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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:52 PM
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Hey Republicans, translate this!
If left to their own devices, Republicans often steer any debate to the fringe, where the party's true philosophies lie. Take immigration, for example, where House-led hard-liners like Tom Tancredo offer solutions that do little to mask their nationalist xenophobia.

Attempt to marginalize a group of people long enough, however, and you get what you've been seeing across the nation in recent months. The inevitable blowback from the Latino community has incluced marches, protests and coordinated walk-outs. Perhaps the most novel, and most controversial, protest was the unveiling of a Spanish version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" titled "Nuestro Himno", or "Our Song".

Responding quickly to "Nuestro Himno", President Bush told reporters he felt the anthem should be performed in English. Further, Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander introduced a resolution calling for the anthem and other patriotic compositions to be performed in English. While thousands of miles from a pressing matter, their push also ignores something important: The facts.

"I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English," Bush said Friday, "and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English, and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English." Funny how this president has a way of always evading the truth. As author Kevin Phillips noted in his book "American Dynasty", Bush appeared more multiculturally friendly at election rallies. "When visiting cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, in pivotal states," Phillips wrote, "he would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing 'The Star-Spangled Banner' in Spanish, sometimes partying with a 'Viva Bush' mariachi band flown in from Texas." Uh oh.

Even more brazen in his run from the truth is Alexander. "I worry, Mr. President, that translating our national anthem will actually have the effect of dividing us," he said on the Senate floor. "It adds to the celebration of multiculturalism in our society, which has eroded our understanding of our common American culture." Before we go on, allow me to pause for a moment to marvel at Alexander's idiocy. "Common American culture"? Whose? His? Anyway.

Alexander added, "We wouldn't recite the Pledge in French, or German, or Russian, or Hindi, or even Chinese ... and we shouldn't sing the national anthem in Spanish, or any other foreign language." Au contraire. Despite saying about the anthem that "never before has it been rendered in another language," Alexander, in addition to being a star-spangled moron, is flat-out wrong. As Think Progress reported, the U.S. Bureau of Education commissioned a Spanish-language version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" in 1919. Further, the State Department's Web site presently features not one, but four versions of the anthem in Spanish. Dios mio!

That the Republicans are up-in-arms over something as trivial as a translation of the national anthem is indicative of their upcoming election strategy. Unable to answer for their absolute inability to govern - whether it be the war, Hurricane Katrina, corruption, gas prices - Republicans must pander to their extremist base to stay in office. As elections approach, you can count on persecution if you're gay, a woman, a minority or if you support concepts like "science" and "separation of church and state". This fall, if you're a Latino lesbian seeking an abortion, you may just want to stay indoors.

Look, Republicans should be excited about "Nuestro Himno". Beside themselves. They should be thankful someone still wants to take pride in America, considering all that Republicans have done in her name since Bush took office. After Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, white phosphorus, secret prisons, outsourced torture and warrantless wiretapping alone, that anyone still wants to take pride in this country is amazing to the point of disbelief. Yet the right pitches a fit when someone wants to translate the anthem into another language? Hell, Republicans ought to be passing out lyric sheets. In Klingon.

But, as you know, they're not. No, Republicans are doing what Republicans do: Overreacting to an overinflated, overhyped threat. Instead of confronting a complex issue with rational thought, Republicans are again panicking, lashing out at a threat to their hegemony. Whether republicans like it or not, the face of America in the 21st Century won't be a white one. So, fearful of losing their dominance, Republicans are demonizing people for showing the very spirit that made this once-great country what it was.

In other words, Republicans are doing what they do best.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:12 PM
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1. K&R! N/T
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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:16 PM
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2. But don't translate that K&R!
I'm all in favor of the K&R, but I'm introducing a resolution to the DU administrators and moderators to keep them English-only.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:21 PM
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5. K1CK & |23C0MM3n|}3|}.
1337 translation.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:57 PM
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3. In Klingon
I now have coke all over my screen. Thanks :P
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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:13 PM
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4. No ...
... thank your Klingon overlords.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:31 PM
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6. Bravo!
I mean, "Viva!"

I mean . . . oh hell, I'm headed to Guantanamo now, aren't I?
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:42 PM
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7. Qapla!!
This is all I want for myself - Qapla!
And I feel immigrants are getting in the way of MY qapla!

And I'm scared shitless of being a minority in my own country in my old age. sorry, but we need to put our foot down...they can learn English if they want to be here.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:43 PM
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8. The surname "Tancredo" sure doesn't sound like "Smith" or "Jones"
Looks like our own beloved immigrant legislator Tancredog... oops, I meant Tancredo needs to shut his Italian immigrant mouth. The pot calling the kettle black, when an immigrant formerly called a wop by Smiths and Joneses is trying to attack other immigrants. What an *
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:57 PM
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9. Hmmmm, But A Lot Of "American" Names Don't Sound Very "American..."
not quite sure what sounds "American" anyway. I'd venture to say that you are right, "Tancredo" doesn't sound very American, either. Just pointing out that a lot of "American" names do not sound American.

We may be a "nation of immigrants" and a "big melting pot" but I think, at this time, we have absorbed as much as we can without economically hurting those who are already here. Which is why I'm against immigration, generally. It's just me looking out for my own self-interest.

Hate me if you want to for that, but no one ever told me that, to be a liberal, I had to lay down and let everyone else get ahead of me...and take care of everyone else's needs before my own.

Sorry, there is a point where my selfishness kicks in, and it is on this issue that my selfishness has finally kicked in.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:33 PM
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12. Why have we stopped growing?
If you were really selfish, you'd want a strong economy.
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:29 AM
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14. But
I DO want a strong economy!! Which is why I don't want ANY MORE IMMIGRANTS!!

The fewer people we have coming here...the more jobs available for US...WHO WERE FRIGGIN' BORN HERE!!

I fully admit to my selfishness in this matter.

No one ever said that, to be a liberal...you had to address the needs of everyone else...while your own needs go unmet!

When things are okay in MY wallet, then I might have a different view on immigrants. till then, they can GO BACK HOME!!
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:48 PM
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16. A strong economy involves employment
Good jobs are going overseas, and the ones left here are being filled by programmers from India, nurses from the Philipines, etc. These individuals are allowed to LEGALLY enter our country. How come these people coming to occupy our jobs (at a slightly lower pay) are not being discussed as part of the immigration issue? Why are always the toilet cleaners and strawberry pickers the ones to be discussed? Is it an elitist thing?
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 01:00 AM
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18. No
I don't want THOSE friggin immigrants coming here, either!!!

I'm not elitist...i'm against ALL IMMIGRATION...equally.

Until there's enuff jobs here for BORN AMERICANS...the immigrants can JUST PLAIN GO HOME...I DON'T WANT THEM HERE STEALING OUR JOBS!!

I'm unemployed nearly a year now, and I, for one, do not appreciate it.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:31 AM
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23. I bet he bitches constantly about Italian-Americans
being discriminated against. And it's always the right-wing Italian-Americans who whine the loudest about being discriminated against. Those fascist guinea bastards (I'm 1/4 Italian, so i can say that).
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:26 PM
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10. They forgot to bash sign language versions of the pledge
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:10 PM
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20. How do ya do that, and
keep your right hand over your heart? Seems subversive to me!

:sarcasm:
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:16 AM
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11. Yeah, we should be reading Biblical documents-- only in Greek and Hebrew
I find it amusing that with the US now deluged in debt and facing another war, the GOP is wasting our precious time with this stupidity. I'd known that our pledge and anthem had been translated into many languages but didn't know the details, thanks for the data.

Someone in a letter to the LAT, by the way, asked sarcastically, why Lamar Alexander wouldn't exclusively recite the Ten Commandments in the original Hebrew. A fair question IMHO!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:34 PM
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13. Next time they start up on the Ten Commandments being
posted in the courthouse, let's demand that it be in Hebrew.
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:32 AM
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15. LOL
not a bad idea! At least, that way, no one will be able to read them, and then the fundies won't get to shove their stupid religion down all our thrats...which, of course, is the entire point of their existence! They live to shove their shit down everyone else's throats...
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:12 PM
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21. I'd be able to read 'em
although Hebrew always makes my head hurt. I think it's the reading backwards thing. Kick ass headaches, really!:banghead:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 08:50 AM
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19. Debased understanding of
Edited on Sat May-06-06 08:51 AM by PATRICK
Elizabethan high blown amateur doggerel strangely makes the "popular" King James Version into a sacred mystified obscurantist even without the salient fact it is a bad and misleading translation if you DID understand it perfectly. The groups and people making these complaints are the least appreciative of the clarity of language communicating a real message. What a mumbo jumbo sacred language provides is a hierarchy of ignorance and elite interpretation that is willful, emotionally keyed to smarmy fanaticism and subject to the authority of the interpreters. The idea of personal spiritual interpretation of the "literal" Bible can become a mockery in every single way. No "literal" if you don't know what the words mean or author intended(pretending to have a special shortcut to God is, at the least, a cop-out). If spiritual, then a pre-language imposition of will and sentiment upon a mysterious bunch of symbols.

The KJV for what they pretend it to be is the poorest version of a sacred text now being used in a major way. Of course there are good translations, better as you advance into the mainstream and scholarship runs on a separate track with the original languages.

Another example of American hypocrisy and zealous "traditional" madness in anything regarding the truthful use of language, any language.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 12:10 AM
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17. Little Minds result in Tiny Things....
Whatever happened to him in Reasoning 101.01...definitions?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:26 PM
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22. Republicans support symbols.....Democrats support the constitution!
Republicans support, a song, the flag, flag pins, bumper stickers, apple pie, and chevrolets.

Democrats support the constitution.
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