The DLC scares liberals to death

[killerbush]

They are the enemy that must be destroyed at all costs. People are inheritanly scared of things they don't understand. Joe Lieberman is a perfect example of this. He agrees with liberal about 80% of the time, yet I've never seen such vile hatred for one DEMOCRAT in my life. A lot of liberals here in DU have become what the Republican party represents, intolerence for other points of view. I would like anybody in here to name a political person they agree with 100% of the time.

[acmavm]

1. What's your point?

[shance]

2. No, the DLC scares Democrats to death.

The DLC is no more a Democratic organization than the RNC.

[LincolnMcGrath]

85. "the DLC scares Democrats to death"

Well Said

[Elidor]

3. Intolerance for pre-emptive war, bucko

Get used to it. We're not going away.

[killerbush]

40. BUCKO!!! That so Richie Cunningham

[Radical Activist]

4. Corporate Conservatism scares me.

Whether it wears the Republican or Democratic label.

[dionysus]

5. it doesn't matter if he has some good votes because

he is a warmongering tool complicit in getting tons of people KILLED.

[oc2002]

6. Leiberman is at most 20% if that with the Democrats.

He has always been more conservative than most Democrats, in issues from spending on defense, Iraq, tax cuts, trade policy and so forth.

He is a DINO, and more of a corporate shill, than a Democrat, as is the DLC.

[Nederland]

42. The ADA says otherwise

Lieberman has a very liberal voting record. On the issues, he votes liberal 75% of the time.

http://www.adaction.org/lifetimesenconnecticut.html

[AllieB]

49. He gets good marks on women's issues

on other issues, I'm less than thrilled with him.

[liberalhistorian]

77. Oh, he does, does he?

Not by me he doesn't, no fucking way. Not after his bullshit statement of support for the refusal of a hospital to give the morning-after pill to rape victims if they had "principled reasons", saying that the rape victims could just jolly well ride around until they found another hospital that would accommodate them. Yeah, right. That's why NOW did the right thing and endorsed Lamont.

All I have to do is look at those pictures of him kissing and hugging it up with Dim Son, and his insanely enthusiastic bloodlust in supporting the Iraq war and even a possible military strike on Iran and his insistence that things are still going just peachy in Iraq, and he makes me physically ill.

[populistdriven]

7. Russ Feingold

[blm]

23. You supported Roberts for the Supreme Court? You supported Rice?

You supported McCain-Feingold instead of Clean Elections bill for public financing of campaigns? You were against investigating the Downing Street Memos?

Are you sure you agree with him 100% of the time?

[populistdriven]

8. KillerBush - what do you think about the Democratic Freedom Caucus?

I bet the DFC scares the hell out of many in the DLC :D

[killerbush]

56. Look at what DFC member Tim Penny said on their website

Looks like he took a page from the DLC book.

[Mythsaje]

9. I think "disgusts" is a better word to use than "scares."

Call it whatever you want. It's a free country. Kinda.

[wisteria]

10. I am not afraid of them. I wish all sides to come together for the good

of our party and the country.

[Lars39]

11. The DLC has its roots in RW think tanks.

The goal was to gut the Dem party. They've come pretty close to realizing that goal.

[Totally Committed]

12. There's a difference between being scared and being appalled....

I am appalled. I am not a fan of the DLC and never will be.

But, this being the thrid or fourth pro-DLC thread on the board today, I'm thinking maybe they are a little scared, maybe, and sent out their memo over the weekend. Glad to see you all got it and are out there spreading their word for them.

TC

[Zodiak]

38. I noticed it, too

At least this pro-DLC thread is not aimed specifically at another subpopulation of DUers, just "liberals" in general.

[Old and In the Way]

13. Killer, Joe Lieberman would not like to see you advocating "Impeach Bush"

Shouldn't you follow Joe's lead and have a "Be Nice to George" icon?

[killerbush]

31. I want George hung up by the balls.

I like Lieberman, but don't agree with him on the war. Disagreeing with someone is one thing, outright hatred for the man just because on ONE issue is frankly, quite disgusting.

[liberalhistorian]

78. It's not just one issue, it's many, many, many issues

and positions. And I would think those pics of your hero kissing and hugging it up with Georgie would be enough to make you lose your lunch. Not only would Holy Joe Morality Nanny be against impeaching Bush, he would likely attempt to clamp down on anyone who even attempted to impeach him.

[Zorra]

14. It's just that fascism scares liberals to death. As a matter of fact,

liberals are usually the first people that fascists actually put to death, domestically speaking. Fascists hate liberals.

Since the DLC sometimes supports fascist policies, while liberals never do, it is only logical for liberals to believe that the DLC is an insidious organization that is trying to make the Democratic Party into a more republican, and hence fascist, type of party.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. This is the latest in a series of threads you've started that juuuust ....

.... skirt the edge of the mainstream liberal perspective.

Usually the right edge.

[bananas]

22. Have you seen his blog? He calls himself a DINO!

He links to his blog from his DU profile.

"Liberals don't like DINO's simply because we represent a threat to the party. DINO's are a more moderate, clear headed thinkers than the liberals are. We tried liberalism for 40 years, and it failed miserably. Any threat to the liberal base, is clearly that must be eliminated."

http://diaryofamisunderstoodgenius.blogspot.com/2006/05/some-connecticut-voters-really-suck.html

Saturday, May 20
Some Connecticut voters really suck.

As expected, Joe Lieberman won the primary for Democratic voters, but Ned Lamont, the one issue jerk candidate, received over 30% of the vote, so now Lieberman will have to waste some time and energy on the terrorist band of assholes, called the Lamont voter.
All Lamont is, is a rallying point for all the disaffected Connecticut voters who don't like Lieberman's was stance. Bolstered by the nutjob left wing blogs like My.DD, Daily Kos, and others, Lamont got the backing from the non thinking crowd, who basically wanted to send a message to Joe, about supporting the war. All these bastards are doing is delaying the inevitable. It really makes me sicks that some Connecticut voters would fall for this crap. Most of them can't think straight, or at all, and have no comprehension of their actions. They listen to the blogs, because they have the IQ of houseplants.
I don't see eye to eye with Lieberman on the war either. I've said all along that his support for the war is wrong, and will continue to do so. But I am more than a one-issue candidate, which is what Lamont is. Lamont has the anti-war vote, and nothing else. Joe Lieberman has done more for this state than anybody else has done. The anti Joe voters are doing this for three reasons, 1, his war record, which I've already explained. 2, he's considered a DINO, (Democrat in name only). Liberals don't like DINO's simply because we represent a threat to the party. DINO's are a more moderate, clear headed thinkers than the liberals are. We tried liberalism for 40 years, and it failed miserably. Any threat to the liberal base, is clearly that must be eliminated. 3 Maybe no one would like to admit it, but I think being Jewish has something to do with it also. Liberals love to come off as being tolerant of others, when it fact, some of them are closet racists.
Those 3 reasons are what drives the Lamont voter. It isn't the issues, it's the perception of the man himself. Joe doesn't conform to their way of thinking, so therefore, he must be eliminated. The sooner the Connecticut voter realizes that Lamont is basically running a insurgent campaign, and has no shot at winning, the sooner we can drop Lamont to the garbage heap of history, reelect Lieberman, and then go about the business of making George Bush's life miserable. But before we can do that, some Connecticut voters need to grow up, and take out the trash named Ned Lamont!!!

posted by Gary Sartori | 11:57:00 AM

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Seems like my smeller's still operative and within adjustment tolerances.

[TheWatcher]

65. It is indeed.

Many of us smelled him from his earliest posts.

He's not one of us, never has been.

[Zodiak]

41. Lamont voters are terrorists?

Wow..now THAT's hyperbole.

[liberalhistorian]

79. What would you expect from

an inside-the-beltway Lieberman-lover? If it weren't for that awful liberalism, he wouldn't even be able to post his anti-democrat drivel. And last time I checked, people in this country are still free to vote for the candidate of their choice without having to follow the dictates and demands of the entrenched establishment. Lieberman is not "owed" his seat and should have to fight and work hard for it every damn time he's up for re-election. Every incumbent should have to do that.

[Hawkeye-X]

46. Gee. Does he even know what a DINO means?

I don't think so. and his blog doesn't allow for talkback or comments on his inane behavior.

[bananas]

64. Yes, he does.

He gives the definition in the sentence before the part I quoted above,
he's talking about Joe Lieberman:

"2, he's considered a DINO, (Democrat in name only). Liberals don't like DINO's simply because we represent a threat to the party."

edit: he explains in post #47 that he's not really a Democrat:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2640479&mesg_id=2641280

killerbush (666 posts) Mon May-22-06 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. I'm not a Democrat, but an independent
But I support Democrats much more than Republicans

[killerbush]

58. Hey, right edge, left edge, don't matter.

Just standing up for the more moderate wing of the party. The Bill Clinton, John Kennedy wing of the party.

[Stinky The Clown]

74. Your personal arrogance is not a tribute to the names you claim to ....

... stand up for.

And if you thnk your arrogance is going to win anyone to your viewpoint, you have lots to learn. The only purpose you serve is to stir swill, and I suppose for some, that's a needed occupation, too.

Have at it.

[Minnesota Libra]

16. Common sense alone says.......

no one ever agree with anyone - politician or anyone else, 100% of the time. It never has happened and never will happen.

That's what is wrong with this country's politics, we expect our leaders to be something greater than we are but in reality they are our neighbors until we vote them in as leaders.

I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said it best, "You can please some of the people all the time, you can please all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time."

[RufusEarl]

17. This country has a two party system

like it or not! But if we're going to be stuck with just two different political parties, then they damn well better have different political views.

I understand the premise of politics, "it's lets make a deal" Making deals is part of the process, but we as democrats need real opposing views to that of republicans.

For argument sake when we say we're the party of environmentalist, then we need to know and understand that our national forest and parks are well protected from corporations that only care about the bottom line and investors.

I need to know that the democrat that i'm voting for, knows the difference between a democrat and a republican. So far with allot of democrats in our party, it's getting very hard to tell the difference.

[Robbien]

18. These daily DLC threads just turn people further away from the DL:C

Follow the DLC. You must. We are the LEADERS.

Thread after thread, Day after day.

Just makes people want to run futher away from anything to do with the DLC.

[xultar]

19. You are correct. Intolerance for other POV has become quite the

new and happening thing.

But Joe is a WHOLE DIFFERENT thing...JOE HUGS AND KISSES BUSH for his own gains where the policy with Israel is concerned.
Joe is all for the war in Iraq...for Israel and what he thinks will help the middle east where Israel is concerned and not for peace sake. That to me is WRONG. JOE is WRONG.

I can't speak for the Democrats in Connecticut but I don't like him. I can't tell them for whom they should vote in Nov 2k6

[liberalhistorian]

80. No, but apparently killerbush thinks he and his ilk

have the right to demand who the Dems vote for; how dare they even consider voting for anyone other than the anointed leader, Lieberman.

[TankLV]

87. AND he scolds DEMOCRATS who dare to criticize his fellow WAR CRIMINAL!

Don't ever forget THAT gem!

[leesa]

20. Nah, it just depresses me...because it ensures business as usual.

War, corporate corruption without end.

[salin]

21. Seems to me that is reciprocated (that populist liberals frighten the DLC)

and I find the whole back and forth counter productive for all.

[union_maid]

24. I want the DLC to talk about trade and jobs

Some articles on their site indicate that there as been some recognition, at least in some quarters, of the "unintended consequences" of the economic policies that they, as well as Republicans, have supported. Actually, those policies have been a miserable failure except for the millionaires who have now become billionaires. Growth has led to increased income disparity here and in other countries. Internationally, it's led to devastating poverty among populations that were managing a substistence sort of living before. It's led to a resurgance of socialism - elected and popular. If the DLC wants to acknowlege that it's been a mess and not just blame Bush for not having the same kinds of side agreements that Clinton did, I'll be happy to listen. Until then, I view their politics with deep suspicion. Not all of them, of course. Some seem to have quietly abandoned the DLC line on a lot of things.

*edited for typos

[papau]

26. The only way Joe can come back to the Dem folks is give the finger to the

insurance companies and endorse single payer national health.

Hell, he had a hard time objecting to the destruction of Social Security's defined benefit structure via Bush's individual savings accounts ('cause his friends the insurance buddies thought they might make a few dollars by holding that money and would not give him permission to say anything against individual accounts).

[democrank]

27. killerbush......Proud Liberal here.

After umpteen decades as a voting Democrat, I can say I`ve never agreed 100% with the person I voted for, with the exception of Wes Clark.

I have resolute core beliefs which are different from my debateable opinions. These core beliefs are what I draw from before I decide who will get my vote.

I`m neither scared to death of the DLC nor do I have "vile hatred" toward Joe Lieberman. What I do feel is disgust toward anyone who could continue to support Bush`s morally reprehensible, criminal invasion of Iraq.

[Totally Committed]

29. Absolutely beautifully said....

I bow to you.

TC

[OneBlueSky]

28. they don't scare me . . . they disgust me . . . n/t

.

[killerbush]

30. Call it what you want, the DLC scares you.

Like moderate Republicans scare the conservative Republican base. You cannot tolerate dissention. Somebody who doesn't agree with you views, are immediately drawn and quartered.

[Kingofalldems]

36. Your avator is puzzling

'Impeach Bush'-----And you support someone who seems to have a hero worship for the man.

[killerbush]

63. Yes, impeach Bush, disagree with Joe on the war

[TheWatcher]

66. Oh, we beleive you're for real

REALLY, we do. :eyes:

[TankLV]

88. Yep - just joined up a month ago to SCOLD us, too!

[Vickers]

72. Seriously, you disagree with Joe about the "war" ?

That would seem like an unbridgeable impasse. :eyes:

[liberalhistorian]

81. But you have no problem with him

kissing and hugging and sucking up to Bush and demanding that "Democrats who mistrust Bush need to realize that he will be the president for three more years and that any criticism of the president during wartime undermines the country." Yeah, he's a real Dem, all right. :eyes: :puke:

He can take his Bush-loving "you're with us or against us" bullshit and shove it up the part of his ass where his head hasn't reached yet.

[Clark2008]

52. Damn straight they scare me.

I'm scared that the poor and the middle-class will never be represented as both political parties duke it out to cater to the ultra-wealthy and corporations - and that scares the living shit out of me.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

32. You don't like liberals very much, do you? -nt

[killerbush]

34. My brother is a liberal, and I like him fine

[sendero]

33. Give it a rest..

... you are way out of your league.

What you don't understand would fill encyclopedias. If you don't "get" why that Bush kissing war loving Kermit the frog douchebag "senator" is hated, you are a dumbass.

[Name removed]

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[Old and In the Way]

44. Hates Bush, but loves his #1 Democratic defender in the Senate.

go figure...

[killerbush]

50. I'm more than a one issue voter

[Catchawave]

37. "the enemy that must be destroyed? "

fercrissakes. I don't even think that of the republican party :shrug:

[killerbush]

39. That's what some in your party think about the DLC

[Catchawave]

45. "my party?"

Is there one I'm not aware of that you represent then ?!?

[killerbush]

47. I'm not a Democrat, but an independent

But I support Democrats much more than Republicans

[AllieB]

53. So you're a more conservative Independent?

Many independents her on DU seem to be more of Green types than Libertarian types. The only think that I don't like about Joe is his cow-towing to Bush. His record on social issues is fine.

[killerbush]

59. Cow-towing to Bush on ONE ISSUE

[AllieB]

61. Yes, and a very important issue. But, as I said, he's record on social

issues is fine.

You did not, however, answer my original question. :-)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

68. Try 2. Forgot his incredibly evil comment about the morning-after pill? nt

[killerbush]

62. Foreign policy issues yes, Social issues, no

[Clark2008]

55. You do realize that just because one is DLC doesn't mean

they're automatically moderate, don't you?

DLCers are corporate lackeys - not necessarily middle-of-the-road Democrats.

That's a BIG, HUGE difference.

One can be a moderate Democrat and still not support the corporate ass-kissing the DLC engages in regularly.

[killerbush]

60. Sure, I understand it, but

Most DLC'ers are more moderate than your basic Democrat

[Clark2008]

71. Not really.

They are, in fact, very right-wing on certain issues.

A moderate is someone who seeks to compromise, not capitulate.

[IndianaGreen]

76. DLC's Will Marshall worked for McCain's campaign

You are right about moderates not being the same as DLC corporatists.

[Catchawave]

57. Thanks for clarifying....

I think?

[Old and In the Way]

54. "your party"? nt

[TankLV]

89. Says it all, doesn't it?!

[IndianaGreen]

75. "some in 'your party' think about the DLC"? Freudian slip, killerbush?

:eyes:

[liberalhistorian]

82. Yes, and that's what the repigs have

thought of the Democratic Party for a long time and are damn near reaching their goal of gutting and destroying it, with a lot of help from the DLC. But that's okay with you, I suppose. We're not allowed to think anything bad of the opposition, but the repigs are allowed to think anything they want of us without a peep from you. Yeah, right.

[AtomicKitten]

43. no offense

but I'm really tired of this DLC versus the far left crap at DU.

We better figure out a way to find some common ground if we expect to work together, and that's something we really need to do to take our country back.

[killerbush]

48. Hey, I'm willing to work with the DNC

Talk to the DLC haters out there.

[AtomicKitten]

51. you have a point

and unfortunately so do they.

There is no mediating this war. It just has to stop.

[LittleClarkie]

67. You say "DLC haters" the way the right says "Bush haters"

as if we just hated him with no reason.

People who are pissed at the DLC are pissed for a reason, I reckon. It's not an irrational fear or somesuch. It's not like they're chasing the DLC with torches and pitchforks like some kind of fearful mob.

The better question would be to ask why they're pissed, rather than assume they have no reason, or merely misunderstand the DLC.

[killerbush]

69. Take a look at the DLC record, and you'll understand

http://www.dlc.org

[LittleClarkie]

70. Understand what?

And I've seen their website. So?

[Hippo_Tron]

73. Lieberman undermines other democrats on the war

I'm not going to argue where he stands on every other issue because frankly I don't give a shit. Iraq is THE most important issue to me and Lieberman is a very vocal supporter of the continued slaughter of Iraqis and American soldiers for Bush's oil money. I'm not saying that I would stay home or vote for a Republican over him, but Ned Lamont is certainly a viable alternative.

[idlisambar]

83. The last 20% happens to be issues that people are passionate about

Iraq, Mideast policy, trade. It is also that he has shown peculiar deference to the white house on all matters relating to the war on terror, and he often undercuts more liberal Democrats with his rhetoric, like in his response to Feingold's censure.

[TankLV]

84. It's a well thought-out and researched hatred - including repuke ass

kissing and democrat bashing LIEberman.

You DO remember his dissing of us who DARED to criticize the WAR CRIMINAL, don't you? I'm sure you do!

As well as the DLC publicly stated plan to purge us liberals and progressives from the party, huh!?

I am so sick & tired of DLC and LIEberman apologists!

[depakid]

86. Presumptuous flamebait

Vacuous, too.

People KNOW the DLC by the polices they advocate, enable and cross party lines to vote for.

In other words- far right policies. Republican policies.

So, in your mind, we're supposed to legitimize...err...tolerate far right Republican policies?

And undercut traditional Democratic values?

[proud patriot]

90. I'm locking this thread

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