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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:12 AM
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"There's nothing we can do about high gas prices"
Gas prices (all energy prices, actually) represent a potentially catastrophic hit to virtually very part of our society and our economy.

I should think that, in the interest of 'protecting the homeland' something **could** be done.

Like emergency price controls. Nixon did it.

How about a limit on allowable corporate profits. What Exxon is doing is quite simply ... obscene.

How about a tax cut that matters .... Federal gas taxes.

Lots of others things, too, I'm sure.

The statement that there's little they can do is just pure bullshit.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:13 AM
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1. It should read
There's nothing we WANT to do about high gas prices.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:13 AM
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2. I'd like to storm the Bastille, quite frankly--you know they would
have by now if a dem was in office!
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:15 AM
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3. We could stop threatening to nuke Iran
Speculation of impending war is driving up price of crude.

We could have a DOJ that actually investigates illegal price fixing.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:15 AM
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4. Well, everybody in the country could stop going to work
claiming they are outta gas and unable to come up with the bankrolls to fill the tank.

Guess there aren't enough folks who remember the power of general strikes.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:16 AM
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5. This reads like a fairy tale.........or an election year gimme.
<snip> Also Sunday, OPEC President Edmund Maduabebe Daukoru predicted that oil prices would fall from their current high of just over $75 a barrel to stabilize in the "upper fifties to lower sixties."

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060424/D8H64I480.html
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:21 AM
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6. Windfall profits tax on oil companies. That's where the problem is.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:24 AM
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7. open the SPR
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:25 AM
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8. Nixon's wage and price
controls were a disaster. We for sure do not want to go there.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:31 AM
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10. a windfall profts tax might work though
Edited on Mon Apr-24-06 11:25 AM by DBoon
if there is a penalty come tax time for massive price increases, there is less icnentive to hike prices dramatically.

This would help moderate dramatic market fluctations and even out prices in the long term

We may well have reached "peak oil" and higher prices are inevitable, but sudden, dramatic increases are economically ruinous, not just to individuals but also to industries that depend on oil and gas.

A more gradual increase, if justified by supply and demand, would at least allow for long term planning to accomodate more expensive oil
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:11 AM
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13. A windfall profits tax
would accomplish absolutely nothing. NOTHING!!!! It very possibly would make things worse.

When I was a small child my mother would preach to me that the world owes me nothing, absolutely nothing. Just because someone has more than me, they owe me nothing. Not the government. Not the rich. That would also apply to the oil companies. She said you are going to have to go out in the world and earn your way. Nobody is going to give you anything you so if you want something you are going to have to work hard to earn it.

Was my mother wrong? Now that I am older, I think about it a lot and you know...she was right. Nobody owes me anything.

I have no oil company stock or any other interest in oil companies but I am glad that when I need gas somebody had the foresight to invest in the oil and gas business to provide me with it.

Flame me if you wish but this is the hard cold truth.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:22 AM
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14. Your reply is irrelevant to the issue
I hope you enjoy your brief stay here.

Perhaps you will find another blog where you can post more of your mother's stories
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:58 AM
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16. You did not answer my question
What would a windfall profits tax accomplish? It would not change world markets. It would not change the gasoline markets here in the U.S..

I see nothing that it would accomplish except add a very small amount of money to the government coffers. With the size of the government revenues it would be a very minute amount of money. And what would the government do with the small amount of money?

I doubt that they would find more oil, build more refineries, or come up with alternative sources of energy. They would probably use it for more pork barrel projects that we do not need or for the most part want to buy votes for some legislator in his district.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 12:11 PM
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19. I'll answer your question about what a windfall tax would do ....
First off, don't put it in the general fund. Earmark it **specifically** for alternative energy research. You know ... that research that will put the fucking oil robber barons out of business eventually.

Profits and prices will drop like a stone.

It just takes some balls ... and a Democratic congress.
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Texifornia Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:42 AM
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15. I hear you, Jayhawk
...and I agree to an extent. I even work with the O & G industry.

This, I think may be a special case. Something like the special case of the Homestead Act in reverse. With immense government help, petroleum has become the overwhelmingly dominant energy source for the world. It has been favored with public lands, special tax breaks and outright subsidies for decades.

Now, the peak is in sight (whether just ahead or in the rear-view I leave to other discussions) and oil companies will see their prices rise geometrically while their costs stay around the same. The oil companies do not fix the price of oil, they couldn't do so if they wanted to, but they have benefitted from feeding at the public trough and that public investment may need to be paid off.

This is not a "cut and dried" issue. Windfall profits taxes could backfire if not drafted correctly, but there is justification for its consideration.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 12:07 PM
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18. Maybe nobody 'owes' anyone anything
it's a valid philosophic topic. Let's take a look at it...

Do you and I owe energy companies free use of our property? This administration is nearly giving away public lands to energy and mining companies.

Do you and I owe them a portion of our paycheck? With the tax breaks that the GOP has given to the oil industry that's what it's amounted to. Never mind a windfall tax, let's start by ending the breaks they'll already be given.

And what about the nearly 2400 killed and the 17,000+ injured in Iraq? Did they own it to the oil companies to help secure a source for oil?

Maybe everyman for himself works for you, but personally i like this a bit better:
"The race of mankind would perish did they cease to aid each other. We cannot exist without mutual help. All therefore that need aid have a right to ask it from their fellow-men; and no one who has the power of granting can refuse it without guilt."
-Sir Walter Scott
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BlackHeart Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:28 AM
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9. A reduction in gas taxes is not the answer
if anything they should be higher to discourage gasoline useage and to help pay for the deficit.
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:00 AM
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12. You are correct my friend!
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 12:00 PM
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17. Yeah, screw the people with no alternatives
Especially the poor. Fuck 'em! More regressive taxes!
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 12:18 PM
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20. Higher taxes do not discourage gasoline use
Not to the levels required. All it really does is punish the consumer for the failures of the government to provide alternatives.

Look at the UK. They've had ever-increasing petrol duty for years with the intent to curb usage; the total tax makes up roughly two-thirds of what Brits pay at the pump. And they pay roughly $6-7/gallon as it is. It hasn't deterred them from buying cars and using them because most don't have any viable alternative in the form of public transportation.

Fuel tax is a regressive tax. If you want to further destroy the ability of people to survive in the economic here and now, it's a great idea. Otherwise it's just a boon to the government -- and this particular administration has a nasty habit of reallocating extra taxes to things like wars.
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:45 AM
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11. Gas prices were never this high under Democratic rule
For lower gas prices vote Democratic.
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