I Have a Different, or Additional, Take on the Immigration "Crisis"

[MarianJack]

When I think of the right's collective temper tantrum directed at primarily Hispanic Immigrants (make no mistake, they say "illegal", but they're trying to do to Hispanics this year what they did to Gays in '04), of course I see the usual bull shit tactic of trying to take attention off of the cesspool of shit that the rethuglicans have put this country into and their effort to keep their racist base energized and, most especially, SCARED! What better way to get people to vote against their own self interest?

But I also think of something else. Or rather 4 something else's.

Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona.

New Mexico voted for Clinton twice and for Al Gore. Nevada Voted for Clinton twice. Colorado and Arizona voted for Clinton once each. They were all close in '00 & 04. They have been moving slowly but surely in a blue direction for awhile. In the 60s they had a combined electoral vote of about 18-19. Today there are 29 electoral votes there and possibly more after the next census. MUCH of this population growth has been due to the influx of Hispanics. Given how close the electoral vote has been in the last 2 elections (at least close enough to steal), there is no way that they want all of those potential Democratic voters. especially with the rethuglics even more blatant than usual racism in the debate over this "crisis".

What do you think?

[catnhatnh]

1. Si,yo lo creo.....N/T

[IndyJones]

2. I see both dems and republicans arguing over this issue within

their parties.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

3. This came to me tonight,

while something was on TV about this matter.

And you know what hit me?

I don't care. I really don't care. Illegal, legal, nothing's going to be done by this administration, nothing's going to change, no one will gain or lose anything, and it will continue.

There are more important things going on, in my opinion, and Lou Dobbs needs to shut the hell up and move onto real stuff.

It's just how things are, and, you know what? I think they're always going to be like this.

I'm glad I'm old.

[MADem]

4. Certainly. When people picture an ILLEGAL ALIEN, they see

Juan Valdez in a checked shirt, who doesn't speak any Engish and has a wife and kids back home. A rube, a greenhorn.

The truth is that many Juans are grandfathers now, they've been here for years, and their three, four or five kids were all born here, and are raising families of their own. And, Juan's kids, and their spouses, well, they are registered voters. Or they will be...

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. There is sometrhing else here

It was on the Shultz program where an interesting statistic was mentioned yesterday...

Yes there are anywhere from 11 to 12 million ilegals... care to guess what is the percentage that has come across in the last five years? Yes since Bush tought on border guy has been in power.... 40%... the other 60 have come in since the imigration law in 1986

What does this tell you?

I know exactly what this tells me... they WANT this cheap labor and all of this is pure posturing... becuzse the labor is a means to destroy the middle class, and stupid middle class murican will vote for them out of fear that the Ilegals will take away his or her job, but at the same time... the ones in power will do nothing to stop the influx.. beyond pandering and cosmetic appearances.

[inthebrain]

9. Perhaps it's the border.....

that creates an enviornment ripe for exploitation.

Then again, I don't find many who think it ridiculous that an imaginary line can be used to determine which set of people are entitled to certain rights.

The reality is that capital can come and go as it pleases in any country. Poor people looking for work are treated as contraband. The reality is that this practice is ridiculous and sets labor back.

I am all for allowing "illegals" to come here and work. I am also 100% behind extending to them minimum wage laws and all workers protections!!!!!

This will most likely drive up labor costs in Mexico on the cheap labor pricks over there. I say we make this world an uncomfortable place for the capitalists that exploit us.

[OregonBlue]

6. Sorry but they are not necessarily Dem voters. Why do you think

the Pugs want to legalize them? The fastest growing religion among Hispanics is Evangelicals. Put together the Evengelicals and the Catholic vote and you get Repub. Anti-gay, anti-abortion, etc. These are going to be big wedge issues again in November and the Administration is counting on them to back the Republicans on those issues.

If these were Dem voters you can rest assured that the Administration would have dealt with this long ago!!

There is a real split in the Legal immigrant community over this. The ones who went through the long legalization program are just as divided over this as the rest of America.

[Mountainman]

8. Do you know how California got so blue> Do you remember Prop 187?

The repukes drove Hispanics into the Democratic party by being anti immagrant. You would have us do the same?

[OregonBlue]

11. California maybe. Not where I live. Even my once liberal Methodist

church (in a town of 250 people no less) has become very, very, right wing. Evengelical churches in our area growing in leaps and bounds, as is the immigrant population!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Prop 187

the reason why I not only became a US Citizen, for that was the damn writing on the wall, but originally registered Dem... granted now I am an indie, but that has far more to do with the DINOS than the progressive values I hold

[Mountainman]

7. Let the Democratic party stand up and loudly shout it's opposition to

illegal immigration. Then we may get some wing nut votes and lose the Hispanic vote. Smart?