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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 06:35 PM
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Help Al Franken do the right thing about Joe Klein, tomorrow.
Edited on Wed May-03-06 06:45 PM by Admiral Loinpresser
Media whore Joe Klein will be on Al Franken's show tomorrow, no doubt to pimp his new book. I assume most readers on this forum are aware of Klein's corrupt participation in the worst media performance in any presidential campaign in modern American history. I'm referring, of course, to campaign 2000. Klein was part of the mob that sainted that scumbag John McCain and spread relentless lies and spin about Al Gore (invented the Internet, Love Story, Love Canal, Naomi Klein, etc., etc.). I include one example of the dissembling of Klein below, who aren't aware of the work of this ethically challenged, faux journalist.

Al Franken has a tendency to be a little naive about the past sins of some MSM reporters who appear on his show. For example, the McCain-doughnut-eating/Koolaid-drinking Howard Fineman, another media whore of the first order.

Please contact Al Franken's show and encourage him to read dailyhowler.com on Joe Klein and confront him about it:

http://shows.airamericaradio.com/alfrankenshow/feedback

A taste of Klein's misdeeds:

Joe Klein's recent book has been critiqued for the revisionism it is, by Bob Somerby. Here is a relevant sample of Klein's hucksterism, from dailyhowler.com, discussing the Klein book:


KLEIN (page 157): Ah, the research! Gore seemed all tangled up in the polling data. If sighing and body language in the debates seemed a way to defy his consultants (don’t even ask), he was slavishly devoted to their numbers with every word he uttered. A particularly dreadful moment came midway through the second debate (with Bush), when the discussion turned to the murderous rampage by two students toting a small arsenal of weapons into Columbine High School, in Colorado.
SOMERBY: There you see the perfect expression of our millionaire pundits’ great script. This fake and inauthentic Democrat was “all tangled up in the polling data.” In fact, he was “slavishly devoted” to these data, “with every word he uttered. And this led to a “perfectly dreadful moment” when this Democrat debated with Bush. According to Klein, this “perfectly dreadful moment” occurred “when the discussion turned to” Columbine. And now, Joe Klein lets us look at his ethics. Continuing directly from above, here is the clip he provides:

BUSH: Let me say something about Columbine. Listen, we've got gun laws. He says we ought to have gun-free schools. Everybody believes that...But there seems to be a lot of preoccupation on—not only in this debate, but just in general—on law. But there's a larger law, love your neighbor like you'd like to be loved yourself. (Klein’s ellipses)

GORE: I also believe in the Golden Rule, and I agree with a lot of the other things that the governor has said.


Pitiful, isn’t it? You’d surely think several things from this passage. You’d surely think “the discussion turned to” Columbine when Candidate Bush took it there, and that Gore just offered meek words of agreement. Continuing directly, Klein essentially lies in your face as he explains why this shows how fake this Dem is—as he proves his Great Theme:

KLEIN (continuing directly): Gore had given one of the most passionate speeches of his life at the memorial service for the murdered Columbine students (in April 1999). For more than a year, he had attended town meetings across the country where Columbine had been a topic of great concern, often the very first issue raised. Bush had signed a law—speaking of laws—that allowed Texans to carry concealed weapons into church. The vast majority of Americans agreed with Gore on this issue—but his consultants wanted him to lowball gun control because there were lots of gun lovers in Pennsylvania and Michigan, crucial states he needed to win if he wanted to be elected president.

Well, he won Michigan and Pennsylvania. But he lost the election, even though the public agreed with him on most issues. He lost the election—actually it was a dead heat—because he did not seem like a credible human being. And he did not seem like a credible human being because he had shoe-horned himself inside the Message Box that had been created for him—because he had been polled and focus-grouped and dial-grouped and market-tested literally to the point of distraction. (emphasis by Klein)


Yes. As if to issue a cry for help, Klein did use—and italicize—the word “literally.” This Dem had “literally” been driven to distraction by his devotion to polls!

Klein was driving home his Great Script. Gore was simply a slave to the polls—and this was the “dreadful moment” which proved it. The “dreadful moment” occurred when discussion turned to Columbine—and Klein, essentially lying in our faces, lets us think that Bush took it there, and that Gore just mumbled agreement. But in fact, that’s nothing like what happened in that part of the Bush-Gore debate. As his cohort did throughout Campaign 2000, Klein is simply deceiving his readers. He’s displaying the fallen ethics of his daft cohort. For the record, this is the ethics to which Peter Beinart signed on when he penned Sunday’s fawning Post piece (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/1/06).

What actually happened in this part of this Bush-Gore debate? In fact, this discussion on guns lasted for over eight minutes—for eight minutes and forty seconds, to be exact. Each candidate spoke three separate times (Gore/Bush, Gore/Bush, Gore/Bush). And when did the “discussion turn to Columbine?” The discussion “turned to Columbine” when Gore took it there, in his second statement (also mentioning Paducah); what Klein has quoted is part of Bush’s second statement (in which he responds to Gore’s Columbine reference), and the tiniest part of Gore third statement—a statement in which Gore quickly returned to his demand for more gun laws. (We post the complete discussion below.) In fact, this dreadful part of Politics Lost constitutes perfect deception by Klein. Essentially, Klein lies in his readers’ faces to construct a “perfectly dreadful moment”—a dreadful moment which would prove his great theme, about how poll-driven this dreadful Dem was. Gore was the “apotheosis,” Klein says. And he invents a fake moment to prove it.

By the way, how absurd is Klein’s overall claim about Gore’s handling of the gun issue? As early as December 2000, Dem strategists had largely come to agree that Gore’s stance in favor of gun control had likely cost him the election in states like West Virginia and Tennessee. (Especially in Tennessee, where the NRA ran an extensive, widely-discussed TV ad campaign, slashing Gore for his pro-gun control stance.) As everyone on earth except Klein surely knows, that’s why you’ve seen virtually no gun control campaigning by national Dems from that day to the present. Is it possible that Klein doesn’t know these things? It seems a bit hard to believe, but frankly, the author of this book is so daft, so inane, so divorced from reality that this may even be possible. But make no mistake—this grand culmination of Klein’s chapter on Gore is an act of outright deception, in which Klein cherry-picks from this debate in a way which is plainly designed to deceive. Understand: To “prove” that this Dem was so deeply poll-driven, Klein was forced to invent a moment—a “dreadful moment” that didn’t exist. But this has long been the noxious ethics of the Millionaire Pundit Corps—the empty gang of empty graspers who now have control of our discourse. And worthless young climbers—young climbers like Beinart—have accepted this ugly ethics for years. Ten years from now, Beinart will be a Millionaire Pundit too—and as we’ll discuss in more detail tomorrow, he seems to have no plans to blow his chance to rake in that lucre. He’s been ducking this issue for years.



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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 06:42 PM
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1. Will do!!
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 06:42 PM
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2. Franken is just not a vicious type interviewer
He is a safe half hour or twenty minutes or whatever. Klein deserves to be staked out so a vulture might devour his liver, but Al will almost certainly let him off somewhat easier.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 07:00 PM
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4. Did you hear what he did to that hack who wrote the Hillary mudsling
book? It was vicious.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 07:13 PM
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5. He had Conason with him for a double-team, right?
That was good stuff.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 07:31 AM
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12. Conason was a bulldog!
He wouldn't let that guy go! Joe has been my absolute hero ever since.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 09:08 PM
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15. Conason should have an AAR show. He's damn good. nt
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 07:14 PM
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6. That's true I forgot about that jerk
He didn't physically assault him, an example of impressive self control. I would be a poor interviewer, I would, however, be an excellent choice for the "Don't" illustrations in the Radio Interviewer's Pocket Handbook!
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 08:20 PM
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8. But there is a distinction...
that guy wasn't even pretending to be MSM. His book was directed to "backwash" Republicans (as in Colbert's use of the term) who instinctively hate Hillary. Franken will definitely take after those types. But MSM types usually don't get energetically confronted.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 06:51 PM
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3. There are so many things you can nail Klein for
You can go back to his snide, cynical biography of Woody Guthrie, in which Klein spends half his time hyperventilating over the fact that Woody, at a time of massive economic dislocation and desperation would actually look favorably on Communism...oh, the horror, the horror...as if no one else but Woody was red in 1935.

Or Klein's sickening performance on New York and national tv the night David Dinkins defeated Ed Koch. Klein was virtually the first person in the room to float the idea of a fusion campaign for Giuliani of Republicans and Koch(I.E., white)Democrats. Thanks in part to Klein, Dinkins was almost beaten, and his defeat would have subjected New Yorkers to the ugliness of Rudy four years earlier.

Or Klein's repeated calls, in virtually every column in which he addresses the subject of Democratic politics, for the party to become even more conservative, antiminority and militaristic.

There's a lot the Kleinster call be taken down on.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 07:36 PM
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7. He's said rude things about Gore and Kerry
Sad that he's what passes for liberal over at Time magazine.

He's closer to a centrist, and I'm sure he's poised to slobber all over Hillary when the time comes.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:30 PM
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9. My letter to Franken - Klein is no friend to the Democratic Party
It took me a while to get my thoughts together enough to send a letter to Franken about Joe Klein. Anyway, below is what I managed to cobble together and sent off.

Al,

I like you, I like your show but I don't always like your guests. For example, tomorrow you will have Joe "Primary Colors" Klein on as a guest. Joe is another Klein that you should take to task for his journalistic foibles and out-and-out lack of ethics. If he wants to hawk his book "Politics Lost : How American Democracy Was Trivialized By People Who Think You're Stupid" on your show then he is just proving his point. He is part of the problem. He has done a lot to undermine the Democratic Party and our leaders over the years.

You'll recall that Klein penned "Primary Colors". It was published in 1996 (October 3,1996 according to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0099743612/sr=8-1/qid=1146712357/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-6365057-8050207?%5Fencoding=UTF8), the same year as the presidential election. As you might recall the book wasn't very flattering to the Clintons and it helped fuel the RW talking points that were being used against Clintons and the Democratic Party. For example, the book portrayed the main character as a womanizer with an overly ambitious wife. The book also helped fuel the "Clinton fathered a black love child" narrative that was first published in the tabloid "The Globe" and hyped by the RW and its media for all it was worth. (see http://newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/11/2/52048, http://www.dailyhowler.com/h011499_1.shtml, http://www.dailyhowler.com/h011599_1.shtml, http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A3432_0_2_0_C/ among others). Actually this black "love child" story worked so well that the GOP used the same meme again in 2000 against McCain. If you remember this much about that time period you'll also recall that Klein first denied that he wrote the book and even went as far as suggesting to readers of Newsweek that someone else might have written it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Klein).

If that isn't enough to remind you that Joe Klein is no friend of the Democratic Party then I'll refer you to David Brock's mediamatters.org website. If you search for "Joe Klein" you'll get six hits. The first one is from the 2004 election debates. Joe's comments are in the section where the press continued setting the bar low for Bush while setting it impossibly high for Kerry. Here's what's posted on mediamatters.org:

Joe Klein, TIME magazine senior writer and columnist: "Unless Kerry can come off with a succinct, and lethal, response to those (Bush's) vaporous but compelling platitudes, he will lose this election." (TIME, 9/19) http://mediamatters.org/items/200409280009


Then there's this exchange documented on mediamatters.org:

In discussing recent controversial statements by Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, Klein called Democrats "a party with absolutely no redeeming social value" and "a really boring and flat party" that's "doing nothing":

MATTHEWS: Joe, the president's down in the polls, the war's down in the polls, Social Security's going nowhere -- an opportunity for the Democrats to look significant. Are they looking silly?

KLEIN: I thought it was really brilliant for Dean to concede the white Christian vote. I mean --

MATTHEWS: It's the majority.

KLEIN: You know, at this point the Democrats are a party with absolutely no redeeming social value. I mean, all they've been about have been these tactical maneuvers in the legislature. There's a movement afoot in corporate America, on the left and the right now, to provide some kind of a universal health care plan -- Democrats, nowhere. They are nowhere on the war. They're not providing any kind of considered opposition to Bush's policy in Iraq, and in national security. They're doing nothing. It's a really boring and flat party.

***
I hope you ask him about the Democratic Party having no redeeming social value because I'd like to hear his evidence for that statement. http://mediamatters.org/items/200506130004

But my favorite article on the mediamatters website about Joe Klein is this one, http://mediamatters.org/items/200604120012 entitled "Attacks on Democrats and "liberals" a common thread among Time columnists" and the meat of the article is this portion:

In his column for the February 6 edition of The Nation, Alterman commented that Klein's columns are marked by his "animus toward liberals coupled with his cavalier treatment of inconvenient facts." Indeed, Klein has not been shy about attacking Democrats and "liberals." The following examples were drawn from Klein's Time columns from just the past six months:

* "The Republican Party has been a vehement bastion of economic freethinking for the past 25 years. This has been an extremely successful political strategy, and it rests on a basic truth: capitalism is the best way to create prosperity. But the strategy frays when taken to its extreme: the more untrammeled the capitalism, the greater the inequities. And with (President) George W. Bush as freedom's ultimate exemplar, the G.O.P. has refused to acknowledge the new playing field -- the severe dislocations and vexing security questions -- created by a freewheeling global economy. But the Bush view has taken a serious hit in the Dubai Ports controversy. The Republicans have shattered over foreign ownership of American assets. They seem as confused as Democrats normally do." (3/13/06)

* "Speaking of judicial nominees, Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) deserves notice for his criticism of Democratic advocacy groups that opposed the nomination of John Roberts to the Supreme Court in their usual vituperative fashion -- even though Obama himself opposed the nomination. "Whenever we exaggerate or demonize, or oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose," he wrote to the puerile liberal Daily Kos blog. Thanks, Senator, for taking a stand in the service of civility." (12/26/05)

* "(Sen. Jack) Reed (D-RI) pointed out that the President, despite his talk of limited success in the reconstruction of the cities of Najaf and Mosul, "didn't tell the American people how we're going to replicate that success in other parts of Iraq ... how many more teams of Americans, both military and civilian, need to go into these communities (and) what it will cost us." Most important was Reed's tone -- quiet, humble, dispassionate, substantive.

"Such sobriety seems beyond the reach of most Democrats. They make fools of themselves even when they speak the truth. The party chairman, Howard Dean, was not inaccurate when he said, "The idea that we are going to win this war ... is just plain wrong." If Dean had added the word militarily, most generals would agree with him. The trouble is, Dean -- as always -- seemed downright gleeful about the bad news. He seemed to be rooting for defeat." (12/16/05)

* "Congressman Rahm Emanuel of Illinois had a nice moment on Meet the Press about a month ago. He said Democrats would run on their "ideas" in the 2006 congressional elections. "But what are the Democratic ideas?" moderator Tim Russert asked skeptically. Emanuel proceeded to rattle off five big ones, which seemed to shock Congressman Tom Reynolds of New York, his Republican debate opponent. "Those are the first solutions that have come out of (any Democrat's) mouth," Reynolds said.
* "No doubt "solutions" was a slip--but the notion that "Democratic ideas" might not be an oxymoron represented one small step forward for the perpetually benighted Donkey party.

(...)

"There are problems. These are Democrats, after all." (11/21/05)

Nevertheless, Alterman lamented, Klein "is, amazingly, the most liberal commentator currently employed by America's highest-circulation newsweekly." Indeed, Klein's colleagues on Time's opinion pages have joined him in repeatedly attacking Democrats and "liberals" -- both in the magazine and in other media.


***

In short, Klein seems to spend more time repeating RW talking points then doing any actual journalism. Klein is one of the few journalists who have already taken Colbert up on his recent suggestion but with a twist. Instead of typing up the decisions the Decider has made and then running them through the spell checker and heading home Klein uses RW talking points in his column. And why not? Those talking points served him well enough when he wrote his fiction "Primary Colors" ten years ago. Why mess with success? Klein certainly hasn't. He's continued to repeat RW talking points and managed to crank out another book that capitalizes on both RW talking points (the Democratic Party is still in search of itself), praising the Republicans and blaming pundits for treating people like they are stupid. Or as Publisher's Weekly said:

"Throughout, he deplores the deadening of American political culture and celebrates the few politicians, like Ronald Reagan and John McCain, who occasionally slip the consultant's leash, blurt out an unfashionable opinion, take a principled stand or otherwise demonstrate their unvarnished humanity. Unfortunately, Klein's politics of personal authenticity—he longs for a candidate "who gets angry, within reason; gets weepy, within reason... but only if these emotions are rare and real"—seems indistinguishable from the image-driven, style-over-substance politics he decries; he just wishes the imagery and style were more colorful and compelling. Moreover, Klein's insistence that the electorate cares much more about the sincerity or "phoniness" of a politician's character than about policy issues puts him squarely in the camp of people who think voters are stupid." http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385510276/ref=pd_sim_b_4/103-6365057-8050207?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155


Oh how I wish you and Joe Conanson would take on this Klein and hold him as accountable as you did Edward Klein with his Hillary Clinton book.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 09:22 PM
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11. Thank you so much for this wonderful thing you've put .....
together! I've never been able to stand Joe Klein! Whoever said that he is a Democrat was so totally wrong!

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:57 PM
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10. K&R
Thanks for letting me know about this, Admiral.
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wizdum Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 07:07 PM
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13. Good post. n/t
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 08:49 PM
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14. Al is a flip flopper -- Al did at least one (if not more) show..
Edited on Fri May-05-06 08:51 PM by radio4progressives
raking Joe Klein through the coals, or at least he had Joe Conason do it directly. This occured some time after the KQKE in San Francisco went on the air broadcasting Air America programming.. Joe Klein was a thorn in Franken's side regarding his negative writings of Hillary Clinton.. there were some pretty bizarre imlications, one that stuck in my head was a claim Hillary and Joe Klein were lovers and that Chelsea was his daughter of all things. Joe Connoson challenged Klein on Al Franken's show with Franken's blessings and support.

But suddenly, Joe Klein is given credibility and air time on Al's show..

what the fuck is that about?

It just one more on a list of reasons why i just can't stand Franken, he isn't even funny to me. i hate most of his impersonations..

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