I am so disgusted with John Kerry

[buff2]

I never did care too much for him in the first place,but when he became our nominee for President,I supported him whole heartedly. I donated to his campaign,I did phone calling for him and went to see him when he was here campaigning.... waiting for hours for his arrival. He didn't fight the swift boat lying machine and the smearing of his record in the service,and he didn't fight the results of the election,when it's a well known fact that there was fraud all over the place.


Then,this morning I picked up the local newspaper and read an article on him being at a fundraiser for Ted Strickland who is running for Governor here in Ohio. Of all the things for him to say to the reporters,is that he thinks the results of his race against dim-son was LEGITIMATE. Why do these Democratic politicians have to constantly have their heads buried in the sand? Why can't they see,hear and feel what is going on out here in the REAL world?

If he runs again,tough shit. He will not get my vote,my support or my money.I am sick to death of our politicians always caving in.......always being weak with no fight in them whatsoever.People will believe all the lies put out by the repukes against a Democrat because the Democrat never disputes a thing they say,so it appears it's the truth.

The republicans play dirty.....and against weak Democratic opponent pussies who refuse to fight for what is right and for what they believe in,and most of all they refuse to fight all the lies and smears. No wonder we "lose" so many elections. :grr:

[MissWaverly]

1. I believe he will not run

I heard a comment by him that the Democrats brand you a loser for life when you lose an
election. I believe he would have had a chance had he contested the election. I do
not believe it was legitimate and what is the price of our "playing nice." Well, Kenneth
Blackwell, who was one of the key players in that fiasco, gets a chance to do it all again.
I know you are frustrated but I think Kerry will drop out in the early primaries, I support
either Gore, Feingold or Clark. Let's hope we get a strong candidate this time.

[blm]

25. And I think you don't know Kerry. The only one of the 3 you mentioned who

lent a hand and FOUGHT in 2004 was Clark. You didn't see any other namebrand Dems sticking their necks out to to fight for Dems in 2004 the way that Giuliani, McCain and Dole fought almost every single day for Bush.

You think Bush beat Kerry, or did his A Team show up and do it for him every day?

[MissWaverly]

148. I was not attacking Kerry

I was just quoting him, I do not think that he would make that comment if he was going to run
again. I honestly believe that Kerry would have a chance to be the 2008 candidate if he
had contested Ohio and he didn't.

[globalvillage]

2. Which paper and what was the quote?

I didn't see that in this article.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060521/NEWS09/605210449

[MH1]

12. Let's see...here's what the Blade quoted:

(from your link)

"Ask your Republican and Independent friends: 'Do you think things are better now,' " Mr. Kerry, the Massachusetts senator who ran for president in 2004, told the rally at the Toledo train station where he was campaigning for Mr. Strickland.

He joked that one reason Mr. Strickland gets along so well with Republicans is because he met so many in his previous career - as a prison psychologist.

And he said allegations that Democrats don't have any ideas are indeed true - with a big "if." If ideas mean running up deficits and letting the pharmaceutical companies write the drug bills, he said, "then we don't share those ideas."

Democrats' ideas for the nation, he said, include:

# "Export products, not jobs."

# "Do something serious about global warming and clean up our lakes and streams."

# "Honor work, not wealth" in systems for collecting taxes and providing health care and education. "I think it has been a disastrous administration for the average working person."

# Encourage "Iraq to stand up for Iraq and want democracy as much as we want democracy for Iraq."

# Fire and hold accountable the "incompetent" leaders from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on down. On the way to his vehicle after his speech, Mr. Kerry called Mr. Rumsfeld's decisions "a string of incompetence" that led to a lack of armor and equipment for U.S. troops.

"There are kids who lost their lives because of the decisions he made against common sense," Mr. Kerry said.

[blm]

29. Send your link to a moderator - I believe attack posts against Dems need

proper sources or they will be deleted.

[MH1]

49. I alerted about 45 minutes ago. Hopefully others have too.

We'll see if unsubstantiated attacks on leading Democrats is acceptable on DU.

:popcorn:

[blm]

56. If the mod reads the links you provided, then they'll probably delete the

post that does NOT provide a link for their claim against Kerry.

[buff2]

62. It was in the Columbus Dispatch.

[saltpoint]

66. Hi, buff2. We're link-prone junkies around here and would have

loved to have a link.

Context is everything, and some of us get our hackles up and extend our claws when one isn't provided.

Sailors like a bar that stays open late on weekends. We like links.

[buff2]

142. I'm sorry I didn't provide one......it's my fault,no one else's.

I honestly didn't intend to make this a flame thread. I posted when I shouldn't have.....in the heat of the moment. Nothing gets me riled up more than the thought of bu$h being pRESIDENT and our guys losing to him. My posts ARE full of rage,but it's not intended to offend my fellow DU'ers. My whole family supports chimpy,and some of my friends do too. I don't have many people I can confide in as to how I feel. I've made a lot of people mad,and I am truly sorry. Have a nice day Old C. I won't post anything anymore without a link. :hi:

[MH1]

67. So why not a link or an actual quote?

And why take so long to answer the most basic question?

[blm]

77. The RW leaning Columbus Dispatch? Is it a direct quote from Kerry or is

it something the reporter concluded and added to his article?

And, please tell us which Democrat you are supporting who IS working to expose machine fraud? Because that is the person I will probably support, too.

[MH1]

123. Oh, the irony.

(directed at the op and its supporters, not you blm)

Direct quote from the op:

The republicans play dirty.....and against weak Democratic opponent pussies who refuse to fight for what is right and for what they believe in,and most of all they refuse to fight all the lies and smears. No wonder we "lose" so many elections.

Hmmm. I suppose us rank and file Dems have zero obligation to exercise discernment in evaluating what we read and who is promulgating it, huh?

I guess it doesn't help Rove/Norquist and their boys (and girls) with their dirty work at all when we just read this shit and run with it for them, huh?

(Thanks blm for the insight. I know you have a handle on who's who in the newspaper business. Too bad not all of us do. Of ocurse it is really hard when the newspaper's name isn't even given.)

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MH1]

15. "World Socialist Website" article from 2002? Why?

If that site is what I think it is, they have about as much credibility as Counterpuke - and that's about nil.

[blm]

28. Did Gore say the elections were rigged? Did Feingold? Did Clinton? Did any

one?

The DNC did NOT believe in machine fraud in 2004 and THAT is why BushInc got away with it. The machines need securing BEFORE the election because AFTER is TOO LATE.

[karynnj]

63. I'm confused I thought that the Kerry running was the one who investigated

Iran/Contra and BCCI over the objections of the party establishment. The John Kerry would was willing to fight corruption even if high level Democrats were quilty (as they were in BCCI) seems an unlikely candidate to be one who upholds the class system.

I seriously doubt Gore was bought off - this is utter garbage.

[Mass]

4. Given Kerry said exactly the opposite last week on Stephanie Miller

and that you cant even give us a quote, I prefer to stand by what I heard.

[blondeatlast]

7. I'm with you. nt

[ProSense]

10. Link to the Stephanie Miller interview here:

http://www.stephaniemiller.com/bits/2006_0517_kerry.mp3

[globalvillage]

11. That was a great interview.

http://www.kerrysupport.com/media/stephanie_miller_john...


I love Stephanie Miller.

[blondeatlast]

5. (sigh)

[Mass]

6. Sigh because people are credulous. (Not you).

[blondeatlast]

13. The really painful thing is that this thread has 3 nominations already. nt

[MH1]

8. Link? Please, do back up your statement.

Some of us would like to see the context at least. Assuming such a statement was even made. The absence of a link or citation information is HIGHLY suspect. Either of you or of the source - how do we even know what your local paper is? There are plenty of right wing rags that pass themselves off as "local papers" and straight out lie as well as misquote.

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. This quote needs a link or it shouldn't be quoted n/t

[blondeatlast]

14. NO LINK and THREE nominations? Wise the F up, DU! nt

[MH1]

16. [OT] How many trolls do you think hang out at DU on Sunday mornings.

Just wondering. Background info, ya know.

:popcorn:

[blondeatlast]

17. Aha--I thought I was alone sensing the pattern...

Just sayin'...

[Breeze54]

18. Well, in my opinion,

he's a lawyer and this hasn't been determined yet, has it? Isn't it still in the courts?
As a lawyer and this still being in litigation, doesn't he have to be quiet?

http://www.caseohio.org/lawsuits.htm
Lawsuits Pending
Date Title
12/17/04 - Election Fraud Suit of 12/13/04 Re-filed
More info on Moss v. Bush
12/16/04 - Arnebeck, Fitrakis, & Truitt's Motion on Diebold (Voting Machine Co.)
12/10/04 - Kerry Lawyers vs. Triad (Voting Machine Company)
12/15/04 - Professor's Affidavit on Triad Tampering
12/15/04 - Kerry's Lawyers Demand Investigation into Tampering

Lawsuits Settled
Date Title Outcome
12/13/04 - Moss v. Bush (Election Fraud Suit) see 12/16/04
12/16/04 - Ohio Chief Justice Throws Out Moss v. Bush on Technicality - Dismissed

----------------------------------

Kerry/Edwards File More Ohio Election Motions
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/2/24/183243/756
------------------------

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2006/1964
Will the major media finally cover the electronic election fraud issue?
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
May 15, 2006

Do you think that's the time and place for him to address this, at a Dem fundraiser?
I don't. The spotlight is supposed to be on Strickland, isn't it?

The Dems ads in Ohio are talking about the voting machines though.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/14622355.htm
snip--> "The GOP ad compares the pair as being "flip-floppers" and as favoring higher taxes." <--snip

snip--> "The Democrats' ad, which doesn't mention Strickland, criticizes Blackwell's holdings
in companies that manufacture slot machines and voting machines."

-------------------------------------
And Strickland is leading in the polls, is he not?
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11944
snip--> United States congressman Ted Strickland is the frontrunner in Ohio’s
gubernatorial race, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports.
52 per cent of respondents in the Buckeye State would vote for the Democrat in this
year’s election,
while 36 per cent would support Republican state secretary Ken Blackwell <--snip
--------------------------
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060521/NEWS09/605210449

Kerry also said:

"Ask your Republican and Independent friends: 'Do you think things are better now,'"
Mr. Kerry, the Massachusetts senator who ran for president in 2004, told the rally at
the Toledo train station where he was campaigning for Mr. Strickland.

He joked that one reason Mr. Strickland gets along so well with Republicans is because
he met so many in his previous career - as a prison psychologist.

And he said allegations that Democrats don't have any ideas are indeed true - with a big "if."
If ideas mean running up deficits and letting the pharmaceutical companies write the drug bills,
he said, "then we don't share those ideas."

Democrats' ideas for the nation, he said, include:

# "Export products, not jobs."

# "Do something serious about global warming and clean up our lakes and streams."

# "Honor work, not wealth" in systems for collecting taxes and providing health care
and education.
"I think it has been a disastrous administration for the average working person."

# Encourage "Iraq to stand up for Iraq and want democracy as much as we want
democracy for Iraq."

# Fire and hold accountable the "incompetent" leaders from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
on down. On the way to his vehicle after his speech, Mr. Kerry called Mr. Rumsfeld's decisions
"a string of incompetence" that led to a lack of armor and equipment for U.S. troops.

"There are kids who lost their lives because of the decisions he made against common sense,"
Mr. Kerry said.

Mr. Strickland said the eyes of the nation are on Ohio in national elections, and that gives
local residents' votes far more power than people living in one-party powerhouse states,
such as California, Texas, and New York.

"We are the privileged citizens," he said of voters who have a good chance to swing the nation.
"The key is in our hands. After we give Ohio back to Ohioans in '06, we will take that key and
give the country back to the American people in '08."

And that, he said, would set a course back to prosperity by reducing waste and corruption.
Tom Noe and Coingate are only a symptom, he said, of what he called the larger problem of
an "incompetent, corrupt, and arrogant" state administration.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:shrug:
Mind you I just woke up and I've only had one cup of :donut: , no donuts though!
:)

[MH1]

22. Which one of those was the LWV lawsuit, and do you know where that stands?

I think that is the most important one. That addresses a host of issues including voter suppression. It will not overturn 2004 - the laws were inadequate, that is the whole point - but it can effect corrections that will prevent this in the future or at least provide better remedies. As I understand it, anyway.

[Breeze54]

52. I'm not sure. Here's the link -

LWV ? Please refresh my memory. OK, got it.
League of Women Voter's. :crazy: lol, I need more coffee! ;)

TADA!!! :rofl:
http://www.lwvohio.org/lawsuit.htm (Updates available)
Non-Partisan Lawsuit Seeks to Redress Decade-Old Constitutional
Defects in the Way Ohio Conducts Elections

July 28, 2005 – (Toledo, OH) –
Seeking to redress decades-old Constitutional defects in the way Ohio conducts federal
elections, the League of Women Voters of Ohio, the League of Women Voters of Toledo-Lucas
County, and more than a dozen Ohio citizens today filed a historic, non-partisan lawsuit
against the State of Ohio.

SEE ALSO: http://www.ohioelects.com/lwv/
The League of Women Voters of Ohio 2006 Primary Guide

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You answered this question in April!! :)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2214621
;)

[RandomKoolzip]

19. I am so disgusted with anti-John Kerry posts. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

20. There is a whiff of pro-Hillary mischief at work in here

Gore and Kerry are under attack by people that support Hillary's Presidential ambitions.

[RandomKoolzip]

31. Whatever. Just give me a Dem in charge and I'll be happy.

[buff2]

72. Is there something wrong with Hillary?

I'm not supporting anyone right now because I haven't heard who is running for sure. Have you heard? If so,please let me know who it is ok? Thanks. Buff2

[saltpoint]

37. Not me! I can't get enough of 'em! There's a list of stuff we all

should look forward to with relish, and one of them, for me, is anti-Kerry posts on DU.

The more of 'em, the better I like it.

The more vitriolic and dismissive, the better.

If they can somehow combine snark with overt disrespect of public citizenship, then I'm likely to be drooling all over my keyboard.

Anything that stands as a dismissive, petulant assault on a demonstrated public servant with brains and class is OK BY ME!

It's what being an American is all about.

[RandomKoolzip]

44. Wow. We have so much in common.

I'm waiting for the Kerry = Hitler posts to start in earnest. I'll pop the biggest boner when that happens.....

[IndyOp]

21. Hey! He stayed up on November 3rd to make sure votes would count!

In his speech at Kenyon College yesterday, John Kerry said: "We were determined not to concede until our team had checked every possibility. If you could stay up all night to vote, WE COULD CERTAINLY STAY UP THE NEXT DAY to make sure your vote would count. In the end, we couldn’t close the gap. We would have given anything to have fulfilled your hopes."

I believed the John Kerry faithful who posted here that "Kerry was working behind the scenes in November & December of 2004." They were wrong and I was wrong to believe them.

While 1,000's of Americans pleaded with Cobb and Badnarik to recount Ohio,
While 1,000's donated to pay for that recount,
While 100's and 100's participated in the recount and in voting forums and walked Ohio to survey voters,
While 1,000's wrote OpEds and Letters to the Editor to get the word out about the theft of the 2004 election,
While Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Senator Barbara Boxer demonstrated the COURAGE of lions in standing to contest the Ohio Electoral votes,
While we worked and faxed and phoned and cried and yelled and prayed,
Senator Kerry was at peace. He had moved on. He did what he had to do on November 3rd to make sure the votes counted.

P.S. I don't want to hear a bleeping word about the amicus briefs Kerry/Edwards filed in support of OTHER PEOPLE'S LAWSUITS. I don't want to hear a word about legislation proposed and passed by the good Senator to protect future votes.

[ProSense]

23. Got evidence? And I don't want to hear about a book! Solid evidence! n/t

[MH1]

24. Do you understand the simple MATH?

120,000 vote difference. 150,000 provisional ballots - which were ultimately counted.

NOT A CHANCE IN HELL that 150,000 provisionals would reverse a gap of 120,000.

THE REAL ISSUE WAS VOTER SUPPRESSION AND THAT WAS ALL LEGAL

And what the HELL are YOU doing about it? You think legislation to make it possible to put perpetrators in jail DOESN'T MATTER?

[ProSense]

27. This is on the greatest page. People need to see the left's

version of swiftboating, which ignore facts, repeat inaccuracies and distort reality.

[mopinko]

35. and told mark crispin miller he knew he was robbed

then denied it. fuck you john kerry. hope you choke on your $50M legal defense fund.

[MH1]

59. Another unsubstantiated rumor. Fall for lies often? nt

[karynnj]

78. Miller had a vested interest in spreading the story

Strange that his version of the conversation would be rejected as unlikely in a TV show or play - seeing that film criticism is Miller's field of expertize.

Consider:

Miller: "You were Robbed"
Kerry "Yeah"
Then NO followup - put yourself in Miller's role - would you simply let it drop, or ask for details on what he intended to do or which things convinced him. To drop it and then take the conversation as the basis to write a major article and several media appearances is sneaky and putting far too much weight on a vague comment.

Seems he really didn't want to folllow up because a full Kerry answer would likely be the answer he has given all along. (Kerry's answer on Stephanie Miller is essentially that they know they lost a substantial number of votes To legal (but dirty) Republican actions. Add in all the lies - again not legal, but not fair - and Kerry was cheated. But that is not the basis of a legal suit.

[blm]

40. Then PROVIDE HIS OFFICE WITH THE PROOF YOU HAVE. And cc the DNC.

Because there is no proof of machine fraud AFTER a vote. The machines need to be secured BEFORE the vote, but the Clinton-MacAuliffe DNC did not believe in machine fraud.

Kerry had only the numbers they had and an Ohio Dem infrastructure that was in no way prepared to do what needed to be done. Why don't you challenge why Clinton and MacAuliffe allowed a crucial state like Ohio's infrastructure to become so weakened after 1997 and especially after 2000, where it was so close? They let the GOP take it over in 1997 and never lifted a finger to strengthen it. Dean practically had to start from scratch in Ohio in 2005.

[karynnj]

70. You are completely distorting a simple sentence

The fact was that all the things those 1000s did - didn't do the ONLY thing that would have changed things - TO PROVIDE CLEAR LEGAL EVIDENCE that Kerry won Ohio (or sufficient other states.

[blm]

26. Please provide a cite for your claim. And WHICH Dem candidate IS working

to expose machine fraud?

[babylonsister]

30. Hit and run, and why? Stirring this shit again? nt

[ProSense]

33. Maybe because it was the headline, not Kerry's quote

Kerry mentions no smoking gun suggesting illegitimacy, but the headline mentions legitimate.

Kerry returns to Ohio, admits 2008 on mind

Senator, campaigning for Strickland, rues close loss in state in 2004, but says results were legitimate
Sunday, May 21, 2006
Mark Niquette
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

MICHAEL P . KING ASSOCIATED PRESS
Sen. John Kerry walks on the campus of Kenyon College, on his way to give the commencement address. He campaigned for Democrats much of the day.

UTICA, Ohio – Returning yesterday to the state that cost him the presidency in 2004, Democratic U.S. Sen. John Kerry said he’s accepted that defeat and is "very, very seriously" considering another run for president in 2008.

Snip...

It was in Gambier where some students waited as long as 14 hours to vote because of a lack of voting machines—one of many problems with the 2004 election in Ohio that have some Kerry supporters convinced to this day that he won.

Snip...

But Kerry said that although there were serious problems in the Ohio election, he still hasn’t seen any "smoking gun" to suggest the result was illegitimate.

"I knew what the stakes were, and if I thought for one instant that we had illegitimacy, obviously I would have dealt with it," Kerry said. "But I had to make a tough decision based on the evidence that we had."

more...

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/05/21/20060521-B6-01.html

It's what he's been saying all along and what he said on Stephanie Miller's show in more detail.

[babylonsister]

42. It's very irritating, seeing lies spouted but then not defended.

As we know. Sigh.

[saltpoint]

32. Disappointed in John Kerry? Me, too. I really lost faith with him when

he gave those smallpox-infested blankets to the Plains Indians.

That was just a rotten thing to do.

And don't get me going on the pit bull fights he runs in 43 major cities.

[globalvillage]

34. Link?

:-)

[saltpoint]

41. LOL! Oh yeah -- the link. I think I read it in a tourist brochure along

I-90 last summer.

[blondeatlast]

36. Psst... don't forget the chemtrails... nt

[saltpoint]

45. LOL! Yes!! Kerry renting a private plane WITH TERESA'S MONEY and

flying over the heartland of this nation spraying neurotoxic chemicals on the unsuspecting, cornfed commoners, and then LAUGHING GLEEFULLY from up high as the philistine yahoos succumb to the vapors.

"That'll teach those ORDINARY people who's Who!" Kerry was heard to yell as he flew over the midwest, jabbing his raised third finger at churches and schools and community centers as he passed over.

[Kenergy]

38. Feingold '08 n/t

[blm]

43. Yeah - because he is on the case of the rigged machines.

.

[IndyOp]

102. Is Feingold on the case about rigged machines? The last I heard

was from Brad on Bradblog who asked Russ about the issue. Brad thought Feingold was a little 'vague' on the issue... :shrug:

[MH1]

53. Yep I really like how fast he came out urging investigation into DSM

(the Downing Street Minutes, for those of poor memory or attention span)

Oh wait..that was JOHN KERRY who called for investigation of DSM...sent a letter to the Intelligence Committee...with 9 other signatures.

Yep I'm glad Feingold supported that and signed the letter. OH WAIT...he DIDN'T.

Sigh.

[mtnsnake]

39. Everyone's asking the OPer for links. He/she said it was a local newspaper

article that they read this morning. Maybe that's why they can't post a link to it?

Just the same, you gotta think that the OPer would at least reply with some kind of explanation requested by all the people asking. The least he could do is supply us with the name of the local newspaper and type up part of the article from it.

:shrug:

[MH1]

47. If not a link then the NAME OF THE PAPER.

The failure to provide ANY citation information makes this a TROLLISH post.

The hit and run just amazes me from someone who seems to be a long time DUer. Or maybe it shouldn't. :shrug:

[mtnsnake]

51. Exactly what I suggested in the previous post

The least he could do is supply us with the name of the local newspaper and type up part of the article from it.

See? :smoke:

[MH1]

57. Yep. Just reiterating.

:smoke:

[saltpoint]

48. Ah, but mtnsnake, you have made the grievous error of advancing a

responsible position. How dare you?

How dare you ask that a personal position by the OP be based on some kind of established ground?

Outrageous! You must be one of those furtive COMMUNISTS Joe McCarthy used to talk about!

_____

Good point. :thumbsup: :hi:

[mtnsnake]

54. Some nerve, eh!

:hi:

[MelissaB]

50. I read Ohio newspapers online all the time and post articles

in the "daily thread" in Election Reform. "Local" can be found online...

[Vektor]

46. Please tell us the name of the newspaper,

and either provide a link to the paper's website, or type the article in its entirely so we can see in which context your assertion was ACTUALLY spoken by Kerry, if at all.

It's difficult to believe your claims are accurate when you provide a harsh accusation with no sources, followed by a litany of insults, a broad brush stroke attack on the Democratic Party, and profanity.

Your post rings more of a personal attack fueled by bitterness and a desire to insult others than it does an actual commentary on a credible news article.

[saltpoint]

55. Who needs a goddam newspaper? If Kerry's involved, you KNOW

there is sinister and evil work afoot!

Because he is such a filthy slimeball that he would merely live for the sole purpose of disappointing DU posters. Kerry LIVES to betray DU posters. It's his sole ambition now and it always was. He DREAMED years ago that the web would sanction sites like this one and he BURNED in his bones and blood to be the one to betray posters' personal hopes.

If the Swiftboat Liars don't need facts to fling their character assassinations, why should we hold a one-horse town in Ohio accountable?

If the subject is Kerry, then the theme is UNPARDONABLE TRANSGRESSION.

[MH1]

58. ROFLMAO

Now is the time I wish DU had "categories" like dkos...this one (the OP!) would get the "troll diary" tag for sure.

(Edited for clarification!)

[saltpoint]

61. MH1. Mine or the OP's? I'm not a troll. I voted for Kerry-Edwards

with all my heart.

True & honest.

[MH1]

64. Of course I meant the OP! (Sorry!)

On dailykos a diary is the "op" and is the only thing that can be tagged, not the individual comments.

Sorry I didn't make that clear! Your post is great!!

[saltpoint]

68. Hi to you, MH1. Thanks for that. (sighs in relief!) -- /nt

[Vektor]

65. Rumor has it,

that Kerry himself has literally pissed in the Corn Flakes of several DUers. I realize this is just a figure of speech IN MOST CASES, but in this case, he actually, literally, URINATED IN THE BREAKFAST CEREAL of these poor, downtrodden souls.

Oddly, he has also been rumored to do this in a stealthy, sneaky manner, a method he learned during his dark days as a goat-blood drinking DARK LIEGE in Skull and Bones. In the instance of one particular DUer, - the poor gal was dining on Corn Flakes just this morning, (prior to this very post) on the first floor of an Ohio building, when John MF'n Kerry, shockingly, urinated into her cereal from the THIRD FLOOR of the same building.

Eyewitnesses claimed "We saw what appeared to be a large fire hose unfurling from the third story window. Then, it snaked into the ground floor window like a rogue Anaconda, and unleashed a stream of what appeared to be urine into a woman's breakfast cereal! The victim immediately ran to a computer keyboard and began typing furiously, after taking a long, lingering look at the Anaconda."

I read the whole account in a local newspaper, and MAN was I disgusted.

DAMN THAT KERRY AND HIS FILTHY ANACONDA.

[saltpoint]

71. Good god, Vektor. That one is one for the ages. I was sitting here

HOWLING like a monkey at several places. My neighbors have no doubt already phoned the asylum truck and pleasant men in white suits will be arriving shortly.

So this may be my last post. But wanted to say that you took the cake with that one.

"Rogue Anaconda" !!

[Vektor]

74. Apparently -

"Rouge Anaconda" was his Black Ops code name when he was an S&B Liege Lord.

A particularly brave reporter captured this rare photo of Kerry "bringing the pain" to a south Florida lawn party:


Shortly after, the reporter was found dead and the two women in the picture were found smoking.

:smoke:

[saltpoint]

100. LOL!!! Ok, stop it! I have to BREATHE!

This is a keeper thread for sure.

Lots and lots of fun.

For that bottom photo, this caption: "Hang THIS chad, dammit!"

[Vektor]

114. Well ya know...

Kerry has the most well-hung chad in the Senate.

[saltpoint]

125. His chad is BAD.

It's always those long lean liberals, ain't it?

[Vektor]

131. Of course...

hence all the envy and pedophilia from the Republicans.

[saltpoint]

134. o o o

Not one Rethug GOPPER
can match John Kerry's whopper.

Won't work for a campaign theme exactly, but we could write it on restroom walls coast to coast.

[globalvillage]

73. LOL

Link?

[Vektor]

76. See follow up post.

And check your PM for a link to my "Private Diary" entitled "Snake Tales, Adventures of a Reptilian Menace, and How I Learned To Charm It."

[buff2]

92. That is so sad

I wonder what has happened to you to make you so angry? I hope you have a nice day anyway.If it makes you feel better to insult me as to where I live then go for it honey. Get it all out...then maybe you will feel better for it. :hi:

[saltpoint]

101. You may have missed the irony. Read it again. Honey.

[saltpoint]

60. As other DUers have posted before, and I endorse & reiterate here,

I have an extremely difficult time visualizing myself speaking into the face of a war veteran and calling him a "pussy," to use your exact term in your post.

"Senator Kerry, you are a pussy." Is that what you are advocating here? I'm not convinced war veterans should be treated in that manner just because you personally wanted a different outcome to political events in Ohio.

Your post asks one man to bear the blame of your personal disappointment. You might want to open the subject up to the broadest possible audience.

You fail to provide a link so we can read the piece and decide on the context better. Sloppy.

You fail to provide evidence of election fraud. Yes, many of us widely suspect it given the principals involved -- Bush, Cheney, Blackwell, etc. -- but courts have a funny way of insisting that EVIDENCE be offered in support of claims. There isn't any.

If you personally HAVE evidence of election fraud, please present it to a responsible attorney at the ACLU in Ohio for further action.

Absent that, you might want to stop calling war veterans "pussies."

[Vektor]

69. Thank you.

I am all for honest, informed political debate, but calling one of America's vets a "pussy" (a word I think is a violation of DU rules anyway) is beyond the pale.

[Name removed]

75. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Breeze54]

79. How about a link with your whine??? n/t

:shrug:

[saltpoint]

106. LOL!

[Vektor]

85. WHINE WITH MY CHEESE?!?!!?

HAHAHAHA!!

You have that back-ass-wards, genius, it's "Cheese with that WHINE!"

:rofl:

And most would agree, it's hardly "whining" to ask for respect for our vets.

You have a problem with our vets? You think they're pussies, then?

[Vektor]

81. !

:wow:

[buff2]

90. Oh,so sorry

I'm human. I made a mistake. I hope and pray you will forgive me. I know I can't measure up to all you good folks.Oh and yes. If you can't stand up and fight for what you believe in for fear of upsetting your opponet,then you should be considered a whimp,pussy or whatever. I am not a republican,I am not a stepford,I am not a robot.......I don't follow in lockstep. I thought we were allowed to have a difference in opinions. This is a BIG TENT party isn't it? Or am I wrong on this one too? :evilgrin: PS. I NEVER ONCE degraded Kerry for his service in the military. I wish for once you people would quit twisting my posts around to suit your need to bash me.

[Vektor]

99. What you did do....

Is use insults and profanity (again in this last post) to degrade Democrats, and in using the term "pussy" which is a lewd, sexist, graphic, degrading way to call someone a wimp, you implied that Kerry, a veteran and war hero, was one. No, you did not single out his service, but you single him out for insult, and his service is a part of who he is as a person.

You can disagree all you want, but you REALLY don't need to make broad brush stroke attacks on the whole Dem party and use name calling and profanity, but no credible links or sources in your attacks. Even mtnsnake who has been VERY vocal in his opposition to Kerry agreed that you should have at least posted a source and stated your case civilly based on that. He's not a Kerry fan, and he likely agrees with you, but even he asked for a real article to back up your assertions. NOBODY on this board is going to side with someone who states their case in the way you did - it was insulting.

I was almost ready to accept your apology, but it was laced with sarcasm, and contained more rude insults.

And no need to break out that "Big Tent" tent stuff. Freedom of speech does not include freedom to slander. You are welcome here if you respect the rules of the forum, and keep your criticism constructive and based on fact. But don't play martyr, and turn this whole exchange around as an attack on you. You attacked Democrats, and Democrats responded accordingly.

I never bashed you, and never twisted your posts. No need to. You called a man who wore the uniform of this country and saved a man's life in battle a "pussy" because you did not agree with him on a political issue. I'm sorry, but that was out of line.

[buff2]

105. Honey,go take a chill pill

There is no reason to be so angry and bitter. I hope that whatever your REAL problem is,that you get it resolved. No one should carry that big of a chip around on their shoulder.Relax. Things will get better,I promise.

[Vektor]

112. That's a riot.

Your OP was the one filled with rage. Anyone who reads this thread can see who the angry and bitter one is.

Your words:

"If he runs again,tough shit. He will not get my vote,my support or my money.I am sick to death of our politicians always caving in.......always being weak with no fight in them whatsoever.People will believe all the lies put out by the repukes against a Democrat because the Democrat never disputes a thing they say,so it appears it's the truth.

The republicans play dirty.....and against weak Democratic opponent pussies who refuse to fight for what is right and for what they believe in,and most of all they refuse to fight all the lies and smears. No wonder we "lose" so many elections. :grr:"

Right down to the enraged little smiley. My posts were filled with humor, yours with rage. Your condescending projection is funny, but not at all believable. Sorry.

[buff2]

122. I still think your bitterness toward me

stems from a deeper problem. I know I have not been so nice at times,and I am sorry if I offended anyone.I just get disgusted because of 8 years lost because we didn't have a candidate that would fight dim-son. Look at Bu$h. Here he is,a total moron who doesn't know Jack about anything and he beat two VERY INTELLIGENT men. What is wrong with THAT picture? Hey.....can we be friends? :hi:

[saltpoint]

128. Vektor is among the most affirming of personalities I've run into on

the web.

You are mistaking bitterness for valiance, IMO.

[Vektor]

130. Again, funny.

Reread my previous post to review your own bitterness.

Reread ALL my posts to review someone with a sense of humor.

Reread yours for all kinds of rage.

You want bitter? How about someone who cannot let go of their obsession over how John Kerry "failed them"? Your responsible for your own happiness. Not John Kerry.

I have no bitterness toward you. I didn't even know who you were until today, and as a health care professional, I have only compassion for you. You must have gastric ulcers the size of dinner plates from all that Kerry related vitriol that's eating you up inside.

Again:

"I know I have not been so nice at times,and I am sorry if I offended anyone.I just get disgusted because of 8 years lost because we didn't have a candidate that would fight dim-son. Look at Bu$h. Here he is,a total moron who doesn't know Jack about anything and he beat two VERY INTELLIGENT men."

More bitterness.

And we can be friends as soon as you issue a genuine apology for your insults, but this time without the sarcasm and name calling. Until then, no thank you. I prefer to be friends with someone who does not resort to name calling and petty attacks when asked for facts during a debate.

Edited to add - we've called a truce downthread, so it's all good. :hi:

[saltpoint]

108. Agreed. Kerry is a war veteran and a long-standing public servant.

Calling him a "pussy" is bad form. It should never have been undertaken in the OP.

[MH1]

111. Heh. Who's looking for cheese now?

It is okay for you to bash someone else (Kerry in this case), but when you are called out for not providing facts (silly little things that those are), then you complain about people bashing you? Oh puh-leeze.

Seriously. Had you stuck around after posting your bash against Kerry, you would have seen the requests for a link - which initially were pretty polite, at least for DU.

After over a F*CKING 2 HOURS of not responding AT ALL to those requests you want to cry about being bashed?

Sheesh.

Edit to correct - it wasn't 1 HOUR it was 2 HOURS. Hit and run baby, hit and run.

[saltpoint]

119. Y'know, all this talk about cheese has prompted us to decide on a pizza

for dinner.

We got us a houseful of Democrats and we're orderin' pizzas right now.

I'm glad some good has come of this thread.

[Vektor]

121. Can I have SAUSAGE on mine?

All this talk of Kerry has prompted many of us to decide on sausage.

[saltpoint]

127. The Domino's guy will have to drive it over on an 18-wheel flatbed. nt

[Vektor]

133. Let me clear the driveway!

:smoke:

[saltpoint]

137. The neighbors' garage will have to be razed, too.

But it'll be worth it -- we'll save them a couple slices of pizza.

[buff2]

80. Sorry........I didn't get this

ONLINE~!!!!!! I read it in THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH my husband picked up at the local market. Just fucking forget I ever said anything. According to all you good folks I'm a liar anyway. Have a nice day.

[Vektor]

82. Ok, see ya!

Thanks for stopping by! :hi:

[blondeatlast]

83. I wanna thank you--

this has unintentionally become one of the funniest threads ever in GD/P.

[buff2]

96. You're very welcome honey

I'm glad I was able to make people laugh. Seems there is a lot of anger in here for some reason. I hope you have a nice day. :hi:

[mtnsnake]

86. Whoa! All ya should do is type up a few lines from the newspaper arrticle

That's all anyone's asking. No one should've implied you're a liar. If they did, then they're being unreasonable and premature.

A few lines from you article would go a long ways, though, to make everyone happy.

[Breeze54]

93. Here's the LINK to OP's comments --

http://www.ohioelects.com/?story=dispatch/2006/05/21/20060521-B6-01.html

Kerry returns to Ohio, admits 2008 on mind
Senator, campaigning for Strickland, rues close loss in state in 2004, but says results were legitimate
Sunday, May 21, 2006
Mark Niquette
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

UTICA, Ohio –

Returning yesterday to the state that cost him the presidency in 2004,
Democratic U.S. Sen. John Kerry said he’s accepted that defeat and is
"very, very seriously" considering another run for president in 2008.

The Massachusetts senator said he’s working to elect Democrats in Ohio
and other states this year and will decide whether to run again after
the November election.

"The things we fought for in 2004 are as urgent today and as real today
as they were then," Kerry told a cheering crowd of about 200 Democrats
at the Licking County farm of former Ohio Democratic Chairman Eugene Branstool.

"And good people who are tough, even when you get kicked in your butt,
you just dust yourself off, and you get up and you come back and fight harder.
And that’s what we’re going to do."

Kerry, who lost to President Bush by 118,601 votes 18 months ago in Ohio—
the state that decided the race — campaigned yesterday with Democratic
gubernatorial candidate Ted Strickland at a fundraiser and rally in Toledo.

He also made stops at Branstool’s farm and in downtown Delaware after giving the
commencement address at Kenyon College in Gambier,
where he called the war in Iraq "misguided."

It was in Gambier where some students waited as long as 14 hours to vote because
of a lack of voting machines—one of many problems with the 2004 election in Ohio
that have some Kerry supporters convinced to this day that he won.

In an interview with The Dispatch, Kerry said his campaign had an army of lawyers
on the ground in Ohio on Election Day 2004, and that he waited to concede until well
into the next day, making certain there weren’t grounds to challenge the outcome.

But Kerry said that although there were serious problems in the Ohio election,
he still hasn’t seen any "smoking gun" to suggest the result was illegitimate.

"I knew what the stakes were, and if I thought for one instant that we had
illegitimacy, obviously I would have dealt with it," Kerry said.
"But I had to make a tough decision based on the evidence that we had."

The eyes of the nation once again are on Ohio this year, following the races for
governor, the U.S. Senate and other offices as a potential barometer for the 2008
presidential race.

Kerry said the Ohio races could be decided more on local issues and voters’ views
about the candidates, but he also said the state elections could develop into
"a referendum on the direction of our nation."

Republicans began criticizing Kerry even before he arrived in Ohio.
The GOP unveiled a radio ad on Friday linking Kerry and Strickland,
who faces Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell in the fall,
as "two peas."

"It’s no surprise Ted Strickland is campaigning with John Kerry," the ad said.
"Like John Kerry, Ted Strickland consistently votes for higher taxes, flipflops
on important issues, and has a less than impressive record in Congress."

But Strickland, a six-term congressman from Lisbon, said in an interview Wednesday
that he is prepared to counter expected attacks that he is a tax-and spend liberal –
criticizing Kerry in the process.

"I’ve been in this business for 12 years and I am not at all naive about this,"
Strickland said. "But unlike Kerry and unlike a lot of people, I am battle-tested.
I’ve studied these folks (Blackwell and GOP campaign operatives) and I know how they work.
Do you know what happens if you don’t confront a bully? He’ll continue to be a bully."

Strickland also said that Kerry "was a patriot who knew how to fight for his country
and in war, but he didn’t know how to fight politically, and I know how to fight."

Kerry admitted he made mistakes in 2004 but said he’s learned from them.

"Yes, we could have put more money into a few things to answer a few things better,"
Kerry said. "I will never, ever make that mistake again. If I (run again), we’re going
to go at these guys and we’re going to take back what we deserve, which is our future."

Dispatch Senior Editor Joe Hallett contributed to this story.

[saltpoint]

103. Your post failed to establish a context and your claim failed to

provide evidence of fraud.

We'd all love it if you have evidence of felony voter fraud in the Ohio election in 2004.

If you don't, some of us don't care for your blaming John Kerry for your disappointment.

[MH1]

136. Exactly - well put and concise.

I think Kerry would love it if the op could provide real evidence of felony voter fraud in Ohio. Even if she called him a pussy while providing it.

[saltpoint]

139. I'm almost certain Kerry and Edwards know that Bush, Cheney & Blackwell

ran a dirty operation in Ohio in 2004.

But saying so would become a career-ending whine and they could not proceed without firm evidence.

What would be interesting is to learn a few months from now that there IS evidence newly revealed, perhaps from a collateral source. That would in effect invalidate the results from Ohio 2004 and needless to say, would destroy Kenneth Blackwell's ambitions to be governor.

I hope Ohio goes deep blue in November! Go, Buckeye Dems.

:dem: :dem: :dem: :dem: :dem: :dem:

[Mass]

84. Here is the article where Kerry, not very surprisingly, said exactly what

he has always said, that they did not have the smoking gun that would have allowed them to contest the election. But of course, why bother with the truth.

I know some will not be happy because he does not yell that the election was fraudulent, but at least, you will be able to judge from what he said (NO SMOKING GUN).

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/05/21/20060521-B6-01.html

In an interview with The Dispatch, Kerry said his campaign had an army of lawyers on the ground in Ohio on Election Day 2004, and that he waited to concede until well into the next day, making certain there weren’t grounds to challenge the outcome.

But Kerry said that although there were serious problems in the Ohio election, he still hasn’t seen any "smoking gun" to suggest the result was illegitimate.

"I knew what the stakes were, and if I thought for one instant that we had illegitimacy, obviously I would have dealt with it," Kerry said. "But I had to make a tough decision based on the evidence that we had."

[Vektor]

87. I prefer to make up S&B rumors.

So get your truthiness out of my face!

:-)

[Mass]

88. Anyway, Conyers is a pussy too, as he said exactly the same thing.

[Vektor]

91. I was actually ready

to read the OP, hoping that there was a legitimate point I could discuss, but when I saw the insults, and the word "pussy" (FROM A WOMAN NO LESS!!!) directed at a veteran, I knew that reasonable discourse wouldn't fly.

[ProSense]

89. truthiness!

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

94. And here are the parts that completely back up what the OPer said:

Kerry returns to Ohio, admits 2008 on mind
Senator, campaigning for Strickland, rues close loss in state in 2004, but says results were legitimate

Kerry, who lost to President Bush by 118,601 votes 18 months ago in Ohio—the state that decided the race— campaigned yesterday with Democratic gubernatorial candidate Ted Strickland at a fundraiser and rally in Toledo.

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/05/21/20060521-B6-01.html

[Mass]

97. Except that Kerry did not say the election was legitimate. He said they

did not find a proof that the election was illegitimate. For a lawyer, there is a big difference.

[Breeze54]

104. Thank You!!!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[buff2]

107. If they found no proof that the election was illegitimate

that would make it legitimate,would it not?

[Vektor]

120. No, that's misleading.

Legitimacy or illegitimacy BOTH have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have a conclusion. Prior to that, we only have speculation.

Think of OJ. Are we all certain he "did the deed?" Many are.

Is he in jail? Nope. Why? They were not able to PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that he did it. Doesn't mean he didn't though, right?

[buff2]

126. Yeah,you are right

No one will ever know the truth on that one.

I still think both elections were rigged,though. Even if not proven I still believe it. :)

[MH1]

132. They ** were ** rigged - by voter suppression.

And you can't recount votes that were never cast.

We need to fix the laws so that people do HARD TIME for the kind of shit Blackwell pulled in Ohio. Remember the registrations thrown out because of card-stock? Remember how they purposely didn't put enough voting machines in Dem-leaning precincts?

There is NO WAY to get those votes back. I believe people would not stand for a re-vote in such a situation - there are many arguments against it. The only way to stop it is make it enforceable and make the enforcement mean something. Blackwell and others should be in jail for the "machines locked in a warehouse" scam ALONE. People need to be deterred by knowing they WILL be caught and they WILL go to jail. It is the only way.

Everyone who cares about this shit needs to help Strickland get elected Governor of Ohio. Then we have a shot of doing something.

[buff2]

135. I've donated once to Ted

I'm going to donate again too. Ted is a great guy,and we need him to win desperately. I don't even want to think of a "Governor Blackwell". I'm really scared,though because he will do ANYTHING to win. :scared:

[MH1]

140. Thank you - that will help.

Wherever you are, if possible you can get on your local election board, or just sign up with the Dem party as a poll-watcher for every election - assuming you don't have to work. In my repub-run county, all the county people get the day off (except election workers themselves of course), so all those republicans hang out at the polls and work the street lists. Meanwhile, us Dems work at regular jobs that don't get the day off, so we are always begging for folks to work the polls. I actually take a day off to do it, but I know lots of people can't. It sucks, and it's why Election Day should be a federal holiday, imo - or there should be a law that allows people to take the day off work without being charged for vacation.

It is also interesting when you work the polls, because you learn the process and it is more clear where the opportunities for fraud really are. And believe me there is plenty of opportunity if you have any polls that don't have at least one Dem staffing them.

[buff2]

144. I'm going to volunteer this year to work the polls

I live in rural southern Oh. They don't have an active party chairman here. There are no meetings that I know of.There are never any get out the vote efforts here unless someone does it by phone. We need to go knock on doors and get people registered. There is so much we could be doing,but no one has an interest here. I'm going to do what I can though. I want Ted to win.

[Vektor]

146. Good luck, and thanks for doing that!

Even if you are disappointed with Kerry regarding what he can and can't do RE: election fraud, at least you have the common ground of both of you wanting Ted to win, and both of you are helping him to do so, so that's something. :shrug:

[buff2]

149. Ted was my Congressman

until the repukes did the re-districting. I was sick when we lost him.I got to know him by going to his campaign events. He and his wife Francis are terrific people.I just love them.

[Vektor]

138. So do I. We don't disagree on that at all.

My point, and the point of many of us here, is that the 2004 election was stolen in such a myriad of ways (suppression, vote padding, vote switching, central tabulator manipulation, purging of voter rolls, etc...) that finding the smoking gun that proves ALL that, enough to account for ALL the missing or switched votes, will be an ENORMOUS challenge.

The worst problem they are having with all the investigations is that no one wants to talk. NO ONE. Fear perhaps?

Who knows, but I have to give the Pukes credit. They were very creative in how they created that 100,000 vote discrepancy in Ohio, and other states as well. If they used one method, it would be easier to track, but they used MANY. And accounting for all the Kerry votes lost by suppression and a shortage of voting machines in Dem precincts is very difficult, if not impossible.

[buff2]

151. So what can we do about this problem?

There has to be a way to stop all this fraud the repukes are doing. If our elected officials won't do anything,then what can we do? I am really scared about this situation. :scared:

[ProSense]

98. No that's the headline written by the paper. Here is what Kerry said:

In an interview with The Dispatch, Kerry said his campaign had an army of lawyers on the ground in Ohio on Election Day 2004, and that he waited to concede until well into the next day, making certain there weren’t grounds to challenge the outcome.

But Kerry said that although there were serious problems in the Ohio election, he still hasn’t seen any "smoking gun" to suggest the result was illegitimate.

"I knew what the stakes were, and if I thought for one instant that we had illegitimacy, obviously I would have dealt with it," Kerry said. "But I had to make a tough decision based on the evidence that we had."

Which is exactly what he's been saying all along.

[buff2]

113. Then in that case everyone in here that

have said the election was stolen have been wrong.Kerry says "I knew what the stakes were, and if I thought for one instant that we had illegitimacy, obviously I would have dealt with it,"


That should put to rest any idea of this being a stolen election.

[Mass]

116. "But I had to make a tough decision based on the evidence that we had."

You omitted this little part. Obviously, they knew they could not prove it. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE EVIDENCE. Kerry said it twice in direct quotes in this article and you decide to ignore it.

[mtnsnake]

115. No, the 2nd paragraph came from the exact same article you're quoting

The second part of my quotes came from the body of the article itself, not the headline. Only the first part came from the headline.

[ProSense]

117. Only the first part (the headline) mentions the word legitimate! n/t

[Mass]

118. The second part does not say Kerry said the election was legitimate.

(if anything because Kerry did not say that).

[Vektor]

109. Respectfully,

Seriously - respectfully, what you bolded only backs up that Kerry campaigned for Strickland. Which nobody is disputing.

The OP said Kerry stated that the results were legitimate.

The article says that Kerry did not have a smoking gun on Nov. 3rd...which is true, I think even Matlock could not have had a smoking gun that quick.

I understand the OP's frustration, but she gleaned something from the article's quote, and rewrote it in such a way that slanted the statement quite a bit. Saying something is legit is not the same as saying you have "no smoking gun."

That's all we're saying.

[mtnsnake]

124. Hi. The only reason I bolded that part was to show the OPer was telling

the truth as to what she said in the OP. THe post I was responding to had not quoted that part of the article at the time, but a different part that had to do with other things Kerry said. I just followed up on it for sake of clarity and fairness to the OPer, who was telling the truth all along, but she should've got back to us way sooner to explain things at least as to why she couldn't provide an online link at the time.

[buff2]

129. It's because I haven't been on here consistantly

I had to leave to make brunch for hubby. Then I had to leave to put the dog out. Then I had to leave to let her back in......whew! It's hard to keep up when you are away from the puter. Thanks to all for helping me out with the links and stuff. I should never have posted this thread because it was more of a rant than information. Sorry everyone. I do appologize. :hi:

[Vektor]

143. Ok, fair enough and peace then.

Believe me, I have been railed up one wall and down the other for posting a rant with no source also. That's a sensitive issue here at DU, mostly because the Repukes attack our Dems all the time without credible sources, and we don't want that here on our board.

Apology accepted, and I, in turn, apologize for giving you shit as well.

[buff2]

147. I accept your apology

The dag gone thing was my fault. You guys had every right to ream me out. I care for ALL Du'ers. We are all fighting for the same things.I should never come in here and rant. It's so easy for someone to type something and then people will get the wrong idea and then that's when the fight is on. You can't tell the tone of someone's intentions by reading it......well,you can in a way.....LOL.. but a lot of times a person can type something and the meaning is taken completely out of context. Have a great day Vektor! I mean it too! :hi:

[Vektor]

150. Ranting is ok sometimes...

We all do it, usually, hopefully against the Repukes, but sometimes, against our own, out of frustration. The only thing we try to ask, is that we all try to make a concerted effort to keep the rants based in fact, and to include sources or links to back up why we are saying what we are saying. We try (as best we can) to keep insults about the person out of it, and instead focus on what the action was that pissed us off. Sometimes we forget ourselves, right?

Nobody here likes to see their candidate of choice bashed, and no matter who the post is about, Kerry, Feingold, Gore, Clinton, Clark, Dean, etc...there's bound to be some ruffled feathers if a post attacks a person who people care about.

I have no problem with someone saying "Look at this article! Politician X is quoted as saying "...." I don't agree with that! What is going on with him/her?!" Then providing the article and letting the board chime in.

I just balk at the posts when the person is called names, in lieu of discussion on the content of the news story. But hey, shit happens...we all have our off days where we fire off and cause a shit storm without thinking about it first.

I've done it.

Thanks for the follow up, and further explanation of why you were upset. It takes a big person to apologize, and I respect that. Thanks. :hi:

[Vektor]

141. Hi back.

My main concern with the OP's claim is that I did not see a direct quote where Kerry said "I believe the result was totally legitimate." I know he says he has "no smoking gun", and he can't prove illegitimacy (and yes, that frustrates me too) but I thought the way she worded his quote was a little off from how he actually said it. I believe she really saw such an article, and she wasn't lying about seeing that newspaper, but I wanted to see the actual print before I assume I knew what the speaker meant. Just changing a word or a comma can rearrange the whole context. I am totally ok with her being frustrated about the situation, but was concerned with the use of insults based on an article which none of us had seen.

We've all relaxed a bit now that she has provided more info.

Thanks for the civil exchange. :hi:

[blm]

95. Exactly what he's always said - he had to go with the evidence they had,

and no one has shown up with a smoking gun, and no one WILL - because the rigged machines are set up for onetime use and then all evidence is ERASED and UNTRACEABLE.

[saltpoint]

110. Mass, you've given us a link and the passage to establish context.

Thank you.

[politicasista]

145. Need some facts n/t

[The Magistrate]

152. Locking

The use of "pussies" in this manner is a sexist slur not permitted by the rules of Democratic underground.