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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:40 PM
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The DLC is meeting to form the agenda....should we send them our ideas?
Disclaimer: this is not a criticism. It is an idea, that maybe we can contribute our ideas to them. I repeat, I am not being critical except to say we haven't had input.

The DLC is having a meeting in Denver in July. They are going to set the party policy, they say. I will post a reply to this post to show how much of the policy is already done, or has been done for several years. The Democratic Leadership Council is a think tank for setting policy and putting forth ideas. This is not to be confused with the DLCC, the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee...which concerns itself with state elections and more local campaigns. They are not part of the party itself, just a place for ideas to be turned into policy.

I wonder if they would be open to the grassroots if we sent or took or asked to present our ideas to them about what WE would like to see party policy become. I don't think Howard Dean was invited to their last meeting, though he was a member when he was governor.

So I just wondered what would happen if we contacted them with our own ideas. The DNC does not mind when we do that....they are encouraging us to become a part of a new experiment....a party built with smaller donors and not so dependent on big ones.

I don't belong to the DLC. I donate to the DNC and support it again since Dean took the chairmanship and started getting the grassroots involved again. The blog is usually read, stuff passed on, and quite often there is a response.

The DLC has pretty much freely been setting the policy for years now. Several of their beliefs, like the Iraq war being a good thing, the bankruptcy bill being good, their views on partial or total privatization of government services, their support for school vouchers with public school money...there are among the things I question.

http://www.dlc.org/

They are announcing their July meeting in Denver, and Al From expressly states they are forming the agenda.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=84&contentid=253834

"The New Democrat movement they represent is a values and idea based political movement. It is the reform movement in the Democratic Party. New Democrats are reformers and modernizers. We honor the first principles and most cherished values of the Democratic Party by offering new ideas and modern means for furthering them."

"Security, opportunity, responsibility, community -- those are the values of the DLC and the New Democrat movement and that will guide our discussions here in Denver. We believe that this 2006 National Conversation comes at a critical time for our party and our country. America is in need of visionary leadership -- and we intend to show here that the Democratic Party will supply it."

"That's why in the weeks and months ahead -- leading up to the fall election and reaching beyond it -- the DLC will offer a governing agenda for Democrats -- an agenda that will be at the center of our discussions here in Denver."


They started doing this in 88, and they have controlled the agenda pretty well. The only problem is that we are not in power, we are out of power in all areas of congress. So, maybe our ideas might be better in a lot of ways.

Do you think they want our ideas, the ideas from the grassroots? Maybe we could formulate them and ask to present them. I already a post partly made up of the agenda they have in place already, some I like, some I resent. And we had no input into it that I know.

Here is the page that lists the official groups in the Democratic Party. The others have their place, and since there is not one that lists...policy...I guess they can do it.

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/ourorganization.html

Our Organization
The Democratic National Committee
The Democratic National Committee plans the Party's quadrennial presidential nominating convention; promotes the election of Party candidates with both technical and financial support; and works with national, state, and local party organizations, elected officials, candidates, and constituencies to respond to the needs and views of the Democratic electorate and the nation.
http://www.democrats.org/

The Democratic Governors' Association
The Democratic Governors’ Association was founded in 1983 to support the candidacy of Democratic governors throughout the nation. The DGA provides political and strategic assistance to gubernatorial campaigns. In addition, the DGA plays an integral role in developing positions on key state and federal issues that affect the states through the governors’ policy forum series.
http://www.democraticgovernors.org/

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
The purpose of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is to elect more Democrats to the United States Senate. From grass-roots organizing to candidate recruitment to providing campaign funds for tight races, the DSCC is working hard all year, every year to increase the number of Democratic Senators. http://www.dscc.org/

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee serves as the official national Democratic campaign committee charged with recruiting, assisting, funding, and electing Democrats to the U. S. House of Representatives. We provide services ranging from designing and helping execute field operations, to polling, creating radio and television commercials, fundraising, communications, and management consulting.
http://www.dccc.org/

The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee
The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee provides strategic services and financial assistance to Democratic leaders and candidates at the state legislative level. For nearly a decade, DLCC has been an integral part of the continued success Democrats have had winning at the state legislative level.
http://www.dlcc.org/

State Democratic Parties
The State Democratic Parties work to elect local, state, and federal candidates in their states, as well as supporting the state campaign for the Democratic presidential nominee.
http://www.democrats.org/local.html


So do you think they would be open to our ideas? After all, Hillary who is one of their main leaders, is in charge of the American Dream Initiative....where she was to travel, get ideas, and compile an agenda.

Maybe we could figure out how to add to that agenda the things we care about.






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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:47 PM
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1. Uhm Senator Clinton shouldn't be on the 08 ticket.
I think that she's a good senator but she's a senator with a long voting trail that can be picked apart by the rethugs. Also I don't think that she can crack the south. Please DLC don't push Senator Clinton on us.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:48 PM
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2. Here's the agenda they have already set...a followup.
A follow-up to my first post...trying to show how much of the party's agenda is already set and has been. It is important because the forum is filled with angry people saying where is the plan. So I am showing that the plan is basically done, hope we get input this time.

The agenda was set a long time ago late 80s and early 90s. It continues to be set, but not by the DNC itself. Dean is trying to get more people elected at state and local levels, and build from a strength that does not depend on these strategists. It takes a different money base, smaller donors...thus the Democracy Bonds.

The people who are yelling that the party does not stand for anything...well, yes, it does. The agenda is set. The agenda was set a long time ago in the late 80s and early 90s. It continues to be set, but not by the DNC itself. If we don't like some of it we have to change it by getting involved.

The DNC is building up the start parties and helping get candidates elected below federal level. Why? One word...redistricting. We won't win much if we don't have that redistricting, and if we don't have local wins.

The DSCC and DCCC are gathering money for the candidates of the House and the Senate. That is their job. In fact since Governor Dean had a record breaking year, they want some of his money.....and he is trying to stick with his own plans.

So the policy setters are free to set policy, just as they have for years. Howard Dean was explicitly told from the beginning..."hands off the policy." He slips something in now and then, but they are setting it. Who are they? The think tanks. I won't call them left wing think tanks, because they are not.

We are mostly in Iraq because of this group's policy, the Democratic Leadership Council. I don't believe Bush had his congressional majority in October 2002 when the IWR vote was taken. The DLC, a think tank, approved of this war strongly. Here is a column from the editors there in 2003.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251490&kaid=124&subid=158

The administration's multiple diplomatic blunders in the run-up to the war naturally undermine confidence in its ability to win the peaceful struggle for democracy in Iraq that must follow victory in war. Worse yet, it's already clear that Republicans will use the war to distract attention from the administration's manifold domestic policy failures.

But Democrats must overcome both their own and the opposition's partisan instincts, and act in the national interest. The president's decision to prosecute this war without explicit authorization from the United Nations was a close call, but it was the right call.


Well, actually it was not the right call, but we the people of the party had no choice. The Democrats helped give Bush his Iraq war with the DLC leading the way.

NDN is the New Democrats Network, led by Simon Rosenberg. Recently they announced their Hispanic Strategy Center, and they are setting the policy on that apparently. Rosenberg helped found the DLC and in his own words it was to free the Democrats from depending on traditional interest groups.
http://www.ndn.org/hispanic/

It is not so much is the Hispanic strategy good or bad....not my point. My point is they have the strategy all set up, and they just announced they are in charge of it.

Remember the words tough and smart that permeate the national security project? Dean used those words Saturday in New Orleans to reply about other issues. Nothing wrong with that, they are good words. Here is where they came from. It is the group started by the Clintons, and the Blairs, and Germany's Schroeder. Some good ideas, but some I don't care for. A think tank.
http://www.third-way.com/

Take a look at these two strategies for a start...on the right of the page.

Message Memo
Tough and Smart: A Winning National Security Strategy
http://www.third-way.com/products/31

Message Memo
Tough, Fair, and Practical on Immigration
http://www.third-way.com/products/30
I have not compared this one with the NDN strategy.

What's more, they are also setting the agenda on Abortion. They are after the "Abortion Greys". They are not at all concerned about the majority of women in the party who believe it is our right to choose.
http://dispatch.third-way.com/articles/2006/04/18/abortion-reduction-the-new-common-ground

It is called Abortion Reduction, the New Common Ground. There is a lot here that is fine with me, but I believe they use the Democrats for Life model. Many Democrats exclude the use of the morning after pill to avoid conflict. That is wrong for them to do that. I believe the goal is to reduce abortions as much as possible. The DFLA goal was the 95/10 initiative, I believe. Cut back abortions by 95% in 10 years. They gave their presentation at the DNC.

And the DLC started setting policy on Social Security and other social programs back in 1998 and before. Here is one paragraph from 1998:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=1455&kaid=127&subid=173

"The Skeptical Generations do not reject government; they object to inflexible bureaucracies that move too slowly, limit choices, and resist sensible innovations in areas such as welfare, education and criminal justice. That is why, for example, charter schools - a new form of public school not controlled and run by the central school bureaucracies - are spreading. It is why New Democrats have proposed converting federal training and social programs into vouchers, so that citizens can make choices formerly delegated to so-called experts. And it is why many Democrats are talking about modernizing Social Security to include individual savings accounts."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=728&kaid=111&subid=141
Here's your plan for the Medicare programs, including ideas about the drug plan...from 1998. John Breaux was one of the authors of this.

"Senator Breaux's proposal aims squarely at the political center, and it follows the "third way" principle of achieving public goals through market means. While it would harness competitive forces to restrain health care costs, it does not go as far as a voucher system that would leave seniors without an entitlement to basic coverage, as Republicans proposed in 1995. It also challenges the assumption of many Democrats that a tax increase is the only appropriate solution to Medicare's fiscal problems. The Breaux plan would help ensure that the baby boomer generation does not take more out of Medicare than it adds to it. "

And of course the plan by the DLC for privatizing Social Security, though people still deny that is what they advocate.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=695&kaid=131&subid=207

"One of the major reasons the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) has supported a two-tiered or partial privatization approach (one that maintains a government-provided retirement "safety net" while moving towards private savings accounts for individual pensions) to Social Security reform is to give the poor a means for accumulating income-producing wealth for retirement. In the past, we have praised the Moynihan-Kerrey proposal to carve out a portion of the Social Security payroll tax to seed private accounts, in part because that may be the only way to get low-income families onto the savings ladder. "

I could go on, but this will be enough. This is Bob Rubin's economic plan through the Brookings' Institute. It marginalizes teachers' unions, supports vouchers, decries Democrats who oppose foreign ownership of our infrastructure. Here is an article about it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/18/AR2006041801176.html

"Unfortunately, some of Hamilton's disdain for democracy seeps into their statement as well. The problem of "entitlement imbalances is so large," they fret, "that the regular political process seems unlikely to produce a solution," so they recommend a bipartisan "special process" insulated from popular pressures. They also place such traditional Republican boogeymen as teachers unions on the list of problems that need to be solved. On the other hand, their list of national problems includes nothing about a corporate and financial culture that richly and reflexively rewards executives who offshore work to cheaper climes and deny their American employees the right to join unions.

Indeed, much of their statement amounts to whistling by the globalization graveyard.The authors place great stress on improving American education -- a commendable and unexceptionable goal, but one that may do little to retard the export of our jobs since, as they acknowledge, it's increasingly the knowledge jobs that are going to India and even China. But then, Rubin was the guy who promoted both NAFTA and unfettered trade with China. In a sense, the Hamilton Project can be seen as Rubin's sincere but inadequate attempt to grapple with the consequences of the policies he championed. Like the side agreements to NAFTA, which were advertised as protecting worker rights and environmental standards but which in fact did neither, the Hamilton Project comes up short on genuine solutions. There's nothing in the statement about raising the minimum wage or mandating a living wage; the word "unions" is nowhere to be found, though unionizing our non-offshorable service sector jobs is the surest way to restore the broader prosperity for which Rubin and his co-authors pine."


People are always asking "where's the policy?" Well, the policy is already set, the agenda is done. We can either accept it or try to change it by building a new party base that is not so dependent on this bunch who is setting the agenda for the benefit of corporations.
The agenda is set. About all we can do is get involved to try and change it if we don't like it.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:50 PM
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3. Sincere effort - waste of time
The DLC already knows what real Democrats, progressives and independents care about. Wages, national health plan, out of Iraq, jobs, corporate restraint, etc.

Their mission is to silence the labor-oriented voices within the Democratic party. Period.

They won't listen.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:53 PM
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6. We could try.
Of course it is a dream idea, but they are calling their policy plan The American Dream Initiative. We have our dreams as well. We could present our ideas to them.

I have phoned there before, we could email or present at the meeting.

I said they would present the plan while the rest are organizing. Sounds simple that way, but I have not been happy with many of their centrist ideas.

We could try.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:57 PM
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8. True enough. You could call it **The Get A Clue Initiative**
:D
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:08 AM
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11. LOL
Good one.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:51 PM
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4. It will be an interesting dynamic between DNC-DLC
seeing as there is no love lost between Howard Dean and Al From/Bruce Reed.

You can bet the DLC perspective will be a conservative one judged against prevailing DU attitudes. I don't see them helping the party at all, especially since they've arrogantly annointed themselves the "New Democrat movement". It can't hurt to make our voices heard, but hearing ain't listening.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:52 PM
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5. Honestly, I don't think the grassroots is on their radar
except in a negative context. Howard Dean has said that they represent a particular conservative viewpoint within the party, but they are most assuredly NOT setting policy.

They have money, and that used to mean access in DC. And it used to mean issue ads to drive their view into mainstream thought.

That is where they go wrong. Their strong overriding belief that money is the political lever, while not incorrect, causes them to accept money from MANY questionable sources, among them the Olin , Coors, and Bradley foundations.

That being said, no one except us seems to have noticed the power base isn't inside the beltway any more.

It lies among several groups, distributed in various entities but together referred to as The Grass Roots.

Let them have their little conclave, let them spend their dollars trying to spread an ineffectual message with no real core.
What matters is who has the wheel of the bus known as the DNC, and right now, that man is Howard Dean, who knows the true power of a party lies in its people, not in its think tanks.





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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:56 PM
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7. But Capn, they already got some of their plans incorporated.
The Abortion Greys? Their idea. Dean is hearing from many of us about that wishy washy crap on women's rights.

The Security Plan...already in.

We just don't know how many others in the party agenda already.

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:57 PM
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9. Yes..but does it play outside the beltway?
the answer is no.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:08 AM
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10. If we are going to be voting for their Democrats...
they should be listening to us. I think they are starting to do so, but not enough.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:08 AM
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12. If the DLC keeps this crap up, they'll be right in front of the Repugs on
the road to lunacy.

The Repugs at least have some base. The DLC has none .... apart from those not paying attention. If you want to be a conservative Dem, that's fine. but be a DEMOCRAT. These guys are just confusing .... and confused.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:14 AM
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13. We should make lists and send it to the leaders. Pic and link.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137



From left to right: U.S. Sen. Tom Carper is vice chair of the DLC; U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is chair of the DLC's American Dream Initiative; Al From is founder and CEO of the DLC; Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack is chair of the DLC; (Not pictured: Bruce Reed is DLC president; Pennsylvania State Representative Jennifer Mann is chair of the DLC's State Legislative Advisory Board (SLAB); Columbus (OH) Mayor Michael Coleman is chair of the DLC's Local Elected Officials Network(LEON).)
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 04:40 AM
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19. I don't have a problem with any one of them ...... individually .....
.... they vote as they vote, stand as they stand, and get elected in their home states. My liberal, blue state, east coast views have little to do with what it takes for, say, Tom Vilsack to get elected in his 'heartland' much more conservative state.

My issue is with the idea of a whole organization using a name all too similar to that of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY for what is, for all the world, the old timey Republican party.

If that matters more than being a real Democrat, then maybe **they** need to be a third party.

As individuals, I might well vote for any one of them. But as a minicabal ..... not so much.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:37 AM
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14. They should have listened to DU a LONG TIME AGO!!
We've been shouting and saying the truth for a very long time. Do we have to keep repeating the same warnings over and over about BushCo???

Well I guess we do and I hope this time they will finally hear it.
We could pull up some postings, complete with links and stats, from the last elections and force it in their faces, saying WE TOLD YOU SO!..perhaps maybe, just maybe someone in this group will get a clue..DU has been giving them the "heads up" on political situations, critical to the welfare of our Nation for a very long time.

Think this time they'll hear us?
Can we send a few of our best and brightest to enlighten them?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:40 AM
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15. That is sort of what I mean. There is power in numbers.
I doubt they read or care about blogs, really. Or Forums. We need to send or take them stuff....or those in the area might request to present some ideas.

If they are setting the agenda, they need our input. :evilgrin:
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:01 AM
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17. Agreed. How do we get our people in the door?
Invitation only? Storm the barracades?
Maybe we should simply ask and prepare to present an armsful of info, ideas, documents, links and proof. We definately represent the voice of The People, afterall. So can the people finally have something to say in this next electorial go around?
Who should we send? Perhaps a team of four or five..
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:59 AM
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16. who cares what you think? nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:46 PM
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27. I care what the OP thinks and
so do a lot of others. You're being rude and callow.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:55 AM
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18. Having interviewed Al From, and having done some research
on the DLC, I will tell you NOT to waste your breath. They do not care what you think. The party platform is best formed through the states.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:47 PM
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28. Agree, ignore the DLC - make them irrelevant
Let your own Dem leaders from your states know that you don't want the DLC involved in Dem policy decisions.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:51 PM
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30. That won't work in many states. Ignore the DLC at our peril.
We can't stop them from setting policy. Look at the power Dems involved. But we could start dialoguing with them in a way they could not ignore.

But we won't.

Many of us are already working on this at state level.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:54 PM
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31. I appreciate your effort
I just don't think you're ever going to change them. They're funded by corporations, they're going to adhere to a corporate agenda.

OTOH - Grassroots Dems do control a lot of money. We should also focus on exerting our own power within the party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:04 PM
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34. They need to hear from us.
No matter whether it will change anything. I remember the first time I called the DLC/PPI offices. They had one secretary for the building, they all share office space. She was absolutely stunned that anyone disagreed with them. She was nice and interesting to talk to.

She was in a a bubble. She thought all their ideas were just great, never had a clue that people disagreed.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 06:34 AM
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20. I would suggest to the DLC to disband and join the
Democratic party.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:01 AM
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21. Oh, I think it's a great idea.
Since they clearly are in need of good ideas.
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Aaaargh Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:20 AM
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22. Emanuel & Reed's 'Contract on America' due out this summer
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 08:23 AM by Aaaargh
- from 'Seeking a Plan, Democrats Play by the Books
Defining Missions and Coveting Congressional Gains, Veterans Put Their Proposals Into Print'
By Jackie Calmes, The Wall Street Journal | Article | March 26, 2006


"The Plan," as it happens, is the title of a book by Clinton White House veterans Rahm Emanuel, now a congressman from Illinois, and Bruce Reed, president of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. The authors promise "specific ideas" for universal health coverage and college education, and initiatives on retirement security and national security, energy, tax overhaul and deficit reduction. Their work is due out from PublicAffairs Books by Labor Day -- just as the midterm-election campaigns heat up."

-snip-

"In an interview, they say "The Plan" is no "Contract with America," nor is it "Putting People First," the agenda-setting book of the 1992 Clinton campaign that Mr. Reed helped to write. There are parallels. For one, they reprise Mr. Clinton's unrealized goal of universal health coverage, though not his big-government approach.

But generally, the authors say, the book is meant to reflect Democrats' awareness of changes since they were in power during the 1990s, and their grasp of the "dual challenges" posed by post-9/11 security concerns and global competition.

"Everything we counted on in the last century -- from pensions to health care -- is fraying and slipping away and so is the social fabric," Mr. Reed says. But in the book, he and Mr. Emanuel write that "instead of mourning old arrangements, we should make new ones."
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253805&kaid=85&subid=65

Every indication is that this 'Plan' will include these bedrock DLC positions: support for the continuation of the Iraq mission and the aggressive pursuit of related neocon war-making misadventures; and for the gutting/privatization of government programs that benefit ordinary Americans, including entitlement programs, in the name of remaining 'competitive' in face of our exciting new era of 'The New Economy' and 'globalization.'

As we all know, the electoral advantages enjoyed by Democratic candidates today rests largely on disillusionment over the quagmire in Iraq, and opposition to Bush's privatization plan for Social Security. If Democratic candidates pointedly follow the DLC line on these issues, they'll lose much of that advantage.

Though the authors of 'The Plan' are depicted in this article as saying that this book ISN'T being pitched as an equivalent of Gingrich & Co's 'Contract with America' in '94, it's clear that that's precisely their intention - they're even saving it up to be launched at the same point in the campaign as 'the 'Contract' was.

If the book was authored only by Bruce Reed or some other DLC honcho, it probably could be ignored by Democratic candidates, but since Rahm Emanuel, head of the DCCC, has chosen to get in bed with them, it may draw enough attention that many Dems will find it necessary to repudiate the proposals within it. If that happens in a big enough way, it MAY be a good thing, because it could knock the DLCers off their Beltway perch - but without unambiguous repudiation, the book could be used by the corporate media to portray Democrats as double-talking hypocrites who don't represent a real alternative to the Bush/Republican agenda.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:20 AM
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23. Like they'd give a rat's ass what we think!
Get a grip. We are not a multi billion dollar corporation with a bottom line to feed their quest for power (not even if we are lumped together), so we matter nought to these people.

TC
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:34 AM
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24. I hate the words "get a grip." They have the money, we are the voters.
I posted a good summary. I fully realize they don't care, but we could make them care if we cared enough to do so.

This is also posted so that people can not yell there is no plan. Yes, there is a plan, and we are not included in making it if they have their way.

When people tell other people to "get a grip", it makes it sound as though they are off their meds or something.

I tried to post this so I would not be attacked so quickly and could get some points across.

However, we could make them listen if we were not so busy worrying about 08.

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:55 AM
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25. I respectfully suggest
a full on blog assault. You know how it's done. See you at Kos.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:33 PM
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26. Can you imagine their reaction if we wrote or called in vast numbers?
They don't think they need to consider our views. Yet I see the reaction here is that it won't matter at all, they won't listen. They don't want to listen, but we could make it hard for them not to pay attention.

If I contact them I will concentrate on their going after the Abortion Grays, instead of playing to their base.

http://dispatch.third-way.com/articles/2006/04/18/abortion-reduction-the-new-common-ground

Abortion Reduction: The New Common GroundPosted by Rachel Laser, Director of The Culture Project 9 days ago

"Pro-life Democratic Leader Harry Reid and pro-choice Senator Hillary Clinton published an editorial today on their Prevention First Act. It’s a good editorial and a good bill. Why? Because it’s a seminal part of an initiative to reduce the number of abortions in America.

The Prevention First Act addresses the circumstances that lead to the majority of abortions – unintended pregnancies. The bill would, among its many initiatives, fund grants to prevent teen pregnancy, ensure that sex education teaches medically accurate information about contraception and make it easier for states to cover more low-income people’s family planning needs.

Just as important as these policies, however, is the way the bill is messaged. To win the battle of reasonableness on the abortion issue, progressives must talk about this bill in the way we suggest in our Message Memo Winning the Abortion Grays, and as Senators Reid and Clinton do in their editorial – as part of an effort to reduce the number of abortions in America. If the new metric in abortion politics is abortion reduction, then progressives have a new and sharp tool to use against social conservatives – they are hypocrites who oppose policies that prevent unplanned pregnancies from occurring in the first place. They want to reduce abortion only by banning it and imprisoning women and doctors.

With abortion reduction as the goal, progressives can position themselves as those who are finding common ground and effective measures to reduce the number of abortions, while protecting personal liberties. Our plan has two sets of policies: preventing unintended pregnancies (like Prevention First does), but also supporting pregnant women who have decided to continue their pregnancies and new parents. The policy goals are ambitious but worthy, and the message – reducing abortions while protecting personal liberties – is vital to winning the abortion grays."

And many of us will continue to dog Howard Dean on his going along with this.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:48 PM
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29. You know....
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 12:49 PM by Totally Committed
You do this to yourself. You hijack your own threads. "Get a grip" is a phrase. Words. I would love to discuss the subject of your OP, but you cherry-picked that one phrase out of my response and now I don't know whether to respond to THAT or the subject of the OP, so now, I can ignore you and look insensitive myself, or address your "off your meds" concern and the thread becomes about you. Again.

So, let me be clear... I did not attack you. You got a lot of points across. I heard you. I don't agree we can make them listen. Not for one second. They have an agenda and a slate of their own candidates to push. They want us to take our eyes off '08 so they can saddle us with another of their pathetic no-nad loser candidates. I refuse to chase the pipedream of a united Democratic Party that includes the DLC. They need to be driven out or disbanded. I will not take my eye off the ball again. This next election is too important.

TC
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:02 PM
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33. We are basically saying the same thing.
You are carrying over preconceptions, otherwise you would see it. I don't know what else to say.

As to hijacking my own thread. That is an odd accusation. You post an insult, tell me it is not an insult (yes, it is)...and then you say I hijacked.

There are so many ways....
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:59 PM
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32. "Close your doors, you are no longer needed"
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:34 PM
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35. Item #1. Dismantle themselves
No really, it's a funny suggestion. Have you noticed that they don't give a flying fuck what Americans want?
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