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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:37 AM
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"Kerry's Purple Hearts are the New Clenis."
It has recently come to my attention that Swift Scum Maggot For Bushit, Billy Schachte, in a desperate attempt to resurrect old RW lies, has donned his purple heart band-aid/codpiece and disrespected this nation's veterans once again by dredging up the long since debunked lies about John Kerry and his service in Vietnam. A recent article in a Charleston N.C. rag which I shan't be linking to, as it deserves no traffic, quotes Schachte regurgitating the same smut peddled by the Swift Scum in the 2004 (s)election. I guess Kerry hasn't been "staying in his place" lately, and the RW dip shits are out, en masse, again.

*YAWN*

While it's mildly amusing that these dumb asses have nothing better to do, I think it's high time that the voting public take a firm stand against this low brow brand of bullshit, and lay it to rest once and for all.

One of the lies this douche Schachte is repeating, is that Kerry has never released any military records.

OK. Kerry released his military records IN THEIR ENTIRETY on April 18, 2004. They were available for viewing and download, as well as PRINTING on his JohnKerry.com website. I know this because I used to work with a HORRIBLE, rabid, right-wing, fundie, Michael Savage worshiping, redneck skank whore who once asked me back in July of 2004 "Why hasn't Kerry released his military records if he has nothing to hide?" I looked at her and said, "The fact that you would even ask that shows you are talking out your ass and know nothing about the man. The records have been available to the public since April 18 of this year. How could you not know that?" Obvious shock registered on her face, and then she stuttered..."Um...uh...that's not true..."

So, I went home, printed THE WHOLE DAMN RECORD - HUNDREDS OF PAGES - brought it into work the next day, and dropped it on her desk with a heavy, resounding thud and said, "Read it and weep. When you're done reading every single page, then I welcome you to debate me on anything you THINK you know about John Kerry that I don't."

Bitch never said a word to me again. NOT. ONE. WORD.

Ok. Can I vent here? Because I feel there is another facet to this whole story that is by far the most frustrating element of this entire bullshit debate. And yes, I AM about to swear.

Questioning Kerry's military service at all is, in itself, a straw man. These Bush fellating, penis-envying paid shills, Shit-eating Schachte, Cock-Smoking Corsi, Orifice-for-face O'Neill et. al, all have one thing in common (besides diminutive man parts) they ALL know they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to actual debate on REAL, CURRENT issues that actually affect America today. They don't have a snowball's chance in hell of retaining a minute scrap of dignity if they were to attempt to throw their hats into the ring with Kerry and go toe to toe on ANY subject whether it be Vietnam, Iraq, or fucking needle felting, they'd be shredded like cabbage in a painful, crushing instant.

That in mind, they create this phony specter of wrongdoing on the part of John Kerry - all those years ago - because it is so much easier for liars and con men to repaint decades old history and hope to have a bit of their bilge stick, than it is to stand up to the heroic man who outshines them in every way today.

Knowing full well that Kerry's military service was indeed heroic, and his service record sterling, (unlike the AWOL, chicken-hawk, coke-addled, booze-pickled Bush) well, that just gets their goddamn pet goat, doesn't it? The simple fact that Kerry's detractors have been sitting about on their vast, jiggling buttocks for the past 35 years, becoming more and more impotent and embittered while Kerry continues to grow, to speak out against illegal wars and inept administrations, taking the Repuke noise machine by the short and curlies and swinging 'em around like rag dolls - well that chaps their pasty hides like nobody's business.

Kerry owned O’Neill’s impudent, whiny, sorry ass on the Dick Cavett show in 1971, and has owned it ever since. He and his putrid ilk have been gunning for Kerry ever since. It is interesting to watch Kerry's transition over the years from a soulful, thoughtful, articulate anti-war activist coming back from Vietnam who balls-out took on congress in front of the whole world and demanded an end to the Vietnam War, to a seasoned, experienced, astute, and still very vocal critic of the Repuke agenda and tireless advocate for our country's Veterans and working families, who stood up on April 22, 2006, the 35 year anniversary of his original congressional testimony, and demanded an end to the illegal occupation of Iraq.

Meanwhile, the "penis envy brigade" has undergone a transformation of their own. They have become more and more shrill, dishonest, desperate, pathetic and craven in their attempts to discredit the man who makes them all look so utterly ridiculous, and has for the better part of their despicable lives. Watching the "trifecta of dicklessness" continue to spiral deeper and deeper into madness and lunacy in the face of Kerry's non-stop onslaught is as grotesque and gut wrenching to watch as maggots birthing on a piece of road kill.

Which brings me back to the straw man. What do they REALLY have to go on? Nothing. So they manipulate the debate and detract from real issues by roping the Democratic party into a nonsensical debate about Purple Hearts Not Deserved and Military Records Not Released and completely ignore the fact that not only have these fallacies been debunked a million times over, and are smokescreens invented solely to take the heat off a failing president, a corrupt administration, and a war effort gone horribly awry in the hands of a dim-witted, simian figurehead without a brain cell to his name. They figure if they make a pariah out of one of this administration's most vociferous critics, it will be the critic, not the criminal who will be crucified.

This can only work for so long. One mistake that the Democratic Party, Kerry himself, and a good number of his supporters have made time and time again (though well meaning for certain) is to continue to engage in this debate as if it were valid or worth a nanosecond of consideration. To acknowledge it as anything other than drivel keeps it on the table and makes it a dead horse that these assholes can keep beating.

I am not advocating ignoring it, and not addressing it. Not at all. I am suggesting instead, hammering home a swift and blinding rebuttal, then a quick dismissal of the straw man, and a prompt and brutal return to the 21st century and the issues that plague us today. Because on Iraq, Health Care, The Environment, The Economy, Human Rights, ALL the major issues, we hold all the cards. And we shouldn't forget that or let our detractors forget that. Which they clearly haven't, hence the ever resurrected, oft repeated, always irrelevant "Purple Heart Debate."

Kerry's Purple Hearts are the new Clenis.

A simple solution is to swat it down like the pest that it is. Whenever the phrases "military records" "Purple Hearts" "Swift Boat Maggots for Bushit" are uttered, the quick, go to response needs to be "Nice Straw Man, Total Bullshit, Do You Have The Balls To Have A Real Debate On Current Issues?"

Lather, Rinse, Repeat, ad nauseum. Hit them over the head with this like a relentless beating, as often as necessary.

Let’s not play the "Do you still beat your wife?" game anymore.

One of the things you learn in the health care field is how to "reorient" confused patients. They may be suffering from some sort of acute confusion, delirium, etc. and need to be brought back to reality early and often. Tell them "Your name is Joe Smith, you are at Memorial Hospital, the year is 2006, you had a car accident." Don't let them continue to believe the year is 1968 and they are in Vietnam under enemy fire. Reorient them. Bring them back.

"Nice Straw Man, Total Bullshit, Do You Have The Balls To Have A Real Debate On Current Issues?"

If these shmucks insist on bringing up their ridiculous, inaccurate version of thirty-five-year-old history and continuously trying to polish that turd until it resembles a valid point, we need to promptly reorient them. Early and often - do not play into the fantasy.

We need to take back the debate and insist that these fools face the current reality. Which is, that if they were to step out from behind the curtain of deception that they dwell behind, and dare attempt to have a real debate with Kerry, Dean, Murtha, Feingold, Gore, Clark, ANY LEADING DEMOCRAT on the actual issues that face our nation in THIS era, (which is what really matters in today's America) our guys would promptly slap the dust off these doughy bitches in, as Bush would say, "the whim of a hat."

It's no secret why they keep regurgitating old, tired bullshit - because they can't rewrite the present, and their lies and “foggy recollections” of the past are all they have. Let's not let them get away with this anymore.

Let's reorient them.

Early and often.

Rant over, thanks.

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:42 AM
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1. Fuckin' awesome
K&R.

I'll add something smarter tomorrow after I've slept and taken my final at 8 am. :P
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:44 AM
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2. Oh my. Good luck with that.
Meaning the final! I know you are capable of adding something smarter. :-)

But finals suck.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:49 AM
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:53 AM
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4. What are you trying to say?
Vektor just SAID they were released in their entirety on his website. Then, they were released AGAIN as reported in the Boston Globe in June of last year.

So, your point?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:24 AM
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:27 AM
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20. All false, all RW lies.

"Nice Straw Man, Total Bullshit."

We saw them, remember. You either did not, or won't admit to it. I have them in print, remember?

But thanks for being honest about why you're here.

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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:56 AM
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6. Total myth - the records were on the official website, all 300+ pages.
Edited on Tue May-09-06 12:59 AM by Vektor
April 18, 2004, they became available. I have them printed out.

Non issue.

Nice straw man, total bullshit...repeat.

Why would you choose to repeat that myth when the entire post I wrote was to rally against right wing attacks on Democrats? Surely a Dem would be more inclined to question why Repukes keep attacking a man based on lies, instead of facing reality and talking about today's issues.

Right?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:17 AM
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:22 AM
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18. Hahahaha.
Your agenda is showing.

ALL MY FRIEND.

Sorry I know this hurts. ALL SEVERAL HUNDRED PAGES. Did you ever read them? I thought not.

"Nice Straw Man, Total Bullshit."
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:43 AM
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27. First you claim the records were not released to the public, then you
claim they were a select release.

You are dead wrong on both counts.

Name your source for your claims. Instead of trying to dispute the OP's well-researched assertions, let's hear your sources.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:45 AM
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28. Your sources, whatever they are, appear to contradict each other.
Which do you find the most reliable -- the one that tells you records were not released to the public, or the one that tells you a select release was made.

Both claims are false.

Which do you cite as most reliable? If they are demonstrably false, why do you count them as reliable?

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:45 AM
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52. The main thing the reporters verified
was that Kerry DID have all but one page of what they got on his web site. The one new page - which Kerry didn't have - recommended him for accelerated promotion (and was from his LAST VN fitness report.)

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:56 AM
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7. Kerry's war record was completely available to everyone who wished to
view them in a newspaper, at a library, from the web, or in highlights on various blogs.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:17 AM
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15. Untrue. Readily available to all over a sustained period.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:20 AM
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17. "Nice Straw Man, Total Bullshit."
The military records were up the entire time the John Kerry for President website was up, from April 18, 2004. I visited there everyday, but then again, I'm a Democrat.

Maybe you never took the time to visit Democratic websites? You'd know that if you had.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:28 AM
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:32 AM
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23. If you have that evidence of fraudulent claim, rfk, you should show it.
Edited on Tue May-09-06 01:32 AM by Old Crusoe
If you don't have it, you should apologize to the OP, if not to Senator Kerry.

I count that as slander.

Here's a spot for you:

http://ifk-johnkerry.blogspot.com/2005/05/kerry-signs-military-records-release.html

--evidencing the full releae of John Kerry's military records. The form he signed released them. Your theory is way the hell off. It's dead wrong. You can repeat it if you want but not without challenge. Shame on you.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:34 AM
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24. Ah, but you see...
Edited on Tue May-09-06 01:46 AM by Vektor
Some are not interested in the truth. If he were, he'd have read the records which were available for seven months straight. The fact that he is totally unaware of the records' existence and is repeating Rush Limpballs' lies speaks volumes.

But the REAL dead giveaway? Even the leftists who don't like Kerry have never stooped so low as to accuse him of dishonest military service. They unanimously agree that telling lies about his service in Vietnam is deplorable and inaccurate. This is something that ONLY the RW lies about Kerry on.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:43 AM
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26. "Nice Straw Man, Total Bullshit."
All lies, all irrelevant.

Now, would you like to discuss a real issue? Like Bush's illegal occupation of Iraq for oil and war profiteering?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:49 AM
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30. On the subject of unsubstantiated claims, rfk, let's just say for the
time being that Lyndon Johnson asserted his Senate opponent in Texas enjoyed carnal relations with farm animals. Lyndon's version might have beena tad saltier than that, given his usual diction. But it was rumored, and is an oft-repeated story about LBJ, that he did propose to accuse his opponent of said carnal relations.

Let's say that it's true. He'd still have to have proof, wouldn't he? It's quite a claim to make without evidence.

Or, let's say it's false. What do you think the consequences might have been? He'd likely have been sued for slander or libel, is my guess.

You claim John Kerry applied for his own purple heart. Give me evidence. Show me the proof you have.

Otherwise I call you the fabricator here.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:02 AM
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33. Not to mention - the military
decides if a person is eligible for a Purple Heart. Straight up, all there is to it. Whether the person lost a limb, or got a piece of shrapnel in their arm, it matters not - if you're injured in battle, you get a Purple Heart - or three. So, Kerry could lobby for a Purple Heart until he was blue in the face - if he wasn't seen fit to have one, he wouldn't have one - or three. :-) Sadly rfkrfk did not take the time to read the records where all the accounts of his receiving his awards were present and there for the viewing.

I have actually heard some of these RW dip shits bitching that Kerry's injuries weren't "severe enough."

Damn than Kerry for not diving face first into enemy fire in hopes of sustaining more severe injuries, just in case some dickless wads might question his bravery 35 years later! DAMN HIM!

I think the pukes are less upset about military records and purple hearts and war wounds per se, than they are about the fact the Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam, while Bush went on an AWOL cocaine and booze bender.



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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:27 AM
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42. Hate to bust your bubble here, but
service personnel (past or present) may apply for an award if they believe they are eligible and, for whatever reason, the award was not given. In fact, if they're on AD and don't do so, they are technically out of uniform. You might like to check out the stories of all vets who were screwed out of their awards because they were the wrong color while on AD.

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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:51 AM
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43. Good point, Sarge43.
Thank you for adding that.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:44 AM
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50. You're welcome, Vektor
Edited on Tue May-09-06 08:02 AM by sarge43
Great rant and right on the money.

A couple of talking points when you run into another rightwingnut who wants to start up on this:

1. Did Kerry meet the criteria for his awards? Yes or no -- yes or no? The criteria are available online.

2. If rwn has a problem with the criteria, then s/he should take it up with DoD, not with the individual who has the award. Service members don't refuse awards.

3. Were awards being passed out like party favors during Nam? Yes they were; I could tell stories. The US armed forces is medal crazy, almost as bad as the Soviet forces. However again, that's DoD's, not the individual's, decision.

4. As long as they're playing 'Don't look here; look there', we too may play. Why wasn't there a board of inquiry held on Bush after he failed to take his flight physical in June 1972? Why wasn't he reclassified into another AFSC or discharged for failure to maintain proficiency in his assigned AFSC, required actions by AFRs 36-1 and 35-16? Why did his reporting and indorsing officials lie about his assignment status, AF Form 77, dated 2 May 73? Oh yeah, where's his closeout DD Form 214?

5. Just for fun, you might like to ask rwn how the current nominee for Director, CIA got his Bronze Star. He was never near a combat zone according to his bio on the NSA site. Now, he might have done some covert op work, but I think that's worth a records check just to make sure. One other thing that jumped out at this old personnel puke -- he went for twelve years as a captain (O3), then he gets promoted to major (O4) and then his promotions take off like a cruise missile. That wasn't the way promotions worked, post Nam. Who did he know; what did he know?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:49 AM
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54. because he didn't - he got it because there was a
medical report.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:48 AM
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53. People on the Kerry blog even used them for less critical issues
The argument over the color of his eyes was answered by someone going to the records to see that Kerry listed eye color as hazel.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:55 AM
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31. April 18, 2004 was a Sunday. The Sunday papers are pretty thick with
Edited on Tue May-09-06 02:20 AM by Old Crusoe
ads, and news, and sports, and all kinds of stuff. The release of the records was well-covered, coast-to-coast, and most people spend at least a little time with their Sunday papers.

You must have slept in that day.

Had you truly wished to see the records, or inquire as to their avilability, Senator Kerry's office would have happily pointed you to the website.

Absent that option, you could have asked any librarian or news desk editor of any paper in the United States for assistance and it would have been readily provided.

You missed it because you wanted to miss it and tonight you're pretending that it was someone's fault.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:51 AM
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44. Hell, all he has to do is ask the National Personnel Records
Center for copies. Kerry authorized release, so they're available for anyone who submits a request. Here's the address

NPRC
(Military Personnel Records)
9700 Page Ave
St Louis MO 63132

It'll speed up the process if he includes additional data such branch, rank, dates, etc.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:56 AM
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45. Sarge, it's no surprise that you're coming into this thread with
a boatload of clarity and common sense.

No surprise at all.

Thanks for the info and all good wishes to ya.

:thumbsup:

:hi:

:dem:
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:53 AM
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55. Thanks Crus
"My duty is my pleasure and my pleasure is my duty." :evilgrin:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:54 AM
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56.  : )
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:57 AM
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32. Papers coast to coast covered this story and announced the release.
You're mistaken.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:18 PM
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61. TRUE - but most people get their news from BROADCAST MEDIA who wouldn't
report the details of the released papers, or ignored most of the proof in their efforts to protect the Bushboy and keep the Swiftlies propped up.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:47 AM
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39. Yes they were
They were on his website.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:41 AM
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49. They were all on the web site
Also, the Navy itself reaffirmed that the awards were given properly after a RW group demanded they be investigated. Kerry could not and did not give himself awards.

The Nixon tapes - which were NOT indended for public hearing have people ordered to destroy Kerry. These tapes also discuss that they did thoroughly check him out and bemoaned that he was squeaky clean.

One interesting document in the huge file showed that to go to work with the Admiral in Brooklyn after he left VN, Kerry needed a higher security clearance. His superiors in VN applied for it for him. So, if they believed what they said in 2004, how do they explain recommending Kerry for such a sensitive job.

It's interesting that NO ONE claimed that any document on Kerry's website was not real. They argued why the words didn't mean what they said. I've never been in the military, but I could see that the fitness reports spanned the time period completely and they were uniformly good.

By the way, the records went to (among others) reporters on the Boston Globe. The Globe, which has endorsed Kerry has always been very tough on him. This is the paper that trashed him when he announced in early 2003 that he had cancer- they accused him of lying when he didn't tell one of their reporters he had just found out he had cancer. Kerry hadn't had time to tell most of his family and was still having tests to determine the extent of it. The question Kerry blew off was something to the extent of (Are you sick, you look like shit). They got the first question at his news conference - without wishing a man facing cancer surgery well - they demanded to know how they could trust him because he hadn't told them about a month earlier when they asked. (Note the time frame - Kerry's press conference was in Feb 2003 - slightly less than a year before the first primary. )

As they had never caught Kerry in a lie on anything over a 20 plus year career, this was pathetic. So, to think that they would cover for him when he released his records defy logic. They would have had a field day with anything they found. (It was after the election, so protecting Kerry to help liberals or Democrats isn't likely.)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:53 AM
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5. I applaud your decision to print out John Kerry's war records and
dump them onto that one co-worker's desk. I would have charged her ass for the paper and ink, though. Maybe left a pitcher of red Koolaid on her desk at lunch break.

The Swiftboat Liars were likely instigated and propped up by Rove, or someone equally vile and traitorous. It's hard to say who all was involved, but I imagine a cadre of shit-stirrers from the Mehlman/Barbour/DeLay Skullduggery Institute must have had hands in it. It was exactly as you say it is: character assassination, and effective only because they didn't have anything else to run on. They still don't.

I saw the Cavett program with that debate. No question about it, Kerry owned the field -- on points and on principle.

I didn't think your post here was a rant, Vektor. I took it as more of a clarion call to proper adult conduct, which is far and away more represented by our line-up of Democrats and Kerry-Edwards most recently, than anybody the GOP can scrape off the bottom of their shitbucket.

As I typed the noun 'shitbucket' there, George Allen came to mind. That's just an aside.

You already know that you've done more than a great majority of Americans to be informed and aware and knowledgable and dedicated to the higher angels of politics. It's a rough-and-tumble enterprise, but let me be the first to say I'm glad you're on our side and not theirs.

Keep fighting the very good fight. I'm recommending your post right now.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:03 AM
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8. I understood what you said about Kerry's record and all that, BUT
Edited on Tue May-09-06 01:05 AM by FrenchieCat
The "Clenis" is blamed for everything....for 9/11, for the oil prices, for immigration, for ruining family values...you name it, it's the Clenis' fault. Even while in office, there was Monica's War....and of course, she was in constant contact with the "Clenis".

I don't think Kerry's Purple Hearts are being blamed for anything, are they?

So how are Kerry's Purple Hearts the **new** "Clenis"?

I don't totally get the rant--or maybe the title is confusing me.....:shrug:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:09 AM
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9. The title was tongue in cheek. The Clenis and the Purple Hearts
Edited on Tue May-09-06 01:14 AM by Vektor
are smokescreens for real issues, is what they have in common. The rant isn't really about the Clenis at all, though yes, agreed, it gets blamed for everything. The rant is just to bring to light the RW's tendency to use red herrings and straw men in lieu of real debate. Ever notice how whenever you get into a discussion with a Repuke about how Clinton balanced the budget and left us with a surplus, all the Repuke can do in response is continuously bring up "the affair" in an attempt to discredit Clinton - and it's totally irrelevant. Just like the Purple Heart Lies.

BTW, that's a nice pic of the General. :-)

"Constant contact with the Clenis..."

:rofl:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:11 AM
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10. Well of course, the Repigs will use whatever they can to detract from
Edited on Tue May-09-06 01:14 AM by FrenchieCat
the real issues....certainly!

that's why they are called the party that uses politics of personal destruction. That is their MO.....has been, and will continue as long as it works for them.

But certainly, I understand your frustration......totally!

Those tactics and the media's assistance with spreading the lies are mind boggling and total excrutiating torture to know that it's nothing but a bunch of bullshit! :hi:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:16 AM
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13. I updated my post a little...
To mention how funny the phrase "constant contact with the Clenis" struck me.

So the Clenis was responsible for 9/11 huh? Wow.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:19 AM
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16. Oh yes....Clenis = 9/11....you didn't know that? It's common
knowledge over in "freeptart" Land. If Clinton hadn't been President for 8 years, there would have been no 9/11!
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:28 AM
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21. Too bad 9/11 happened on "Bush's watch"!
Hmm....the Clenis indeed.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:13 AM
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11. I think she meant as in they are a red herring for the real issues
Instead of discussing policy in the 90s, Republicans only wanted to talk about the Clenis. Instead of talking policy now and during the election, they wanted to talk about Kerry's Purple Hearts.

The Clenis and the Purple Hearts are both nonissues that Repukes trot out whenever they want to avoid a real discussion of issues they KNOW they will lose on. Of course, the difference is that there actually WAS a story behind the Clenis (as stupid and irrelevant as it was), whereas the lies and innuendos about Kerry's medals are just that: pure lies.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:40 AM
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25. Recommended - excellent rant!
I had to log out so I could read the Ignored comments after I saw your responses, because I just had to see for myself...it was like reading a Colbert routine. The irony is hilarious.

:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:48 AM
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:19 AM
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34. Vektor, another excellent post. My response to it was Reply #5, but
let me add that the thread might have taken another direction had it not been interrupted by an impulse to vandalize its spirit.

That's hardly your fault and you defended your turf nobly and -- this is the outrageous part -- you used facts.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:22 AM
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:47 AM
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36. You don't just rock
You RULE!!

:applause: :applause:

(I always liked Dr. Funk's "you ain't worth the shrapnel in John Kerry's ass".)

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:57 AM
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46. Can I please second that rock'n'rule?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:36 AM
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37. Righteous rant! K&R! nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:41 AM
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38. the left should never let the world forget billy schachte
and he should be villified and discredited at EVERY turn.

years should be taken to ruin this man.

it is what he has tried to do to an honourable man after all.

the left should never, ever give creatures, scum like this legs with which they can walk again.

you did a great job!

and we all owe yopu a debt for letting us know that this tapeworm has reappeared.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:14 AM
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40. "Tapeworm"
I like that! A perfect description for such a filthy parasite.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:17 AM
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41. i try as often as possible to be accurate when describing
characters like schachte.:evilgrin:
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:18 AM
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47. K&R
Excellent, Vektor.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:20 AM
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48. Vek!
:yourock:


This is like sunshine!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:44 AM
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51. Here's the thing
My son in law worked for Kerry's pollster in Boston during the 04 campaign. From what I heard from him, the military records were all released but "something" was missing. He and his colleagues worried that the "something" might be an STD or other health related issue. What FINALLY came to light was, guess what, the fact that Kerry had gotten 2 "D"s his freshman year at Yale. I remember when that came out last year because I wrote a scathing ltte of my local paper, giving them sh*t for repeating the lie that Kerry didn't "fully" release his military records and now he has and lookie, he got more "D"s while at Yale than Bush did! Naturally, here in New Haven that was a hot topic. (I can pm you with the text of my ltte if you'd like). I finished by saying something to the effect that anyone watching the presidential debates would know which man made better use of his Yale education!

The repubs saw the release of the "D"s, along with JK's full military records (again, as you correctly point out)and realized that they had conclusive proof that JK had told the truth about his military records during the campaign. SO THEY MADE IT A STORY ABOUT HIS "D"S AT YALE, ha ha. To cover their sorry butts and those of the Swift Boat Liars.

I'm not too clear on exactly what happened but my guess was that his transcript from Yale was part of his whole military file and that was what was omitted. Please correct me if I am wrong. I know you have a printout of what he released during the campaign.

So, Kerry might have been a little chagrined about those "D's, and of course didn't consider them "military." Neither do I. Personally, I couldn't care less, but maybe JK's pride (which I can understand)was at stake for him.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:52 AM
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57. He was probably afraid of exactly what the RWers eventually did
Which was, "haha, JK got two Ds, haha, now no one's allowed to make fun of Bush being dumb ever again, haha!"

Which is complete and utter bullshit because, as we can clearly see, only one of those two men can:

- speak one language coherently (hell, he can speak MORE than one language coherently)

- use logic and reasoning to define and argue his points

That's how stupid and pathetic RWers are, though - when they KNOW they have nothing, they make mountains out of molehills (or out of nothing at all) and use them to create straw man bullshit. Shit, I've had a few Ds in college. Sometimes you end up taking a class you don't give a shit about. To assume that grades have ANYTHING to do with latent intelligence is complete idiocy. None of us ever thought Bush was dumb because he got Cs at Yale, but because he CANNOT SPEAK THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROPERLY.

I know I'm preaching to the choir but you reminded me of something that made me really mad. :P
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:15 PM
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60. Also, when speaking of Yale in Tour of Duty
Edited on Tue May-09-06 12:16 PM by karynnj
he did signal in several statements, that he joined way too many things and perhaps needed a mentor. His own description of "capable, but not conscientious" was likely a polite way of saying that he cut a lot of classes. (which he said he did in his senior year to go flying - and that's when he got the best grades.) Considering he was President of the political club, the star of the debate team and on four sports team, had what sounds like a very active social life, a serious girlfriend and learned to fly in addition to a part-time job, it's amazing he did as well as he did in his Jr and Sr years. (Unlike Bush, his grades went up over time)

When someone who speaks fluent French gets a "C" in French - you can assume he he was placed in a Junior or Senior class, or he was sometimes not there. His journal writing in Tour of Duty, soon after college, was really good. (especially considering the conditions under which it was written and that it was unedited.)

At any rate, the debates and his performance on Senate committees show how brilliant he is when he is conscientious.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:48 PM
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66. When a person is very bright,
one of the very hardest things to do is to go to a very boring class and stick with it to get a good grade. I can imagine a restless young John Kerry being a person in that situation. Especially at Yale with all of its exciting distractions, both in intellectual pursuits and sports.

All of those pundits last year totally missed the boat on this--grades do not equate to I.Q.!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:22 PM
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62. And maybe that page was accidently omitted. It certainly was no big deal
since Kerry always said he didn't apply himself in his freshman year, as he was more into getting his pilot's license and distracted by flying back then.

I understand that happens to alot of new pilots. They can't think of anything but getting back into the air.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:34 PM
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63. Kerry actually never had that page
and because it was as good as the rest of his record - there could be no question about intentionally eliminating a page that gave him the highest posible rating and recommending excelerated promotion.

As to the grades, notice that Yale didn't seem concerned. He was allowed to continue in all his activities. Dick Cheney flunked out of Yale.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:55 AM
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58. I'm sure you know it already but still
I must acknowledge it in writing...you just issued one righteous ass-kicking!

Very well done (as in friggin' charred!)

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
:toast:
:yourock:
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:05 AM
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59. OMG! That was thing of beauty!
Your rant thoroughly rocks!!! K&R!!! :yourock: :applause: :patriot:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:38 PM
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64. Great post!
Kick and recommend! :kick: :yourock: :hi:
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:17 PM
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65. Bravo, Vek. Recommended! n/t
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:38 PM
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67. Thanks guys...
For your support and input. I wrote this last night, fresh from reading that foul article and I didn't do the requisite deep breathing and "stress relieving techniques" advised before picking up the ol' laptop. I got up this morning and re-read what I had written, and was like "yeesh...."
:-)
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:47 PM
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68. "right-wing, fundie, Michael Savage worshiping, redneck skank whore"
Edited on Tue May-09-06 03:48 PM by progressoid
Seems like you're holding something back. :shrug: Tell us how you really feel.

edited to add:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:


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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:55 PM
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69. I did actually hold back a bit...
:-)

She was worse than that - evil in its purest form!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:26 PM
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70. I know the feeling
I used to have a boss like that. I anonymously left a "Flush Rush" newsletter on his desk. He thought it was from a client so he lowered the rhetoric a little for fear of losing clients.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:38 PM
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71. This is so damn good
I just have to give it another kick.

Vek, this is one righteous rant!
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:32 PM
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72. Heh heh...thanks MH1!
Glad you enjoyed it. Every so often, I just have to cut loose.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:39 PM
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73. What a wonderful pic of Kerry.
He is a great American.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:17 PM
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74. Thank you, tabasco.
I love that pic too...I found it after about 40 pages of image searches...it has a kind of ethereal quality that I really like.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:31 PM
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75. Vektor, I wish I could add something to this truly awesome rant . . .
But I can't, other than to say that :yourock:

Awesome - K&R.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:53 PM
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76. Nice to defend Kerry...when he wouldn't defend himself.
What should have happened in the last election was Kerry demanding to face his accusers, with a righteous anger, demanding that they stand and deliver their charges. Unfortunately, that was far too much involvement for him, especially in a poltiical season where Howard Dean was dumped by the Democrats for having a hoarse throat and too much enthusiasm for the office.

Now he and Gore want a second shot for the nomination. And while they've been doing a lot to build up their name recognition among the Democratic loyalists, they still are afraid to ruin the manicures on their nails. Neither one...in fact, none of the people proposed for the Democratic nomination...has shown any passion for the office, or even a fraction of the fury that real activists are right in showing.

It looks like 2000 all over again, and even if they made the voting machines honest and fair it wouldn't help.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 09:31 AM
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77. Kerry fought back during the election, he fought back with truth and
ideas and plans for America's future. He continues to fight this administration on the many important issues he spoke about during the campaign,keeping the promises he made to his supporters.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 11:13 AM
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78. Kerry did fight back
In any prior election, his speech which addressed this would actually have been covered. Also, Kerry's team gave the media proof that there were meny provable lies in the book within the first week - in any other election, the media would have rejected the SBVT and pointed out their Bush cnnections.

What forum would you have adviced for Kerry to face this gang of thugs - This could well only have elevated the thugs. They could lie and Kerry tell the truth - but would observers see that?

Incidently, I would say Kerry's passion and Gore's passion far out match the activists. They are also both focused on suggesting real solutions to real problems. Passion can be expressed better with out screaming and fury. Watch Gore's January speech or Kerry's Faneuil Hall speech - both are focused and full of passion.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:15 PM
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79. I'm actually speaking out against RW slander.
The post was not about defending Kerry (who, by the way, has spoken out multitudes of times and continues to do so daily - as soon as we get fair media coverage in this country, more might see that) so much as it was about decrying the slander, lies, and character assassination that we see all too often from the Repukes in lieu of real debate and policy discussion. It may be a little off base to respond to a thread calling for the end of RW dirty tricks and paid "shillery" by attacking and blaming a Democrat and making personal digs about manicures and "lack of involvement."

Maybe you missed the point of the thread, which is fine - it happens.

I don't know about you, but I'm far less inclined to blame OUR party based on intangible, conceptual accusations like manicures and perceived lack of involvement (that sounds more like personal judgments, not facts) and more inclined to speak out most vehemently against concrete violations of ethics, and in many cases, the LAW, such as slander, libel, and outright character assassinations against our veterans.

Ya gotta pick your battles, and it's clear to me I'd rather do battle with the actual enemy, not someone who is on our side but for some personal reasons, doesn't meet my brand of expectations - eg, a candidate I didn't prefer in the primaries. It's just plain to me that browbeating a Democrat for his or her fingernails, haircut, or speaking voice and blaming him or her for the ills of this country while ignoring the RW's flagrant ethics violations does nothing but aid the Repuke agenda, and debilitate the Democratic voice.

Mainly, I was decrying the slander of a Veteran by a party whose candidate of choice was an AWOL drunken coke head. The only defense of Kerry that could be gleaned from my post was to say that his service in Vietnam was honorable and brave, and that the RW's assertions that he did not serve honorably were mudslinging and lies. Do you disagree with that? Because that's all this post was about.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:27 PM
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80. Here's a dose of facts for you
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x2555

And as for current behavior, obviously you missed the 4/22/06 Faneuil Hall speech ... and the many more like it he's been giving since the election (although 4/22 was exceptional).

We get that you don't like Kerry. But you should try to get your facts straight.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:00 PM
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81. Check out DUs Research Forum - it has the facts the media chose to keep
from you and the rest of the general public.

It's the thread dealing with the exact actions re Swiftliars
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