared to a piddly $34 billion in 2002 before Operation Iraqi Liberation. In other words, it's been a good war for Big Oil."

[havocmom]

17. Yes, the political hacks are just the public face on Corporate takeover

of the country, and, I fear, the world.

[katinmn]

11. I appreciate your generous and patient nature

I hope they hurry up and mutiny before it's too late. :)

[k-robjoe]

20. More coming

"(CBS) A CIA official(*) who had a top role during the run-up to the Iraqi war charges the White House with ignoring intelligence that said there were no weapons of mass destruction or an active nuclear program in Iraq."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml

(*)( The former highest ranking CIA officer in Europe, Tyler Drumheller )

[havocmom]

21. heh heh, just enough patter to keep Cheney's heart a wee tense

Very good

[yurbud]

24. this has been a silver lining of Bush years--even some cabinet officers

turn on him and put our country ahead of personal gain.

[blm]

12. There were agents working to expose BushInc and supporting Kerry in 2003-4

and Bush went in after November and purged all those agents suspected of working with Kerry. Remember how Kerry kept pounding on Tora Bora? Too bad the media was in protect Bushboy mode - they let Tommy Franks rebut Tora Bora with lie after lie.

Now, it is known as FACT that Kerry was right about Tora Bora and Bush's failures to capture Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

That is something the corporate media won't tell the people because THEY were complicit in pushing the lie and burying the truth.

[DoYouEverWonder]

26. I know a 'retired' one

if there is such a thing. He actively supported Kerry. I asked him before the election that it seemed there was a split within the CIA and he confirmed that there most certainly was. I just hope the good guys win.

[leveymg]

2. We should thank the Joint Chiefs and the career CIA for prosecuting BushCo

They didn't have to, and it went against their revailing politics at the time, but never forget that it was the CIA and Pentagon Inspector Generals who referred the Plame and OSP-AIPAC spy cases to the Attorney General for prosecution.

Had they not done so, we would be totally screwed right now without a hope for relief.

Thank you. You did your duty. Now, make sure the criminals leave office and don't drag America into another disastrous, aggressive war.

[havocmom]

4. Some people with a lot of intel have managed the Perfect Storm

And the neocon ship is being swamped

[leveymg]

9. Can you imagine what's in all those NSA intercepts?

All the miles and miles of transcripts of criminal activity by top BushCo and GOP officials and their corporate backers?

It's truly a case of live by the sword, die by it when this Administration threw out the 4th Amendment. They should have no more expectation of privacy in their inter-office communications then we do posting at DU.

If the Generals and career intelligence people really want to clean shop, all they have to do is turn the NSA tapes over to Mr. Fitzgerald, once Fitz has proven that he's willing and able to take down the White House ringleaders.

[dusmcj]

5. neocraps have succeeded in restructuring on Nazi lines

Ever since the Old Bush tried to socially engineer us all into being Connected and Under Control, I've had the sense that there are idiots within the neocon/neolib community who are saying on a concrete level, let's pick out the good parts of the Nazi program, after all Hitler wasn't all bad and he did make the trains run on time. (Differently than Strauss and his fellow psychotics, who concluded that philosophy was the Nazi soil to till, in that the ruthlessness should be adopted, only this time for "good".)

This is disturbing confirmation in that the denizens of the heart of darkness, if you will, have been reduced to discoursing in analogies framed by the Nazi reference point, and are considering whether as they approach the Russian village, they are the ones who are merely going to torch the houses, or the ones who will line up the occupants in front of the machine gun as well. The fear of eventual courtroom activity is of course consistent with the analogic framework; I hope they notice that sometime too.

[suegeo]

6. Who'd wanna work for the Bush junta?

QUOTE
“When the shit hits the fan,” he explained, “the administration scapegoats lower-level people. It doesn't do a lot in terms of inspiring confidence.”
END QUOTE

You'd have to be dumber than a bag of hammers to work for those assholes. And, (hard to believe), you'd have to be dumber than Bush himself.

The result is we're left with a bunch of incompetent yes men, who can't find their asses with both hands.

[katinmn]

10. Exactly. Witness playing Taiwan's anthem for the PRC pres

Stupid, incompetent boobs, most of whom are former campaign workers willing to do the dirty work for the little dictator's tight little Texas circle.

Anyone with intelligence, self-respect and an ounce of integrity would refuse to work for BushCo.

[leveymg]

14. Sure that wasn't just passive-aggression?

They are mediocre boobs. Worse, they're zealous mediocre boobs.

No wonder things are so screwed up.

[katinmn]

15. could be p-a, could be witless arrogance

Like their witless leader, they believe they somehow earned their spot in the limelight and that whatever they do is correct and everyone else can just lump it. Blows me away.

[Talismom]

8. This is one of the few facts that makes me feel the least bit

hopeful these days.

[Zynx]

13. This is why presidents should be careful about what wars they pick.

If you start a war that's very unpopular with the military and the intelligence services, you risk a potential collapse of our entire system of civillian control. This sort of thing does not make me happy, but instead it frightens me because when civillian control is threatened, our whole system is then in jeopardy.

[alfredo]

18. I have been saying that bush was making a huge mistake by

messing with spooks. They are a tight bunch, they take care of each other. They're the last people you want pissed off at you. They could be behind a lot of the disclosures that have damaged bush's poll numbers.

[Bucky]

29. I've been saying it too. Problem is I've been saying it since 2003.

They were being openly fucked and hung out to dry by the Bushies for a year before Iraq--from the git go they were the fall guys on mismanagement of the 9/11 warning signs. Then the Plame business blew up in their faces, then the 9/11 Commission made them look as bad as the FBI's paper shufflers... and still they didn't rat out Bush before the election. The CIA may not be happy, but I think that Bush's people have still, somehow, got them tamed.

[alfredo]

31. That's what the firing was all about today.

[k-robjoe]

19. Horrid CIA-joke

The CIA had an opening for an assassin. After all of the background checks, interviews, and testing were done, there were three finalists, two men and a woman. For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun. "We must know that you will follow your instructions, no matter what the circumstances. Inside this room, you will find your wife sitting in a chair. Kill her!!!"
The man said, "You can't be serious. I could never shoot my wife." The agent said, "Then you're not the right man for this job."
The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was quiet for about five minutes. Then the man came out with tears in his eyes. "I tried, but I can't kill my wife." The agent said, "You don't have what it takes. Take your wife and go home."
Finally, it was the woman's turn. She was given the same instructions, to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one shot after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow, and said, "This gun is loaded with blanks. I had to beat him to death with the chair."

[Bucky]

28. I can see why it's important to have the woman as the last applicant there

If the joke involved a man killing his wife, it wouldn't be funny. Isn't that sad what that says about our society.

(But I still like the joke).

[DemInDistress]

32. that's good..I see the humor. I confess..I laughed my ass off.

the gun was loaded with blanks..I had to beat his ass to death with a chair..she'd make a good agent.

[k-robjoe]

22. One more round for fifth vote :)

[Disturbed]

23. "The day Tenet stepped down.."

It is my theory that Tenet was forced out because he balked at elevating Chalabi for leadership of Iraq. I suspect that the deal was that Tenet would not be prosecuted for lying under oath to the Congress in exchange for his silence about the phony WMD Intell that the Office of Special Plans foisted upon Powell. Tenet and Powell went along with the lies spewed at the UN and both regret doing so but now it's too late for either to regain their integrity.

[yurbud]

25. Top CIA OIL analyst spilled beans on Iraq to BBC's Greg Palast:

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2006/03/bbcs-greg-palast-iraq-war-to-cap-oil.html

[EVDebs]

27. Don't forget NSA's pre-9/11 'policy shift'

See No Evil: What Bush Didn't (Want To) Know About 9/11
TomPaine.com
Saturday, March 1, 2003
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=195&row=1

""Despite these tantalizing facts, Abdullah and his operations were A-OK with the FBI chiefs, if not their working agents. Just a dumb SNAFU? Not according to a top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity. After Bush took office, he said, "there was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off" from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off-limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations -- at least before 9/11 -- began to die.""

NSA's PRE-9/11 'POLICY SHIFT' away from OBL tow Bush's domestic 'enemies' (read US citizens exercising lawful right to dissent). BTW, the old '73 war plans of Nixon to seize Saudi oilfields were simply shifted and tweaked to 30 years later and moved to Iraq's oilfields:

[yurbud]

30. this is the big one--CIA could stop whole oil hegemony program

with what they know about 9/11 if they wanted to.

[EVDebs]

33. Palast's NSA sources are so-far 'anonymous'

If more is leaked in a whistleblowing fashion, then the whole house of cards comes down. Even the NSAers want to act legally, even if ordered otherwise by "superiors".

You can't classify the obvious, now, can you ?

I see trials the likes of QBVII coming in these CIA style in-house persecutions.

Bring it on !