Would You Rather Fitz Take Out Rove or Cheney?......nt

[global1]

[NoSheep]

1. Cheney.

[NoSheep]

2. But it's kind of a wild question. Both, of course need to go...

straight to hell.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

3. Why not

both ?

[Dora]

4. Cheney.

But he'll have to take out Rove to do it. What a shame.

[benddem]

both!!!! n/t

[Dr.Phool]

5. Yes,

Yes, of course!

[atreides1]

6. Rove

Of the two he's the biggest threat, remember he's the protege of Lee Atwater. Cheney doesn't have the finesse required to do what Rove does.

[napi21]

7. Rove. Cheney is old, and hasn't been looking very good recently.

Rove is young enough to do major damage to the US with his deceitful tactics for YEARS TO COME! He has spread his evile amoung many candidates and will continue to do so as long as he's free to do so. Cheney is close to becoming history.

[cpousnret]

i suggest we send him

2 double quarter lbs and a 6 pack of beer,hasten his oh well i better not say,gen hayden may be listening in

[cpousnret]

8. both

[pdxmom]

9. If they've both broken the law, then I want him to take out both. n/t

[Homer Wells]

10. BOTH!!!!!!!! n/t

[gasperc]

11. Rove

[rodeodance]

12. this is not a binary issue and therefore not a either/or question. all in

due time.

[pnwmom]

18. It could be a binary issue if Fitz offers a "get out of jail free"

card to Rove on the condition he testify against Cheney.

[godhatesrepublicans]

13. Cheney is the biggest threat to America of the 2, IMHO

"Balloon face McGoon" Rove is at the end of the day, just a pinhead with a knack for making Shrub look better to a (dwindling) base of supporters. Darth Cheney seems to me the "mastermind" behind a lot of the worst ideas coming out of the White House these days.

I'd cheer if either one was frogmarched out of the WH in handcuffs, but Darth Cheney is the bigger threat to America.

[DeepModem Mom]

14. Rove. Cheney will soon be out of the picture. Rove can work his evil...

the rest of his days.

[BlueManDude]

15. Rove leads to Cheney. n/t

[yellowcanine]

16. Why do we need to choose?

[Jack Rabbit]

17. Does it have to be an either/or question?

[pnwmom]

19. Might be, if Fitz uses one to "get" the other.

[madmark]

20. false choice

[Catherine Vincent]

21. To be honest, I'd rather he take me out.

LOL!

edit: okay, to be serious. I rather he take Rove out. And then Cheney can just retire in disgrace.

[pnwmom]

22. LOL!

And I tend to agree. Cheney probably won't last much longer anyway. And when he does go, someone just as bad will be put in his place.

[Writer]

30. LOL... I didn't notice your post until after I posted mine... but...

I'm with you on the "take me out, Fitz" bandwagon. LOL!!!

[brentspeak]

23. I'd rather just wait until Fitzgerald actually makes an announcement

[heartofthesiskiyou]

24. He can only get ROVE

Cheney would have to be congress by impeachment. P or VP can't be indited in office. Pres and Vice Pres could be prosecuted after they leave office. That's why Ford pardoned Nixon cause justice was looking at him and licking thier chops.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. I don't think there is any law

that says you can't indict the VP or even the President.

Usually, they resign before that happens so it has really been tested in about 200 years.

[heartofthesiskiyou]

27. Impeachment vs Inditment - Cheney

There is no absolute bar with the clear wording that says "A constitutional officer can not be indicted". As a matter of practice though as it is considered a "gray area" meaning it has never been tested or there is conflicting wording in the text of the US Constitution it is widely excepted that the method for both P & VP should be removed first, and that method is by impeachment, before any indictment should be handed down.

Burr a sitting President was in fact indicted, which he eluded by staying away from and out of New York and New Jersey that indicted him so it never got tested there. One has to go as far back as the Federalist Papers to get some kind of idea what the framers had in mind and even there it is froth with conflicting statements.

I've looked over legal writings on this and looked at the Constitution on the matter and really even basic tenets such as an out and out ban of prosecution of a sitting president in verbatim language is seemingly in conflict with other area like the "text of the Impeachment Judgment Clause". For these reasons it is generally agreed that it would be far easier and a cleaner case to impeach first and indict later in the case of both P & VP. The most authoritatively accepted analysis is probably the Bork analysis and it's just grey as hell. It's all over the board various renditions of yes you can and no you can't in the same document. The only REAL way to stay clear of any of the ambiguity is impeach first as far as I can read. Here's BORK but if you read it, be prepared to be just as if not more confused then before you read it. I think you'll conclude it's best to side step that can of worms and maybe someday somehow it will all get fix and ambiguity will be removed from the US Constitution but I'd give it a century or two. Until then most attorneys will stay away from grey, especially this one. That is impeach then indite stays clear. We know we can do that.

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm

[DoYouEverWonder]

28. Now a days

Resignation before indictment is much easier and a more common practice.

[heartofthesiskiyou]

31. The sky is blue

Whether removal is by resignation or impeachment is irrelevant. It's the same thing. Removal first. The important point as far as contributing to the thread is will or can Fritz indite Cheney. My point here, as most are saying 'go get both', is understand the grey area, or better yet not complicate the understanding of a complex legal issue to suffice, this is ROVE now and maybe somehow, maybe, Cheney later.

I don't wish to see every one breaking out the popcorn around waiting for a Fritz indictment coming on Cheney. Fritz could very well supply and hand over evidence to the House to build a case there, but don't expect Fritz will indite at the GJ. I'll be one surprised dude should that occur. I might even cry bogus. They're shooting for a double jeopardy trap or something to throw out a charge later on appeal or something. But my take on Fritz is he'll have no part in any games.

I do expect Fritz, as a goop prosecutor will try and turn Rove and gather evidence against Cheney. That's the issue I'm chomping popcorn on over time around at the moment.

[Joey Liberal]

26. Cheney - the rat bastard needs to be in jail nt

[Writer]

29. Forget either of them... I'm waiting to be "taken out" myself...

:D :loveya: :D