What if Fitz held off Rove so he could get indictments on Cheney?

[BR_Parkway]

Wild speculation here - so flame, ignore or recommend.

But we were all pretty well convinced that Rover was going down last week after his 5th time in front of the GJ. Then we hear Fitz is telling Luskin he'll hear something, but it'll be at least 10 more days.

Why did Fitz include the Wilson editorial and Cheney's handwritten notes in his answer to Libby? It shows that Fitz can pretty well prove the VP's involvement, that there was a concerted effort to swear Wilson/Plame (in spite of all testimony to the contrary), it even shows a fairly decent sequence of events that prove someone in the VP's office knew Plame was undercover when they outed her.

Could Karl have convinced Shrub that Cheney is the reason Shrub's poll numbers are sinking? We know Chucklenutz thinks KKKarl can do anything when it comes to elections. So they work out a trade - KKKarl to turn evidence to Fitz on Cheney in exchange for lighter charges, which Shrub instantly pardons so KKKarl can get back to work rebuilding Shrub's legacy.



So here's the $1,000,000 question - is Shrub going on TV tonite to announce Cheney's resignation?


talk it up, if nothing else, we know MSM likes to report what the blogs are talking about - let's really create a news cycle then!

[shrdlu]

1. Caution! This way lies La-La land...

[BR_Parkway]

2. I'm fascinated at your thorough analysis - care to expand your thoughts?

[keepthemhonest]

3. I was with ya until the shrub announce cheney resignation thingy

They would just pretend that Cheney has to retire due to health issues. My belief has been, why announce this press conference last week? so the lapdog press can just talk about this over and over again and ignore all else. they speculate "What do you think Bush is going to say?" Who cares.It is a good block for any coverage of whether Rove has or will be indicted.

[BR_Parkway]

5. Before with Card, I would have agreed - look how fast they hustled

the Shrub out on Friday over the NSA phone scandal? Instead of ignoring it as before, waiting it out and basically telling everyone to kiss their ass, it was legal - they threw him out there front and center and told him to reassure everyone (and not to answer any questions!)

If you were Fitz, loyal to the Constitution as he appears to be - how would you go about actually indicting a sitting VP? Announce a press conference ala Libby? No, it requires more time to replace a VP - for the stability of the country. So you keep your smaller, but visable target on the hot seat - and tell him publically he's got to wait 10 days.

Behind the scenes, you let the VP and POTUS offices know the VP is going to be indicted and he's got 10 days to get his life in order.


Ok, maybe it won't be tonite, but eventually Fitz is going to get Cheney - so maybe a little advance speculation as to how he'd go about it, if nothing else - fun to contemplate.

[tulsakatz]

4. I doubt it.........

If Cheney were leaving, they probably wouldn't let Bush do it for him. I've believed for a long time that he (Fitz) ultimately wanted to get Cheney. Certainly he had plenty of evidence on Libby which is why he indicted him but I also believe up to and after the indictment, he tried to pressure him even more so that he would give up evidence on Cheney.

The Wilson article with Cheney's notes on it does show that they were planning on doing something to Wilson for writing that op ed. And certainly there was a concerted effort to try to damage his credibility...........by asking if his wife sent him on the trip.

And even if Bush does pardon these guys, I believe they have to be found guilty before he can pardon them.........so if that happens, it probably won't happen for quite awhile.

[Common Sense Party]

6. I read that Rove WAS indicted on Friday. I read that here on DU.

What do you mean "hold off"?

[BR_Parkway]

8. We were expecting it last Friday, right after KKKarl was in front of

the GJ on Wednesday (May 3rd)

[Common Sense Party]

10. So, was Rove NOT indicted? I'm confused.

I need to pay more attention.

[brentspeak]

13. I think that's what the poster just said.

You just repeated what Common Sense Party already posted.

[Vickers]

7. How hilarious would it be for KKKarl to throw Deadeye under the wheels?

:rofl:

I looooooooove it when they eat their own. :spank:

[Tansy_Gold]

9. I touched on a similar scenario in another thread

The big question mark in everything, however, is the potential for a presidential pardon. The doofus-in-chief can get either rove or cheney or both of them off scot free, and since we no longer have bills of attainder, we can't keep them from passing along all their illegally gotten gains to their heirs anyway.

**IF** an indictment has been returned and **IF** Fitzgerald is giving rove time to contemplate a deal and **IF** rove is protecting someone, it has to be someone higher up than he, and that pretty much means either cheney or the doof. Libby's already fallen on his sword, and there was no attempt to save his ass because he's of less importance to the regime than rove. rove won't sing to save someone further down the ladder, but he might sing to save someone further up, someone who can still be of benefit to him.

**IF** an indictment has been returned and **IF** Fitz is giving rove some wiggle room, my over-active imagination suggests there is some really dirty shit in the works, shit so dirty that if rove doesn't sing, if rove doesn't fall on his sword the way Libby did, things are gonna be so bad for the boooshies that not even a presidential pardon will save them.

Can booosh pardon himself? :shrug: I honestly don't know. Nixon couldn't -- or at least didn't -- pardon himself, and so I suspect the little boy king's "brain" knows boooosh's goose ultimately is cooked:

Either

1: Rove pleads guilty to substantive crimes and is effectively removed from the political scene even with a presidential pardon, thus ruining any hope for the GOP to continue in power, or

2: Rove rats on the big boys to keep his own ass out of jail, thus effectively destroying the regime he himself helped to build.

However, just to throw a monkeywrench into my own speculations, I also think Fitzgerald may -- **MAY** -- have some doubts of his own. And indictment isn't a conviction, and if Fitz has something less than a smoking gun, he may be angling for a plea bargain of some kind. Or perhaps he's trying to avoid the public mess of a trial. Libby's trial isn't set to start until what, January? So maybe there's some negotiating to get things cleaned up before then, before the elections, and so on.

I don't know how eager rove and the boooshnazis would be to cop a plea and avoid a trial. (So far there hasn't been a pre-emptive pardon of Libby. Didn't GHWB pardon some of the Iran-contra thugs before they'd been found guilty???) I don't know if they're arrogant enough to think they could win, that they could start another war or something to pre-empt the trial. I just don't know.

But I do think there are myriad possibilities, all of them fascinatingly interesting. And who knows? If maybe we occupy ourselves speculating on THAT, we can while away the time between now and Fitz's announcement without aggravating our ulcers or snarking each other to bits on DU! :evilgrin:


Tansy Gold, whose imagination is keeping her awake at night

[northamericancitizen]

11. I started thinking the same thing yesterday. Time will tell. eom

[stop the bleeding]

12. I think that Rove already had his chance(s) to cooperate with Fitz

Fitz knows he can get Libby, Rove, Hadley, Cheney, Rice and others in a matter of time. He goes and gets enough dirt on one and presents them with a deal to cooperate (guessing that Hadley and Fleischer went down this road), Fitz then uses these/this new ammo to build his case(s) for the next rungs on the ladder.

People like Libby and Rove(if his papers have been served) have missed any opportunity to lessen their sentences, but since Fitz would make them serve jail time, then I do not find it surprising that both Libby and Rove would have balked at Fitz's offer.

Fitz has Libby, Fitz has Rove, looks like Fitz got Hadley and Fleischer to help a long time ago, looks like Fitz is moving on to the next rung of the ladder(Cheney). Fitz knows that more and more will come out on Cheney when Rove and Libby try to defend their charges. Also Fitz may not need anything more than what he already has on Cheney.

Think about this - or this is what I have been thinking about.

Fitz looks like he is working towards the conspiracy/heavier charges. Now wouldn't he need more than just Cheney to make that/those charges stick? Like Libby, Rove and Hadley are we getting to see the next shoe drop on this?

Just thinking out loud, maybe I should get some foil, sorry if this seems rushed - I am at work and typed when I could. ;)

[H2O Man]

14. I think we will see

a further erosion of the OVP this summer. It seems that recent court filings have exposed Cheney as having played a hands-on roll in the planning and execution of the smear campaign against the Wilsons. It seems likely to me that he will become the target of a House investigation and eventually impeachment.