Posted this in another thread RE Immigration

[nadinbrzezinski]

but it is important, for it lays down some of the complexities involved

the illegals are here due to policies that have been enacted at the highest levels of government.

NOT enforcing the 1986 law (That would punish corporations) is just part of it. Hell, when Walmart closed the doors on illegals overnight, not only did they break the 1986 Immigration law (aka they hired illegals, who by the by were Ukrainian), but they also failed to follow a score of state and federal law. Tell me, how badly where they fined?

THere is more... try to run on this platform, enforce the 1986 law, in the Central Valley of California... good luck.

In that sense we, yes kemosabee, WE are all victims. Why do you think the right is so hysterical about these 12 million? What happens once they get their shiny new visas and can emerge from the underground economy? I am almost willing to bet that they will join the unions, which the Right has been so assiduously trying to destroy, and has been quite effective. So they are your class allies, to use a term not usually used in the US. A little solidarity can benefit everybody... just saying ok, instead of letting the wedge work. After all they are today's Italians, or Irish, or Jews. And no I am not all for an open border policy, but before I will attack the Illegals I want the 1986 enforced, FULLY... lets see how many Wallarts can Wallmart loose. THey are a MAJOR employer of illegals, but I am sure this will NOT surprise you... but why are they not fined?

So try to look at the big picture and understand these people are here because of policies at the highest levels of government... not necessarily theirs, but it helps.

Having worked on and along side both sides of the border, and having talked to plenty of these folks... if they did not know they would get work in the Central Valley while growing up in the southern most region of Mexico, why pray tell me would they come across? What is more, many of them don't even speak Spanish, in fact they speak any of a variety of native languages. Yes, they are American in the fullest term of the word... and their traditional farms are under attack from big Pharma and agricultural concerns. Yes all of that is connected. And that is only as far as the one Mexico and Guatemala are concerned. since the Maya have had a forced migration to El Norte since oh the late 1970s (By the way, you are aware we did encourage many of the wars in Central America that led to the first push, don't you)

Then there are the immigrants from Central and eastern Europe. They come in under a tourist visa and ahem...stay. So you are going to close the border at the airports and sea pots to avoid this? Of course there is the other aspect nobody likes to talk when it comes to this traffic and it is white slavery. But I am sure you knew of it... many of these girls have come into the country to work the sex trade, not voluntarily mind you... but they are told by the pimps, who are you going to go? The cops, they'll deport you... not necessarily true... but there you have it. I just gave you a taste of how complex the issue is....

The solution is actually quite simple, get rid of the underground economy that works as a magnet. What are the chances you think our pro corporatist, cheap labor government officials will actually start fining LARGE corporations? Amazingly it does not involve closing the border... that will happen all on itself, when the message reaches the small towns, no hay mas trabajo en El Norte.

[mitchtv]

1. I WILL read your immigration thread

no fear of reading freeper talking points
Interesting point about the US interference in Latinoamerica.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. It is one that many like to forget

or have never learned about... that interference actually started way back when... and Sandino was running the Marines ragged back in the 1920s... but this is a very old tradition.

The migratory pressures, and these are economic refugees, are truly a result of that medling and globalization

[The Magistrate]

2. You Are Quite Correct, Ma'am

The key to the situation is treating as the criminals they are the large employers who benefit most from the traffic in people smuggled across the border. Fines, in my view, are not sufficient, unless perhaps they are levied at levels like ten percent of gross receipts: serious jail time for board members and executives is required.

[mitchtv]

3. Fines, confiscation, jail

is more what I have in mind