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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:37 AM
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Will Newt Gingrich be on the Repub ticket in 2008 ?
Edited on Sun May-21-06 11:38 AM by kentuck
Before you spontaneously shout "No!", perhaps you should look more closely at the Republican disarray. In normal times, he would never be considered. However, this Republican Party is in desperate straits. The "good ol' days" are those when Newt and the Repubs took over the House in 1994. Newt is still considered a hero to many Republicans. Because of the severity of the decay within their Party, Newt is now starting to look better and better to many of them. They are willing to overlook his past transgressions. Comparisons to Bill Clinton's "immorality" notwithstanding, many are now willing to take a gamble on Newt. Don't bet against him. He gives them hope.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:39 AM
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1. Dog I hope so. n/t
:kick:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:46 AM
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4. Why?
He may be the strongest Repub they can put forward?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:37 PM
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20. Because he is as divisive in the repuke party
as HRC is in the democratic, and would help to ensure a Democratic victory.
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bluefish Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:21 PM
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25. Agreed I hope he runs
With Pat Buchanan as his running mate. Then we will see Blue to Blue states!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:40 AM
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2. I agree that Gingrich cannot be dismissed out of hand, but it's hard to
get past my personal revulsion of the man and offer an objective response.

If forced at gunpoint, I could do it and say that yes, he might emerge as a stronger contender if some of the other first-tier heavyweights fall to the wayside.

But let's hope he never gets close to the ticket. We're a lot better off without him.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:49 AM
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5. No, way, he invented cash and carry government
you bring the cash and your agenda, we carry it out, I think that the lobbyists are not going
to be as eager to jump in now that they see dems on the upswing. They will not be so eager
to bankroll a candidate, I don't see Newt as having enough appeal to the average voter
to garner money. If fact, that reminds me of an interesting thing George Wilk said just
as they were out of time. The alarming thing is that the Republican cannot count on having
more funding dollars than the dems and how unsettling that was. Cokie jumped in with a quick
save saying that Landrieu was better funded in the New Orleans primary but still lost.
Always, look for Cokie to score a point for the Republicans.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:07 PM
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10. Yes, Cokie is always right at hand for the GOP. She's one of the very
most over-rated reporters/analysts in Washington, ever.

Her Monday morning reports on NPR have the intellectual heft of crepe paper.

Gingrich faces an uphill climb. But I don't think it's beyond reach entirely. He has little competition from Frist, for example.

Agree with you on the investors. They smell a Democratic upturn.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:00 PM
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29. they are going to pick somebody from the rank of gov
somebody that is a hunting, fishing, outdoors kind of guy
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:44 AM
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3. Gingrich/Buchanon 08
The dream ticket.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:51 AM
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6. It would be wonderful for us
What went on in "The Speeeeekah's Chambaaaaahs" made Clinton's pathetic little imbroglios in the small room off the Oval Office look like junior high school fumblings under the stairwell between classes. I'd certainly want a new conference table and a new desk chair, and probably a desk as well, if I were the present incumbent...

And Calista, the third Missus Gingrich, avoided having to discuss all the dirty details on the stand, stipulating simply to "sexual contact" only after Newt agreed that a hefty portion of his portfolio be ceded to Number Two without discussion or debate. Number Two took him him to the cleaners, which is where he deserved to go, the craven hypocrite.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:58 AM
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7. If he got more Repubs to the polls, how would that be wonderful?
And at this time, he may be able to get more Repubs to the polls than anyone else??
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:14 PM
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14. How can the "Party of Family Values" vote for a guy who got
BJs under his desk and screwed his galpal on the conference table?? And that's just the tip of the iceberg!!! There are a LOT of disillusioned former Newt staffers out there, and maybe some of them aren't doing so well, since a lot of them were unable to find work in other offices due to Newt's high handed nature while in the Speaker slot. Some of these staffers were the ones who ratted out Calista and Newt to Number Two.

I can't help but think a few of them could give a salacious interview or two, or three, or four. The Hill was ALIVE with the buzz about what he was up to--it's one of those things that didn't make it into the media all that much at the time, but when you are running for Top Dunce, all bets are off. There's just SO MUCH FODDER there:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/newt-gingrich/ (General Newt nastiness)

http://www.salon.com/people/col/reit/1999/08/17/gingrich/ (Specific Newt nastiness!) Ah, here's the meat of it:

Naughty Newt Gingrich. Speculation surrounding the Newtle's recent decision to ditch his wife of 18 years, Marianne Ginther Gingrich, and cop to an affair with a woman 23 years his junior has made summertime in Washington even steamier than usual.

Now that D.C.'s scandal-starved denizens have digested the scraps of the singularly unappetizing affaire Gingrich -- after boinking Callista Bisek, a 33-year-old congressional aide said to show a somewhat kinky resemblance to Hillary Rodham Clinton, for years, the former House speaker gave his weeping wife the heave-ho over the phone while she was celebrating her mother's 84th birthday in July -- they're struggling with a touch of dyspepsia over a few greasy details: Just when did Bisek (so adept at puckering up and blowing she plays horn in Virginia's City of Fairfax band) catch the eye of Newt (tongue of dragon)? And what really inspired the big-talking speaker to suddenly grow silent as a lamb and vanish into the night in the midst of the Clinton/Lewinsky cacophony?

While most press outlets have reported that Newtie and his cutie have been consorting for at least three years, whispers that the Gingster might have horned in on brassy Bisek more like five years ago have wafted Nothing Personal's way. Big deal? Well, it might be. If it turns out that the two were indeed nuzzling noses before the hard-blowing, nimble-fingered young lady was installed in her cushy $55,000 congressional aide job (sniff if you like, that's biggish bucks for a lowish-level government worker without a whole lot of prior Hill experience). Such timing would raise the same sort of ethical questions Clinton faced when it appeared his good buddy Vernon Jordan may have pulled some high-placed strings at Revlon on behalf of a certain unthankful thongstress.

What's more, NP has also gotten wind of some banter about blackmail on le Hill. Could it be that Gingrich's surprise decision to abandon his throne in the midst of the Monica madness (not to mention his uncharacteristic mumness on the matter) was not based simply on his weakening approval rating, but was a direct response to pressure from Republicans now running the show -- Reps. Dick Armey and Tom DeLay (the latter, it bears noting, an erstwhile pest-control expert)? The Gingrich/Bisek affair is rumored to have been an open secret among House Republicans and could well have been used as leverage by Newt's power-hungry "friends" to rid him of his crown (leave town quietly or get slimed by scandal). After all, Mrs. Newt, whose divorce lawyers will likely put her hard-hearted hubby through an exhaustive deposition, claims to have been unaware of Gingrich's out-of-wedlock dalliance until he dialed her up to demand a divorce -- mere seconds before the story hit the papers. And we all know to what lengths politicians will go to protect their families from the truth ...


More on LE DIVORCE here: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/11/24/gingrich/print.html

The juicy bits:

Her smile was broader an hour and a half later, after Judge Brook Hedge had ruled that Bisek had to turn over most of the records that Marianne Gingrich's attorneys had sought from her -- including telephone bills, credit card bills, bank statements, correspondence between her and the ex-speaker, appointment books, gifts from Newt and other materials dating back five years. (Neither Newt nor Bisek attended the hearing.)

Bisek's attorney, Pamela Bresnahan, had argued that the request was an invasion of Bisek's privacy and that most of the material was not relevant to the divorce proceedings. But Judge Hedge shot her down, noting that Bisek is "not just a bystander" in Gingrich vs. Gingrich. Consequently, Marianne Gingrich's lawyers -- John Mayoue, an Atlanta attorney, and Victoria Toensing, the Republican talking head and lawyer who once counted Newt as an ally -- will have the opportunity to comb Bisek's papers and seek out information about the secret affair Gingrich maintained while he was rising to power.

....He was asked to identify "any and all persons, other than your wife, with whom you've had sexual relations during this marriage" and to provide the "dates, times and places in which said sexual relations occurred." He also was asked to identify anyone who knew of these affairs. Question No. 25 inquired, "Do you believe that you have conducted your private life in this marriage in accordance with the concept of 'family values' you have espoused politically and professionally?"...


This isn't FRESH MEAT, it's WELL AGED BEEF...better than Henry "Hyde the Salami" by far. There's just SO MUCH MATERIAL THERE....it'll keep the fundies at home. He really did make Clinton look like a choir boy.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:19 PM
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16. The "Party of Values" still worships Reagan, a divorcee.
"Values" are not part of the consideration when voting Republican - only when voting against Democrats. They are quick to forgive their own. You will not find many "Repub" links criticizing Newt in such a way.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:50 PM
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21. Reagan's circumstances were VERY different
Jane Wyman dumped HIM, her star was ascending, while his was fading to TV, a less prestigious venue at the time, and she was bored by his increasingly rabid interest in politics. Sure, Nancy got knocked up before they were wed, but that first marriage was OVER before they started stepping out. Reagan was not a CHEATER.

Like I said, Newt makes Clinton look like a choirboy. And there are plenty of people out there who were victimized by his slash and burn attitude that will be only too happy to point it out. Hell, he dumped his first wife when she was having chemo, and his second while she was at her ninety-something year old mother's BIRTHDAY party. He's a SHIT. An unfaithful, conniving shit, too. If he screws around on his wife, excuse me, WIVES, he'll screw around on the country.

It's one thing to have a breakup like Reagan's, where they part amicably. It's quite a different thing to do the same lousy thing over, and over, and over again. It just won't play well. Too many victims are still alive.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:53 PM
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22. Yours is a Democratic viewpoint...
I'm not so sure that Republican voters would look at Newt the same way?? I don't believe they would. They will forgive and forget.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:13 PM
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23. Go talk to a few Republican women about Newt
You'll be surprised at the horror on their faces. The men tend to say "What an ass, how stupid of him, to get caught again and again." It won't play. It's not just the serial marriages, it's the sneaky, cheating aspect (and its repetitive nature), the failure to make amends to those he has wronged (and not just in private life), and the fact that he tried to be cheap with every divorce.

Oh, and his activist sister won't be any help, either: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9807E4DA1F38F93BA3575AC0A960958260
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:18 PM
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24. You may be right.
We shall see. I see nothing in the Republican Party past that would lead them to vote against Newt.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 04:40 PM
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30. Well, there was also, from a political perspective, that
"night of the long knives" where his cohorts in the House turned on him.

He also bounced 22 checks in that House banking scandal. That iffy book deal, the House ethics scandal...there's too much meat there. http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm

I'm not saying he won't RUN, mind you. But we all know full well that half of the people running are in actual fact auditioning for a role in the cabinet, or as an ambassador. I'm saying he may advance the GOP debate, but I can't see him winning. Way too much baggage.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:59 AM
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9. Underestimate Gingrich at your own peril. He's a dangerous person. n/t
Edited on Sun May-21-06 11:59 AM by BlueManDude
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:15 PM
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15. See Post 14, above. n/t
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 04:44 PM
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31. That stuff is irrelevant. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 06:07 PM
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32. My mileage clearly varies. n.t
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:51 AM
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33. You think the MSM is going to hound Newt about his infidelities?
Edited on Mon May-22-06 05:52 AM by BlueManDude
First rule of US politics - it's only an issue if a Democrat does it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:09 PM
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35. Yeah, I do, actually
Not HOUND him, but bring it up. And it will acquire a life of its own. Why? Because America LOVES SEX!! They love sexy teachers screwing their young students, they love cheating scandals, and they especially love it when people who are too ugly for Hollywood are wrapped up in nasty, scandalous affairs. They like to express scandalous outrage, or make snarky jokes. It's not quite Wallis and the Duke, but it's pretty damned good. Some pollster will ask "Who would you rather have babysit your teenaged daughter? Newt or Candidate X? Then, we're off to the races!
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:58 AM
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8. If McCain falters Newt will be the nominee
and he'll be tough to beat.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:09 PM
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11. If Newtie gets the nod he'll have to talk at greater length than his
usual brief sound-bites. That's his achilles heal. He can start out sounding reasonable but let him go on a bit, let him get into some detail, and it gets obvious what a nut job he is.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:11 PM
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12. But they will only play his sound bites...
that's the nature of TV. Although i do agree with you that the longer he talks, the more he sounds like a nutcase.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:19 PM
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17. He makes more sense than bush.
And he will be very thoroughly scripted on the four or five memes
he will repeatedly return to. War on Terra, 911, the
need for bipartisanship, things like that.
The pukes will do their home work, those memes will
cut right to the heartland of 'murica!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:21 PM
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18. You got it !
Newt can bring them back into the fold.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:17 PM
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27. It would be a fatal mistake to overlook the Newt. Pukes will vote Newt
big time.
He is being proferred as the new, responsible
Republican.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:36 PM
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19. But there will also be those long profile interviews...
on the campaign train ride with George Snuffleupagus, strolling around W. Georgia U. campus with Katie, ritual kitten stompings with O'Reilly, etc. Plenty of rope and plenty of time... if anyone chooses to watch, I suppose.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:14 PM
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26. He has been popping up a lot on TV recently, the prep work has started
He is always made to look very informed and reasonable.
He is being kept just the right distance from the Republican fiasco.
No doubt in my mind: the GOP wants a Newt/Hillary showdown
in '08.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:12 PM
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13. Newt is back in the lime light. (He would beat Hillary with ease.)
This is one dangerous SOB.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:16 AM
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34. I beg to differ. Newt would turn out women in droves to vote for Hillary.
Newt is rightly despised by many women for his pompous machoism - not to mention that he is a two timing serial wife ditcher.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:42 PM
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36. I think Democrats will stay home in droves if Hillary runs
I predict:

1. Republicans will work like hell and vote in record numbers to defeat her.

2. Democratic support and voter turnout will be tepid at best.

The republicans could run almost anyone and
defeat Hillary. The GOP knows this.
(Look for those GOP dollars
to start rolling her way.)
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:21 PM
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37. That's what the Republicans in New York thought. They now call her
Senator Clinton. Yes there are lots of people who won't vote for her, including some Dems. But there are a lot of moderate Republican women who will vote for her - particularly if an asshat like Newt is running. I actually think she will have more trouble winning the nomination than winning the general election if the Republican nominee is anyone other than John McCain. IMO neither Newt nor Hillary will win their respective nominations anyway so it will be a moot point.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:19 PM
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28. I am NOT comparing them on anything but this ONE point ........
But Gore and Grigrich could both get their party's nod, in no small measure, for similar reasons. Both could, by their respective party's rank and file, be seen as having been right.

Note to Gore supporters ....... I am saying *******nothing******* against Gore.
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