Let me ask a "What IF"

[underpants]

What IF the Dems really do get one or more Houses of Congress and DON't bring impeachment or at least extensive investigation?

What IF they pull the "We don't govern in that manner" card out?

What then?

I ask because my pessimism regularly jumps up asking "How do you know they are just taking you for a ride too?". We have seen it in the Schiavo mess, the ports deal, and now in the immigration cluster with the Republicans. The base clearly states what they want which is met with nothing but himming and hawing and lots of shoe gazing so as to avoid eye contact.

How do we know that we aren't being yanked around in an endless game of bubblebee soccer (OOOOH the ball went over there!) also?

[Imagine My Surprise]

1. I have no reason to expect great change...

if the Demos regain the seats

[FrenchieCat]

2. Look...the Dems are already in the doghouse for voting on the IWR

when they were the majority in congress......

So if I were them, I'd listen to what we want....and we want impeachment, cause it is the least that we deserve considering what we've been put through based on lies!

I don't think they will have an option......

[underpants]

4. Thanks

I'm sending this to the DNC if it gets enough responses, in addition to my letter.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. We were NOT in the majority for IWR.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Yes...we were...in the Senate anyways.....

However, when Senator Jim Jeffords of Vermont announced in May 2001 that he was leaving the Republican caucus to become an independent and would caucus with the Democrats, this returned control of the body to the Democrats and Daschle again became Majority Leader.

Democratic losses in the November 2002 elections returned them to the minority in the Senate in January 2003 and Daschle reverted to being Minority Leader once again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Daschle

The IWR vote was held on 10/19/02.....the Dems lost the senate in November of 2002.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

12. Sorry, but a one-vote margin under a president with 85%+ ratings

is a minority party in my books, no matter which way you cut it.

[FrenchieCat]

16. The point is that Dems controlled the agenda....and they should have

controlled the IRW resolution that ended up passing much better.

There were 5 Resolution....yet the one that passed was Lieberman's blank check resolution.....while Levin's "come back to congress after the UN" resolution failed...as well as others.

The point is that Democrats who voted for the IWR and against the Resolutions that could have passed but didn't are very much responsible for the fact that Bush was able to wage war with a blank check.

BTW...Daschle would NOT have been Majority Leader....if the Dems were a minority.

Maybe Dems were not an overwhelming majority....but they were not a minority....regardless of your book!

We have to stick to the facts....which is what I did.

[Imagine My Surprise]

3. With the likes of Obama...

Big Business will continue to be the Official Party of the United States

[Duer 157099]

5. Because we KNOW that there are at least a few good ones

Who will buck the status quo, and with "their" party in charge, will at least be able to do something other than watch from the sidelines.

Also, there is no option but to get rid of the Repubs, regardless of what you think the Dems may or may not do.

It's not worth even thinking about.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. Unless they get both, I'd be a lot more surprised to see them try than not

When Republicans tried and failed, it backfired. Plus, both Bush and the Republicans are tanking so much as it is, I don't know why you remove the albatross from around their necks when you can't even fully do so?

I just don't see it being very smart unless we take them both.

[politicaholic]

8. President Cheney is a horrible trade off for a principal...

I think that if the Dems control the Justice committee then perhaps that can put enough pressure to discredit the WHOLE administration and have them leave the WH in disgrace.

It can defray some of the bad spin that abrupt action can unleash upon a recovering-cripple Dem party.

[Jane Austin]

10. I'm a lot more interested in a Democratic Congress rolling back some of

the more fascist laws these Republican criminals have passed.

If they can do that while an impeachment inquiry is conducted, fine; but there is a lot of incredibly destrutctive legislation they need to attend to STAT.

[Sammy Pepys]

11. I've already decided that regardless of what happens...

...the Dems aren't going to consider impeachment seriously. That's just the conclusion I've come to terms with.

[question everything]

13. This means they will show that adults are now governing the country

with so many problems - gas prices, Iraq, the continuing deficit, the shift of many baby boomers from workers who pay taxes to retirees who do not, and who increase government spending, with the continuing decay of schools and of infrastructure, with questions of where to put nuclear waste, with the corruption of "earmarking" - going after impeachment will show a mindset of kindergarten.

It will take a lot of time and resources and it will show us as a group of pouty and petty little kids who just want to humiliate Bush.

Can you imagine another Katrina while the House or the Senate is "busy" investigating Bush, or Rumsfeld?

We will lose bad in 2008 and we will deserve it. Just as we deserved losing the House in 1994 after all the corrupt leaders that we had. Our luck is that the Republicans have shown the good old saying: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[ldf]

17. IF the democrats DO win back congress and STILL do NOTHING

they WILL lose, bigtime, in 2008.

sorry, the wholesale raping of american democracy, the pissing on the constitution and bill of rights, the stealing of a presidential election, not once, but TWICE, should be an affront to every american.

it CAN NOT go unanswered.

this isn't schoolyard bully tactics we are dealing with. this is subversion of the american democratic process. treason. you want to ignore TREASON?

you should be ashamed for even suggesting such.

[Options Remain]

14. then its time we cleaned the democratic house too.

n/t

[JuniperLea]

15. With any luck at all

The Dems have whiffed the cappuccino and know that the majority of US citizens are sick and tired of being lied to and manipulated. The only allegiance the majority has now is to anyone who will bring the government back to the people where it belongs. Of, by and for the people. It has been nothing close to that for six years now.

The Bush Regime and his GOP cronies have pushed us to the limit. I can't see anyone being so patient with a Congressperson or Representative of any political affiliation from here on out.

[lwesty]

18. Don't vote for any dem that does not PROMISE

to stand for impeachment.

[annabanana]

19. I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

Right now my job is to see to it that there is at least the possibility that they'll be able to do the right thing.

If they don't I will continue to agitate.

[yurbud]

20. If Dems forgive and forget, the next GOP assault will be that much sooner

and every time, they get a little farther, and a lot nastier.

It will be a hell of a lot harder to get rid of them if the Democrats don't put a stake in this vampires heart this time.


Consider the Democrats history of turning the other cheek on this stuff:

watergate

1980 October Surprise

Iran Contra

Clinton impeachment

2000 election theft

2004 election theft

That said, I hope they don't make this mistake again.