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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 02:50 PM
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There is nothing more progressive or liberal than the internet.
Edited on Mon May-15-06 03:29 PM by Uncle Joe
I believe this to be the closest fulfillment of Martin Luther King's dream to date. While we all may bring our own prejudices and bias to the forum, everyone here is blog colored. You cannot even be certain what someone's gender is.

This is the place where ideas and people are judged by the content of their character in the blind. This is the place that allows dissenters of their government at least a modicum of shelter. This is he place that allows a musical group to thrive after a cowardly corporate owned radio network refuses to play their music, because they used their first amendment rights. This is the place that helps give our "fourth estate watchdogs" a little cover and fortitude, when their owners and or CEO's would rather them not have it. This is the place that will allow a Freeper a chance to become more literate even if by accident. This is the place that will give a few Davids some rocks to throw against Goliath, whether they be liberal, progressive, moderate, conservative, libertarian or just confused.

Kudos to the genius that had the vision and integrity to empower us all, even when the other Titans were not so keen on the idea.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 02:54 PM
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1. And kudos to all those who helped Gore make the internet happen
Edited on Mon May-15-06 03:00 PM by blm
and BOO to all those who choose to LIMIT what citizens can learn on the internet and close the books on information the citizens NEED to prevent 9-11s and prevent ANY Bush from the power of the presidency.

Senators who worked WITH Gore:

Sen Adams, Brock
Sen Bingaman, Jeff
Sen Breaux, John B.
Sen Conrad, Kent
Sen Cranston, Alan
Sen Durenberger, Dave
Sen Ford, Wendell H.
Sen Glenn, John H., Jr.
Sen Gorton, Slade
Sen Hatfield, Mark O.
Sen Heinz, John
Sen Hollings, Ernest F.
Sen Jeffords, James M.
Sen Kasten, Robert W., Jr.
Sen Kennedy, Edward M.
Sen Kerrey, J. Robert
Sen Kerry, John F.
Sen Kohl, Herb
Sen Lott, Trent
Sen Pressler, Larry
Sen Reid, Harry
Sen Riegle, Donald W., Jr.
Sen Robb, Charles S.
Sen Sasser, Jim
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 03:31 PM
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3. I can agee with that. n/t
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 03:24 PM
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2. "Kudos to the genius ..."
Which genius?

Vannevar Bush?
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/194507/bush

J.C.R. Licklider?
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/licklider.html

Paul Baran?
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/baran.html

Jonathan Postel?
http://www.isi.edu/~postel

Bob Metcalfe?
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/metcalfe.html

Bob Kahn?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Kahn

Doug Englebart?
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/engelbart.html

Vint Cerf?
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/cerf.html

Ted Nelson?
http://www.wired.com/wired/3.06/xanadu.html

Mark MaCahill?
http://www.edreform.com/index.cfm?fuseAction=document&documentID=1001

Richard M. Stallman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Stallman

Tim Berners-Lee?
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html

Al Gore?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore

Marc Andreesen?
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/andreesen.html

Linux Torvalds?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Torvalds

Phil Zimmerman?
http://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/background/index.html
http://www.skypoint.com/~gimonca/philzima.html

Yes, I'm aware I left out about 50 different people that either contributed to the design and construction of the internet or heavily influenced our current day connected lifestyle. My point being that there is not just one person responsible for the internet. And yes, Al Gore deserves to be commended for having the vision to understand the potential of allowing the public access to the internet.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 03:35 PM
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4. Thank you for the list,
I appreciate all of them. However none to my memory were so trashed and slandered for their efforts as Al Gore by the corporate owned MSM. He took the hit and suffered the greatest injustice for empowering the people.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 04:00 PM
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5. It was an inopportune line
That was taken out of context and the right wing has been running with it ever since. Even many techies don't understand what Gore really said or his role in opening the internet which, as I noted above, really does deserve to be commended. It was a personal goal that he had been working toward since the 1970s.

BTW: Here's Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn speaking in support on Al Gore. This e-mail has appeared all over and it's in the public domain so I'll repost the entire thing, but you can find the copy I got it from here: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200009/msg00052.html

It just happened to be the first link returned in my Google query:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=Al+Gore+internet+support+Cerf+Kahn&btnG=Search
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:43:58 -0400
From: vinton g. cerf <vcerf@MCI.NET>
To: Declan McCullaugh <declan@well.com>, farber@cis.upenn.edu
Cc: rkahn@cnri.reston.va.us
Subject: Al Gore and the Internet

Dave and Declan,

I am taking the liberty of sending to you both a brief
summary of Al Gore's Internet involvement, prepared by
Bob Kahn and me. As you know, there have been a seemingly
unending series of jokes chiding the vice president for
his assertion that he "took the initiative in creating
the Internet."

Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant
credit for his early recognition of the importance of what has
become the Internet.

I thought you might find this short summary of sufficient
interest to share it with Politech and the IP lists, respectively.

==============================================================

Al Gore and the Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his
role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official
to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we
know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in
the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual
leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high
speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on
how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating
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natu
ral disasters and other crises.

As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into
an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials
in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured the
passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.

As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as
well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies
that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for
continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private
sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of
extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today,
approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore
provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the
Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven
operation.

There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid growth
since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political support
for its privatization and continued support for research in advanced
networking technology. No one in public life has been more intellectually
engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the
Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the
councils of government and with the public at large.

The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value
of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and
consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American
citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.


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22001 Loudoun County Parkway
Building F2, Room 4115, ATTN: Vint Cerf
Ashburn, VA 20147
Telephone (703) 886-1690
FAX (703) 886-0047


"INTERNET IS FOR EVERYONE!"
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5-8 June 2001
Sweden International Fairs
Stockholm, Sweden
http://www.isoc.org/inet2001
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 05:02 PM
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6. Thanks again for the post salvorhardin, but for the life of me,
I cannot see how this was inopportune. Al Gore was applying for a job: The Presidency, what does anyone do when applying for a job? They submit a resume, they talk about their qualifications and their record. This was Al Gore's record, he was clearly talking about his legislative accomplishments and Wolf Blitzer knew this, that's why he did not say anything at time. It was not the right wing that hurt Al's credibility with this issue so much as it was our "fourth estate watchdogs", The very ones that were supposed to look out for the American People's interests and tell them the truth. The Washington Post, The New York Times, the major networks, I don't recall anyone coming out and stating this was slander except Paul Krugman. This was a coordinated effort to deceive the American People in determining their leader, and many of these same people would go on to lie about the facts in the run up to the war with Iraq. This was systemic throughout what passes for American Journalism, and until they come out and apologize to Al Gore and the American People for this deception, I see no reason not to tout Al Gore's achievements.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 05:13 PM
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7. Now the question is whether we can keep it that way.
So, the way to do it is to pressure Congress to support the concept of 'Network Neutrality' and prevent the next big bandwidth landgrab by the telco's and cable companies.

Http://www.savetheinternet.com

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=1421497

If you haven't already done so, click and sign the petitions.

:kick:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 05:29 PM
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8. Thanks GoneOffShore,
we desperately need to keep a neutral net. Have a good night.:hi:
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