What if we just walk into Teheran .......

[Stinky The Clown]

After we win back control of our country .... or even if Ceaser Disgustus comes to his senses (hahahahahahahahaha!) ...... here's a geopolitical question for the group .....

What if our president asked for and was granted permission to go to Teheran and speak face to face with their leader on their soil? Not to give away the farm. Not to capitulate. But to demonstrate a new-found willingness to talk.

And talk, and talk, and talk.

Two questions ..... how would this play on the world stage?

How would this play at home?

[Doctor_J]

1. That would be funny

It presupposes:

1. the Nazis who now run the country are willing to talk to the "Axis of Evil"
2. Caesar Disgustus (good one!) is capable of speaking to a foreign head of state. More likely he'll sit there picking his nose, asking if he can go to the bathroom, and wondering how long until he can go to bed.

In answer to your questions, no one i nthe world except the 2 million or so Fox viewers believe a word Il Dunce' says.

[0007]

2. President Clinton has got the chops to talk. I say yes, let's go for it!

[stevedeshazer]

3. You must hate America

You can't negotiate with a MADMAN!

Oh, wait...

Seriously, it's the best possible outcome right now to negotiate. We have little power left in the Middle East.

[Stinky The Clown]

4. ****IF***** we can hold off whateverthefuck the cabal is planning

with respect to Iran, I see talking as the very best way to go. And at this point, it should be **us** who makes the first overture. We have the biggest guns and the strongest military. No one would see us as wimps. Indeed, I think we'd be seen as quite the opposite ...... strong .... but willing to change and willing to consider and willing to negotiate. By talking, we could enlist some badly needed international support, including support in the larger middle east. Whoever, after an honest attempt at open, clear, fair, honest talking, decides to break it off would be seen by the global community as the bad guys.

[jerry611]

5. It would be a risk

Last time we had American government officials in Iran, the Ayatollahs took them hostage. So there is not much trust here on either side. There would be no way for secret service to gurantee protection. And in a country that we know has high ranking Al-Queda terrorists, you can be assured that there will be an assassination attempt. An assassination of a head of state or diplomatic official is an official act of war and a violation of international law. So it could start a war.

Such a meeting would also depend on Ahmadinejad's true intentions...and we don't know what they are.

Best way to handle Iran I think is to just slow them down. The government's stability is going to fall into question within about 10-15 years.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. I disagree

Simply because the risk of offing our leadership would turn Iran into a world-wide pariah, they'd do an even better job that Il Dunce's storm troopers could. He'd be as safe as a suckling baby.

[jerry611]

7. They will put on a show

Iran will no doubt put on a show. You think they will let us see their underground facilities that they have gone into overdrive to build? Do you think they will tell us why they have such an urgent need for nuclear fuel when they are a country that is virtually floating on oil?

The same thing happends in China. When there is a visit from another country, they make it look beautiful like it is a utopia and perfect paradise. They don't show you what's happening further down the street where police is beating someone for protesting the government or a doctor performing a forced abortion and sterilization on a pregnant woman. China knows how to hide those things very well...even hiding it from tourists.

[Stinky The Clown]

8. Uh .... you're a bit off on a tangent here ........

I asked about our leader (you know ... Bush ... or the Dem when we win in 08) going to Teheran to talk.

Sending inspectors into the mines is a whole other issue.

[jerry611]

9. I dont see it happening in the short-term

We havn't had offical relations with Iran since 1979. I doubt we will kick it off in Jan 2008 with a presidential visit. Tentions are too high. There is no trust. There would have to be a cooling off period. There would have to be some "tit for tat" diplomacy beforehand.

There is also the problem with the Israelis. Someone is going to have to keep them cooled off.

Now tying Iran up in diplomacy may be effective if it slows down their nuclear progression. Because the more time that passes by that they don't have a nuke, the more the whole situation works in our favor. In this case, the clock is on our side.

[Bridget Burke]

15. Yes, China does all that bad stuff.

But Bush isn't about to start WWIII by attacking China.

In fact, we're Bestest Buds!

[AuntiBush]

10. Depends...

If it's Bush, nothing will ever work. Not on the world's stage, nor at home.

Now, if we spread some of that democracy back here at home, maybe the world might respect us again and follow our lead.

Only, and I think only if the Democrats were given back what was stolen from them, and a Democrat Presidential group went into Tehran in the name of sincere diplomacy, then and only then would the world and US take heed.

Other then that, at this point everyone in mine, and other neck areas of the woods (except for a very, very slight few) have had it way past up to here.

P.S. Isn't the correct spelling Tehran?

[Imagevision]

11. geezzuuuss NO! - Bush is unqualified to play president, especially in

these dire times, get Condi's butt over there to talk to them, at least she is capable of using never ending useless yak and the MSM plays it up like she's accomplished something which if you've noticed simply isn't the case these days, she used to be on the board of Director with Chevron, she knows the score -- and before you know it, November will be here and her like Rove will useless because the house and/or the senate will be Dem territory and their next employers.

[cliss]

12. Yes. That would be an improvement.

Now, I agree with you that in 2008 things will be different. We might even have a brand-new party, like the Greens or the Dem-Greens or something like that.

Now we can get something done. We should send an envoy to Teheran and start diplomatic relations, right away. It would usher in a whole new era of co-operations and trust.

The rest of the world would probably welcome it....

and breathe a sigh of relief.

[unschooler]

13. Do they want our farm?

I thought they just wanted nukes.

And why was it not a crisis when madrassa-ville Pakistan and its unelected leader got nukes?

Not to give away the farm. Not to capitulate.

[AuntiBush]

14. Re-Thought Response to your Question...

It's been bugging me, my first response to your questions. So, I'm going to take a stab at it again.

Let's see, "what if our president asked for and was granted permission to go to Tehran, and speak face to face with their leader on their soil?"

That's assuming "we win back control of our country," of course, namely a Democrat control House, and/or Senate with a Dem President.

You ask, how would this play out on the world stage?

I think the answer really is simple. It would play out very well, granted if it were to happen this year, and I mean in the very near coming months. We're not loosing creditability, we've lost so much it already here and abroad I don't think anyone would consider a move as such creditable coming from the GOP much less Bush&Co.

That goes without saying...

Then you asked, "how would this play at home?" Quite simply, my best guess is that at least 7, if not 8 our 10 Americans would breathe a HUGE sign of relief. Then, we'd have the task of rebuilding out nation, both economically, politically and work on our infrastructures such as windmill and solar energy technologies that expanded to all of us. Most us can not afford solar panels on our homes, and many areas here in America do not allow for windmills. I heard Donald Trump (over the weekend) state he wouldn't have windmills anywhere near his overseas golf course - they're ugly. I flipped that station real fast when I heard that. He lost me for good there.

Well, I hope that answers your question. Everyone else, just ignore this long :rant:

[Stinky The Clown]

16. I didn't see it as a rant at all .......

... just free thinking.

I agree with you on most all of what you said.

[saltpoint]

17. It's a suggestion for a mature, thoughtful, patient, humane U.S.

president.

If only we had one.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. Yes, which is why I postulate that the idea would best be ressurrected

after our guy wins back the White House .... whoever our guy might be.

[saltpoint]

22. You're spot-on, Husb2Sparkly. The best chance is when our team

takes over again.

And we're going to do it!

[Minnesota Libra]

18. Oh, I love the "Ceaser Disgustus"!!! I truly wish you would all..........

....warn us that we need to put down the coffee cup before reading a given post.:rofl: I almost spit coffee all over my monitor.:blush:

BTW, can I borrow/steal that "Ceaser Disgustus"???? That's the best one I've heard yet and it encompasses all it's faults.

[ShortnFiery]

19. I agree ML - Ceaser Disgustus - that's a keeper! :P eom

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Use it with my compliments. It is the creation of a deviously bent mind

and a sleepless night