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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:42 PM
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Why I'm supporting Dennis Kucinich, OR...
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 03:12 PM by IrateCitizen
The Spirit of Fighting Bob is Alive and Well
by Christopher Harrison

Just under 83 years ago, an incumbent Senator from the Midwest embarked on his re-election campaign. Although previously popular, this Senator’s political career was seen as all but finished due to his outspoken opposition to US entry into World War I – and his subsequent defense of many who were imprisoned due to their activism against it. Political rivals and even Federal Judges across the country had repeatedly called him a traitor to his country. His advisors told him that, in order to secure his re-election, he would have to backpedal on all of these stances. Moderation, they told him, was the key to holding on to his political career.

Well, this Senator, a Wisconsin Republican named Robert Marion (“Fighting Bob”) LaFollette, had never been much of a fan of “moderation.” Instead, he took to the podium and upon going through the standard formalities at the beginning of the speech, raised his fist in the air and pounded it down on the lectern. In a thundering voice he declared, “I am going to be a candidate for reelection to the United States Senate.” Raising that defiant fist into the air, he continued, “I do not want the vote of a single citizen under any misapprehension of where I stand: I would not change my record on the war for that of any man, living or dead.”

After sitting for a few moments in stunned silence, the crowd erupted in a standing ovation. Even a long-time political enemy of LaFollette was seen at the back of the hall with tears in his eyes, remarking to a bystander, "I hate the son-of-a-bitch. But my God, what guts he's got!"

LaFollette went on to win re-election to the Senate in 1922 by an overwhelming margin. He proved that courage and conviction – not moderation and backpedaling – was the way to really make a difference. However, he saw his work then as being far from complete.

In 1924, he brought together a never-before seen coalition of socialists, farmers, African-Americans and organized labor under the banner of his Progressive Party campaign for President. He ran on what was considered by many to be a radical platform: government takeover of the railroads, elimination of private utilities, easier credit for farmers, the outlawing of child labor, the right of workers to organize unions, increased protection of civil liberties, an end to U.S. imperialism in Latin America, and a plebiscite before any President could again lead the nation into war.

Although he didn’t win, he did manage to capture a significant tally of five million votes – and it could be said that his campaign helped to lay the groundwork for FDR’s eventual victory in 1932 and the emergence of the New Deal.

LaFollette was obviously not a believer in moderation. His message, however, was hard to paint as radical. Everything he fought for during his political career came down to one simple belief: America can never live up to its values so long as militarism and corporate power warp our democracy.

Looking back upon history through this lens, I am forced to always ask when I think of LaFollette’s candidacy, ‘What if?’ What if enough people across the country had been able to see through the mindless jingoism, militarism and emerging commercialism and instead embrace this steadfast commitment to the ideals upon which the country was supposedly founded?

Making a fast-forward to the present, I am confronted with the same feeling when I look at the Presidential candidacy of Dennis Kucinich. Here is a man who has based his entire life on fighting the very forces of corporate power and militarism so despised by “Fighting Bob” LaFollette – a man who literally sacrificed a promising political career in the 1970’s in order to stand up to these forces. Here is a man who has made it the centerpiece of his entire political life to stand up to these forces and communicate to people that there is a better way out there, a way that will enable us to live according to America’s true values and ideals.

And yet, he is somehow dismissed as a ‘radical’, or at least as ‘unelectable’.

To those who see him as such, I would ask you several questions. Do you enjoy the neverending cycle of militarism and war that has plagued our country? Do you gain fulfillment from increasing corporate control over everything you see, read and hear? Do you believe that ‘freedom’ is a word that can be summed up solely in what consumer goods you are able to buy, no matter the true costs of obtaining them? Do you feel at peace with the idea that your government is free to monitor your communications and travel in the name of ‘national security’? Do you think it’s a good idea to continue sending our young men and women in uniform to far-away lands to die for ‘national interests’?

If you find nothing here do take issue with, you can stop reading now. But if you do feel a pang of discomfort at these questions, then you need to take a second look at Dennis Kucinich.

Dennis is the only person proposing bold ideas in opposition to these dilemmas. The return to a more soft unilateralism and realpolitik of previous administrations will not solve these problems – that is what got us to this point in the first place. Like LaFollette, Dennis Kucinich recognizes that old problems require bold departures from our current course, because slight changes are too easily co-opted and forgotten. Like LaFollette, Dennis Kucinich recognizes that there is a vast spirit of democracy just waiting to sweep across the land – if only the American Public can be awakened from the American Dream that numbs them from action.

It is because of this vision of an America that puts people first, and America that works for all of its citizens, an America that works in true cooperation with the world community, that I support Dennis Kucinich with every fiber of my being. It is also why I ask everyone else to consider this message of hope, rather than fear, when making their choice.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:45 PM
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1. It's a winning strategy
Howard Dean saw that early on as well, but Kucinich is the one with the gumption to really put it to the test. Dean started sliding after he abandoned that conviction.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:52 PM
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4. That's because with Dean it wasn't really conviction...
... but opportunity. With Dennis, it has ALWAYS been conviction. That's why I feel confident that he would never abandon his principles under fire.

Just like Fighting Bob never abandoned his.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:47 PM
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2. AWESOME!
This is perfect! Do you have a link? I MUST get this out to everyone I know who's still on the fence about this.

Thank you thank you thank you for posting it!

:thumbsup:

:yourock:
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:50 PM
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3. Ummm... there is no link to this
because I just wrote it.

It's only a first draft, so any suggestions you could offer would be much appreciated (grammar, general flow, etc.). :D
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:53 PM
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6. Link Here:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:54 PM
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7. Holy crap!
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 02:55 PM by redqueen
Haven't re-read it, but from the first reading, I stand by my first assessment -- it's perfect!!!!

You are one hell of a writer, IC!

:loveya:


edit: lol I was wondering why you posted more than four paragraphs -- D'oh!
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Cheesehead Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:16 PM
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24. Beautifully done
I agree 100%.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:00 PM
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31. Nice work, IC
I stand for Dennis Kucinich because he is the only candidate that has the guts to tell the truth.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:52 PM
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5. I just finished arguing that Kucinich would decimate bush in a debate
Clearly I support Dean, and I have great respect and admiration for Clark, but I find that as I watch the candidates and the direction of this campaign, it is Kucinich who speaks with the clearest voice.

In a debate, Kucinich would have bush on the ropes in no time. But he is such a danger to the Powers That Be, that he must be silenced, he must be ridiculed, he must be marginalized. I would love to see Kucinich in a debate with Kerry. Weathervane Kerry versus Lighthouse Kucinich.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:12 PM
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10. "Weathervane Kerry versus Lighthouse Kucinich"
mwahahah...that's beautiful!

Kerry's Clintonesque attention to polls is discouraging and even keeps him from being an effective weathervane, since polls don't necessarily reflect the direction of the wind. The only thing we know for sure is that honest polls represent the collective perception of a small group of untrained people who, for all we know, spend all their time listening to corporate weather forecasters rather than ever going outside and doing their own reality testing.


Dennis Kucinich: the straight-up candidate. No spin, no surprises, no sell-out. All integrity, all the time.

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:02 PM
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8. Damn Straight
I am with Dennis all the way to the Whitehouse.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:05 PM
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9. Friendly suggestions
First let me say this is fan-freaking-tastic. :)

Although he didn’t win, he did manage to capture a significant tally of five million votes – and it could be said helped to lay the groundwork for FDR’s eventual victory in 1932 and the emergence of the New Deal.

could possibly be more smoothly read thusly:

Although he didn’t win, he did manage to capture a significant tally of five million votes – and it could be said that this helped to lay the groundwork for FDR’s eventual victory in 1932 and the emergence of the New Deal.


also

Looking back upon history through this lens, I am forced to always ask, “What if?” when I think of LaFollette’s candidacy.

might be smoother if switched around like so:

Looking back upon history through this lens, when I think of LaFollette’s candidacy I am forced to always ask, “What if?”


also, a teeny consistency issue here:

And yet, he is somehow dismissed as a “radical”, or at least as “unelectable.”

judging from the rest of the piece, I'd move the period after 'unelectable' to the outside of the quote.

and just to be really really superpicky, I'd change those to single quotation marks (') since the doubles are really only for direct quotes.

:loveya:

Interesting... I always thought it was "Fightin' Bob" and not "Fighting Bob". I guess that just comes from being Southern. :)
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:13 PM
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11. I took your suggestions -- or at least variations thereof.
Like I said, this was a first draft, and I know that I can be a bit 'wordy' when I'm writing in a stream-of-consciousness.

(notice the single quotation marks) :D
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:16 PM
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12. How about this, RQ?
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 03:17 PM by Mairead
"Although he didn’t win, he did manage to capture a significant tally of five million votes – the first wave of the same progressive storm that brought FDR victory in 1932 and created the New Deal."
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:22 PM
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13. I don't like it -- because it wasn't the same progressive storm
While FDR and the New Deal was certainly an improvement over Hoovervilles, it was a vastly watered-down version of many of the things proposed by Fighting Bob.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:30 PM
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14. Outing my dumb self here
:)

But may I ask, is the the same movement that I have read about and refer to, which moved the party to the left after the industrial revolution?

I knew that it was an amalgam of farmers, minorities, labor activists, etc.... but for some reason I thought it started in the South.

Does anyone even know what I'm talking about?
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:36 PM
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16. You're thinking of the Populist Movement of the 1890's, I think.
Not the same movement, really. The Populists got swallowed up by the Democrats & Wm Jennings Bryan.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:37 PM
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17. That's it... thanks
Got 'progressive' mixed up with 'populist'. I knew 'progressive' didn't sound right.

Thanks!
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:38 PM
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18. Yes and no
What you're referring to came a bit earlier -- it was essentially a combination of the Socialists (see: Eugene V. Debs) and the Populists (see: William Jennings Bryan). The Socialists were undermined when the Populists were co-opted into the Democratic Party, culminating with Bryans nomination to President at the 1896 Democratic Convention. This, it could be argued, helped lay the groundwork for the eventual election of Woodrow Wilson.

The Progressives were a group that sprung up primarily among the Republican Party, slightly later than both the Populists and Socialists. With the outbreak of WWI, the Progressives split into two distinct camps -- one headed by TR which embraced militarism and advocated US involvement, and the other headed by LaFollette which rejected it outright. NYC Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia was another prominent member of the LaFollette camp. Ironically enough, despite his outspokenness on behalf of labor and against militarism, LaGuardia was booted out of Congress in 1932 with the wave of Democrats that swept into power with FDR.

With the final absorption of much of the Progressive Party under the Democratic Party platform, the socialists were finally pretty well finished as a real political force in America, and never achieved the prominence they once held in the early 1900's up until WWI.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:12 PM
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23. That was it, yes
Didn't know that the Progressives were Republican, though. Wow!

Thanks for the lesson. :D
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:26 PM
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33. Wisconsin has quite a progressive history
We had two Socialist mayors in Milwaukee.
I am a boomer {54} and I grew up in Frank Ziedler's Milwaukee, it was great then IMHO.

As part of reclaiming our progressive nature, we know that DK will do well here on February 17th.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:31 PM
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15. Great, Chris. You really should post this at the following Dennis site --
http://www.denniskucinich.us/

They post similar pieces frequently -- for example, Will Pitt's piece last week after he rode in the van in Iowa with Dennis, appeared at this site. Also today's very expressive "Torchbearer" essay.

I've never posted there so I can't tell you how to do it, but it's probably pretty easy. You have to register, I think. But I'm not sure how you specify that you want to submit an essay to the "Comments" part of the blog.

Anyway, this is something you should share with a wider audience.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:06 PM
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20. Thanks for the recommendation, Rich -- I sent it to them...
... and hopefully it will be posted after their approval.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:48 PM
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19. Damn, dude, that's AWESOME!
I'm helping out with a state site for DK (www.minnesotaforkucnich.com), is there any chance we could reprint it there some time in the near future? PM me if you'd be up for that.

That was truly a great piece-- it reminds me of why I became a "Wellstone Democrat" in the first place in the late 1980s. Excellent!!!

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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:07 PM
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21. very nice
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:10 PM
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22. Hey, where do you think I got much of the background from?
http://www.fightingbob.com/aboutbob.cfm

I don't know if I should have acknowledged it as a source or not, but I figured it didn't matter since it more of just a personal essay than anything else.
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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:25 PM
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You've articulated so many things I've been thinking
regarding Dennis. Thank your so ever much--terrific essay.
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Cheesehead Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:25 PM
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25. I hope to see all of you at Fighting Bob Fest this fall
It was a truly awesome event in 2003 - Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, Greg Palast, John Nichols, Ed Garvey, Matt Rothchild and much much more, with attendance of 2500. A Progressive wonderland!

The September date will make it a must-do this year

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:37 PM
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28. I read about it and would love to go.
I'll have to try to remember to find out some details around July / August. :)
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:35 PM
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26. actually I've thought of this comparison too
LaFollete is an excellent comparison to DK. Thanks for the article! :D I still believe that DK can win and so does he himself! :D



:dem: :kick:
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:37 PM
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27. strange you make that connection
I was thinking about it the other day. I know that back in the day my grandfather was a midwestern political fanatic as I am today.

I know he IDOLIZED Bob Lafollette. He even changed his middle name to "lafollette" (instead of leonhardt) and did his hair like him. My family's tradition of progressive politics were passed down to me from him, even though I never had a chance to meet him.

I know that he'd be proud of me for supporting Dennis Kucinich. If he hadn't of passed away in '79, he would too!
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:53 PM
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29. just cause
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 04:54 PM by Ficus



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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:56 PM
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30. Is it just me?
Or does Fightin Bob look a little like Martin Sheen?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:10 PM
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32. kick
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:29 PM
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34. This is really fantastic.....
hope they put in on the website...

"Dennis Kucinich recognizes that old problems require bold departures from our current course, because slight changes are too easily co-opted and forgotten. "

I like that..."old problems require bold departures".....
couldn't have said it any better.....


exactly what we need...a message of HOPE not fear!

Peace & hope & Dennis
DR
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truizm Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 06:51 PM
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35. very nice
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 09:08 AM
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36. A Kick for the Kooch!
:kick:
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 09:28 AM
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37. great article
Thanks for this IrateCitizen I'm going to forward to a bunch of my friends if thats OK with you.
Scott
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 09:31 AM
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38. Great essay! Here's a speech by LaFollette about War & Free Speech.
<snip>

I think all men recognize that in time of war the citizen must surrender some rights for the common good which he is entitled to enjoy in time of peace. But sir, the right to control their own Government according to constitutional forms is not one of the rights that the citizens of this country are called upon to surrender in time of war.

Rather in time of war the citizen must be more alert to the preservation of his right to control his Government. He must be most watchful of the encroachment of the military upon the civil power. He must beware of those precedents in support of arbitrary action by administration officials which, excused on the plea of necessity in war time, become the fixed rule when the necessity has passed and normal conditions have been restored.

More than all, the citizen and his representative in Congress in time of war must maintain his right of free speech. More than in times of peace it is necessary that the channels for free public discussion of governmental policies shall be open and unclogged. I believe, Mr. President, that I am now touching upon the most important question in this country today--and that is the right of the citizens of this country and their representatives in Congress to discuss in an orderly way frankly and publicly and without fear, from the platform and through the press, every important phase of this war; its causes, and manner in which it should be conducted, and the terms upon which peace should be made. The belief which is becoming widespread in this land that this most fundamental right is being denied to the citizens of this country is a fact, the tremendous significance of which those in authority have not yet begun to appreciate. I am contending, Mr. President, for the great fundamental right of the sovereign people of this country to make their voice heard and have that voice heeded upon the great questions arising out of this war, including not only how the war shall be prosecuted but the conditions upon which it may be terminated with a due regard for the rights and the honor of this Nation and the interests of humanity.

</snip>

http://www.pbs.org/greatspeeches/timeline/r_lafollette_s2.html

Geez, sounds familiar, yes?
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