Do you support amnesty?

[Tiggeroshii]

Just wanting to see.. Overall do you support the general idea of amnesty?

[sandnsea]

1. Nobody is proposing amnesty

So it's rather a pointless poll.

[SlipperySlope]

2. Amnesty is EXACTLY what Bush just proposed

[sandnsea]

10. No, he proposed McCain-Kennedy

Almost word for word. That bill has all kinds of compromises so Bush could get his temporary worker program in there, which is all we'll end up with if we aren't careful. Now, allowing people to just sign up for that and nothing else, that would be amnesty and a tragedy. But the right wing will try to whittle away all the Democratic provisions, the path to citizenship provisions. Those are the provisions that are being labeled as amnesty and those are the provisions that will keep immigrants from being exploited because they won't be afraid of being sent back home if they stand up for their rights. Democrats have also been trying to get better border security which Bush has underfunded. That piece of information is being lost in the debate too. Once again, Democrats have the exact right plan but people in our own party are helping the right wingers distort the issue so badly that nobody knows what's really going on.

[Tiggeroshii]

4. somebody just suggested a majority of dems oppose it

they even said that the unscientific DU polls suggested as much. I am seeing if the latter is correct. So far, not as much

[sandnsea]

7. Opposing isn't proposing

Dems oppose amnesty. That's correct.

[Tiggeroshii]

8. I really want to see a poll that says as much.

sscientific or not

[sandnsea]

11. What your poll will show

Is the number of people who have no clue what the hell is going on, that's all.

[Tiggeroshii]

13. Again

Scientific poll below... zogby. 51-29% of Dems support amnesty

[sandnsea]

19. Helping to create that bullshit wedge issue

Not surprised.

[Tiggeroshii]

12. I found one.

According to zogby, 51% support amnesty.

"Among Democrats nationwide, 51% favor amnesty, while 29% oppose it and another 20% said they are unsure. Among Republicans, just 13% said they favor amnesty, while 76% said they oppose such an offer."

http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1100

[mortlefaucheur]

23. W/all due respect, I am.

Why not?
You're perhaps obsoletely informed if you don't get what a political gold-mine this is going to be for Dems...
Look at what the voters voted for in Mexico! That should be replicated through voter registration OutReach.
I want illegals to get registered and vote... the Pukes are reeling, and it's not 9-11 anymore.
Isolate and infiltrate MurKKKa...

[BillZBubb]

3. Some sort of amnesty is the only possible humane solution.

We, as Democrats, could never (I hope) support rounding up 11 million people and herding them out of the country. These people have been here for years and have children who are US citizens. Do we break up families?

If we want to avoid problems like this in the future, we have to attack the problem at its source: businesses hiring illegals. Throw the business people in jail for a while--they'll quickly stop hiring. If there is no demand here for illegal labor, they won't come. If there is demand, you can be certain they will come.

[Broken_Hero]

6. agreed

some sort of amnesty, is probably one of the only workable solutions. Building the Great Wall of America, or deporting millions of people, breaking up families, and what not, is probably not going to happen, and in truth, are bad ideas. But W is in charge, so who knows, what will happen....

[LeFleur1]

15. Amnesty

Let's say a family came here 17 years ago from Mexico. They dragged their one month old kid across the border illegally with them. The kid is an illegal, but he had no choice in the matter.
The kid has never seen Mexico. He has lived in America his whole life, gone to public schools, churches, belonged to clubs. Should he be sent back to Mexico when they round up illegal immigrants?

[Broken_Hero]

20. no, the kid shouldn't be sent back

and i'm not advocating that, at all. I'm not for W's amnesty/guest worker thing, but I am for some form of amnesty. We can't deport them all back, the cost/manpower, and emotional strain, would be horrendous. I'm a bit to liberal in this area, i admit. If it was up to me, I would have all the illegals, come out, if you pass a lengthy back ground check, to make sure you weren't a criminal, or terrorist, or what have you, come on in....I guess, i'm more for Amnesty than anything, but i recognize the fact, that yes, we need to protect our border, and I see no issue with letting any immigrant in, if they pass a back ground check, or some form of test.

Back in Alaska, my friend, Vivian, went through the citizenshiip process, and it didn't take her too long to get in, but i'm not sure if the state of alaska, has rougher rules, or less stringent rules, than the border states in our SW portion of the USA. It took Vivian a year, to become a citizen. I'm more for having less red tape to let these people in, if they arent criminals, pass a back ground check, let them in, thats what i say...but i'm sure, i'm missing some points, and angles, but for now, thats where I find myself, on the issue.

[mortlefaucheur]

24. The Answer is No

Once the family reaches the soil of the 4th Reich ( United States), they should immediately file suit against the racist-fascist MurKKKan Sheeple.
Clog their Federal Courts with lawsuits!
Is it too soon to ask Free Moussaoui?

[PsN2Wind]

17. No amnesty

no more Border Patrol, no troops. More INS and inspection of the people hiring illegals. Serious penalties for the employers, such as contractors losing their license, will make them think twice about what they are doing. When the employment dries up the illegal immigrants they will be turning themselves in for a ride home.
And I believe what is being proposed is definitely amnesty but Dems and Repubs are trying to dance around and not call it that. When someone has been in violation of the law for years and are now being told that upon clearing an investigation and paying a small penalty that they suddenly become LEGAL, they have received amnesty and been rewarded for violating the law.

[BillZBubb]

27. "rewarded for violating the law"--WHAT BULLSHIT

Oh, my we can't have that! You cannot be serious.

First off the law was never enforced and jobs were allowed to be given to people. They were allowed to start families and put down roots. In effect it was a sort of entrapment. They were baited and hooked by the promise of getting jobs and earning a living. The law was asymmetric and a joke. It was meant to be broken while the US looked the other way. And you know it.

Now, you hard ass types without an ounce of humanity, want to bounce them out of the country. And how come? How come all of the sudden this is such a pressing issue? How come supposed progressives are eager to attack the weakest amongst us? It's disgusting and you should be ashamed.

[PsN2Wind]

33. "Bounce them from the country"

I said enforce the law at the work sites. When the people working on phony documentation, a felony, no longer have jobs they'll go home on their own. I don't consider myself a hard ass type but my first responsibility is to my fellow citizens not the unemployables of other nations. You types that are eager to see illegal aliens take citizens jobs are those without humanity.
So spare me the morally superior bullshit.

[katinmn]

30. Businesses have gotten away with not paying health care

and liveable wages to American workerss. They are allowed to do this by hiring illegals who work for extremely low wages and demand no benefits.

What Bush is aiming at is allowing businesses to keep their cheap labor. American quality of life continues to decline. Illegals get the dregs and no one is happy except the one making a nice profit.

In the end we all lose together.

[godhatesrepublicans]

5. No, I think Bush and Cheney should serve their time in prison.

I assume that was the question?

www.godhatesrepublicans.org!!!

[Tiggeroshii]

9. yes!

=P

[Kablooie]

14. Yes, we should let the draft dodgers come home.

[McCamy Taylor]

16. Amnesty for everyone! (Except corporate criminals, they know better)

[johnnyrocket]

18. Please say you support amnesty to the face of an immigrant..

...who waited in line, played by the rules, filled out the papers, and took the oath.

Right to their face, essentially call them a sucker.

[guidod]

21. A blanket amnesty no.

They all should have to go to the back of the line and start from there. But I can't see trucks going out and rounding up illeal people and takig them back to their cuntry.

[jerry611]

22. It is insanity to support amnesty

We give Amnesty to 10-20 million illegal aliens, it means they will be allowed to bring every member of their family to the United States. The amount of unskilled labor in the US will increase SEVENFOLD!

We will have 126 MILLION more people here by 2026.

This is insanity, man! How in god's name are we supposed to take care of that many people with a national debt of $10 trillion dollars?

America is going to be a 3rd world nation. We are going to become one of the poorest countries on earth. The middle class is going to evaporate! Why? Because we are too politically correct. We are too damn stupid.

[Gin]

25. I Propose....securing the borders... and....fining the employers.

make them hurt in the only thing they understand...the pocketbook.

The illegals would go home once the work dries up.

[Adelante]

26. Who is proposing amnesty?

Just because Lou Dobbs calls something amnesty does not make it amnesty. A yes or no poll on amnesty has nothing to do with anything in reality.

[katinmn]

28. It's much more complicated than just amnesty

We haven't had a workable and fair immigration policy for 30 or 40 years.

A good policy will balance the needs of working people as well as industry. Just giving amnesty without fixing other problems like lack of a liveable wage and health care, our social insecurity system and outsourcing of high paying jobs, will make everything worse.

The Bush Administration fails on many fronts but they are the worst at developing workable policies.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Why can't we enforce the existing laws and secure the borders 1st?

On Edit: I hope this doesn't blow my *far left* reputation with some folks here. :blush:

[Jai4WKC08]

31. I don't know if it's amnesty or not

But I sure don't see how we can deport that many people. And I think it's a VERY bad idea to have them here without a path to citizenship.

I lived in Western Europe for 5 years, back in the '80s. They import workers from places like Turkey, the Balkan states, and other poorer nations. So they have a fairly large population that remains unassimilated and generally outside the larger society, as well as unable to participate in the government they live under. It's wrong, it's stupid, and in the long run, it's dangerous.

[nickshepDEM]

32. Where is the option for FUCK No?

I do not support rewarding any form of illegal activity.

Whats next? We start rewarding people for robbing banks? I mean, afterall, they were just trying to support their family.

[primative1]

34. Close the borders ...

Realisticaly, if you're here I would not be one to suggest you are forced to leave, but enough is enough. CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW, and then lets talk about the rest.

[Vinca]

35. The so-called "Path to Citizenship" is not workable.

Who will follow 11 million or so people for more than a decade to be sure they are following the requirements? They should apply for a green card like every other immigrant and if they pass muster they stay, if they don't they go home. I'm particularly amused by the notion that if you've been here longer - breaking the law longer - you stand to gain more than the poor slob who arrived yesterday. Yesterday I read somewhere there are people who applied more than 20 years ago to get into this country and they're still in line. Is it fair to say it's okay for some if they happen to be able to sneak into the country while the others who have been patiently waiting to come are left in line? It's an impossible situation and I haven't got a solution, but creating a giant governmental program to follow millions of people around for years seems idiotic.