Fed up with this....Can`t you just get along with the DLC?....stuff.

[democrank]

The answer is no. No, I can`t just get along with the DLC. I just can`t succumb to these buttery little chats around here about why we should join hands with the DLC and become one. Become one what? One jumbo corporation? Great! We could draw straws to see who goes on Meet the Press to bash the DNC Chairman and the anti-Iraq War activists. Better still, we could throw up an anti-Michael Moore dart board right next to the marble fountain. We could hire another horde of beltway consultants to help fend off the influence of Birkenstock-wearing, church-hating, terrorist-aiding Liberals.

The DLC wants us to think that Democrats who believe as I do are the "fringe." You know, just a few colorful freaks who refuse to get with their program. What`s the program? Glad you asked. It`s called Manufactured Serenity, where all Democrats pledge, after receiving established instructions, to simply nod approvingly. No protests, no thinking outside the box, no mischief-making that might alert the ACLU.

How can the DLC get us to behave? Voicing disapproval is so...so...unRepublican. Allowing Everyday People to rise up and scream about body bags and homeless children shuffling back and forth on the sidewalks lowers an unpleasant fog over the DLC`s beacon. We can`t have that.

America didn`t lose her way because a few Liberals acted up. She lost her way because many in leadership positions were willing to sacrifice long-standing principles and ignore the basic concept of the common good.

If I wanted to be a Republican, I`d just come right out and tell the Town Clerk to put an "R" next to my name and I`d get a giant "W" sticker. If I wanted to support the DLC, I`d send an impressive contribution so I`d end up on their A-List and ask them to sign me up for their Mideast Democracy-Spreading Project.

[acmejack]

1. Did you happen to see what number this post was?

Check it out in the OP's profile! It's an omen I tell you!

I edited this so everyuone else could figure out what I meant. I was blown away by the implications...

[Usrename]

2. A powerful omen.

We can hope.

[IndyOp]

6. You might want to tell everyone what the number is before they post

and/or reply more and the number changes...

:hi:

[femrap]

3. DLC = Pug lite.....

They've sold their soul to the Fortune 500 and the Business Roundtable.

Good post!

[zann725]

30. As often is said, "Putting lipstick on a Pig...."

'Truthiness' at times, IS not pleasant. Ask Stephen Colbert..who at first MSM said his speech at the Nat'l Reportors Dinner was a flop...now EAT their words...since it IS the #1 Ipod download...big time.

[Name removed]

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[jody]

5. Apparently DLC positions are supported by the majority of those who

call themselves Democrats.

If that's true, then the various splinter groups dedicated to specific issues need to either accept the majority Democratic/DLC positions or consider alternative political avenues.

I'm looking forward to the new Democratic Party Platform to see what it says about divisive issues.

The 2004 platform is at http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

[Rowdyboy]

18. The party is no different than it ever was....maybe a little more cohesive

In my first election (1972)Democrats ranged from far-right Jim Eastland, Ross Barnett, Orville Faubus and Lester Maddox to left-leaning George McGovern, Harold Hughes, Bella Abzug, and Jerry Brown. While most democrats are center-left, they are certainly far more moderate than the consensus here on DU.

Its a big party and there should be room for Evan Bayh and Russ Feingold, Dennis Kucinich and Mark Warner and most anyone else legitimate who wants to call him/herself a Democrat...

[skyblue]

29. When some Dems legislate with Repigs, it may be that

the bill that they intend to pass has already gotten enough Republican votes to pass anyway. That does not necessarily make them a Republican. It even attracts moderates to the party. But many Democrats seem to not be able to grasp that possibility.

[pnwmom]

40. Welcome, Skyblue!

And yes, some Democrats think that "compromise" is a four letter word.

[skyblue]

71. And when an incumbent Republican Governor polls very high among

the same electorate which would be voting for a newbie Democratic candidate for Senator that it will be a cinch to get that newbie Democratic candidate into office. And calling a current Democratic Senator a DINO who makes money for the Democratic party and that a Republican Senator candidate(who could be elected, because the incumbent very popular governor of the Republican party has the same electorate as the Senator) who had the name Republican wouldn't be making money for the Republican party and more indebted to the Republican Party and Republican policy.

[Bjorn Against]

20. Where do you get that idea?

Do you really believe that the majority of Democrats support the war in Iraq?

Do you honestly think the majority of Democrats want to give corporations more power?

Do you honestly think the majority of Democrats believe that we should accept the same basic health care system that has left tens of millions uninsured?

I firmly believe that the majority of Democrats are not even close to the DLC on these issues, and all the polls I have seen show that even many Republican voters sit to the left of the DLC on these issues.

If you can find any polls that show the majority of Democrats supporting the DLC positions I would like to see them.

[mom cat]

46. Welcome to DU!

I love your clear forceful arguments!

:hi: :toast: :hi:

[jody]

72. Suggest you browse polls at the link below.

Political Reform Polls

[Bjorn Against]

73. did you notice the most recent of those polls is from 2003...

and they were all conducted by the DLC. If the polls were going in their favor don't you think they just might publish some of the ones that have been conducted over the last three years?

[jody]

74. I know the source of the polls. Please provide links to polls that refute

the polls I cited.

[Bjorn Against]

80. What poll did you cite?

You just linked to a whole bunch of articles that included polling data from at least three years ago but you never mentioned a specific poll. I am not about to search for polls to refute every single one of them, because for one thing it would be a waste of time and another thing I didn't see much in there that refuted anything that I said, unless you consider polls on war related issues that were taken right after September 11th to accurately represent American opinions today. Until you cite a specific poll related to one of the issues I cited in my original post, I can not do anything because I don't even know what I am supposed to refute.

[jody]

81. You asked in # 20, "If you can find any polls that show the majority of

Democrats supporting the DLC positions I would like to see them."

I gave you a link to such polls in #72.

Please read those polls and provide sources to polls that refute the polls at the link in #72.

[Bjorn Against]

82. I ask again WHICH POLL

It would take a long time to read through every single one of those polls and respond to each one individually I have better things to do, if you can cite a single poll related to the issues I mentioned in my original post I will respond. I quite simply don't have time to read every one of those polls, and I doubt you have read them all either. I want specific data not just a page with links. You have not cited a single poll yet and I cannot respond until you do.

[jody]

96. I will not do your work for you. Have a pleasant evening. Goodbye. n/t

[Bjorn Against]

99. It is not my work, and if you can't do the simple task of finding a poll..

you must not be too confident in your original post. It is not my job to comb through and analyze huge amounts of data and respond to each piece of it as that would take weeks and most of it is not relevant to anything I said. I provided the polls to back up my claims you provided nothing except a bunch of old articles which did not refute any of my claims as far as I can see. Sure I did not read them all the way through, but I don't think you did either if you can't cite a single poll. Goodbye (Unless of course you get back to me with a specific poll to respond to).

[Bjorn Against]

98. Self delete

[Bjorn Against]

94. Here are some polls to back up what I said

More Americans -- 57 percent -- say sending troops to Iraq was a mistake than the 48 percent who called Vietnam an error in April 1968, polls by the Princeton, New Jersey-based Gallup Organization show.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aO9FvxAJz8Pw&refer=us

A nationwide survey by the authoritative Pew Research Center found that 65% of Americans said they support "government health insurance even if taxes increase." Even among those identified as "social conservatives," 59% support a tax-financed government system. For other groups, the percent supporting were: "populist conservatives" (63 percent), "conservative Democrats" (73 %) and "liberals" (90 percent). Only one group, "Enterprisers" (libertarian conservatives), did not provide majority support (24 %)
Pew Research Center, "Beyond Red vs. Blue," Survey Report, 5/10/05

http://www.everybodyinnobodyout.org/DOCS/Polls.htm#GovHI

A whopping 90% of Americans surveyed by a new Harris Interactive poll believe big business has too much power and influence in Washington D.C. That percentage is the highest ever, up 4% from last year.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/articles_2005/business_power_poll.php

[LWolf]

100. That's an interesting suggestion.

It looks like you are suggesting that the DLC is the "majority," and that non-DLC dems are "splinter groups."

Moreover, I believe you just said that we ought to get in line behind the DLC or "consider alternative political avenues." Sounds like a purge to me.

Are you really calling for a purge of all non-DLC democrats who won't get in line with the DLC?

[LittleClarkie]

7. I'm fed up with all y'all myself

They ain't going noplace. You ain't going noplace. You're both either going to co-exist or continue sniping. I find it quite tedious to say the least.

[acmejack]

9. If it is so tedious you really didn't have to jump in & post here did you?

No you didn't! You make assumptions and take the left for granted, delivering ultimatums is not the way to achieve harmony LC. It has never been and it never will be. Confrontation will not deliver your peaceful coexistence either. So I ask you to cease and desist.

[LittleClarkie]

10. No ultimatums. Just saying either y'all will get along or you won't

and that's about it. Just stating the obvious, something I'm good at, I'm told.

I'm not taking either for granted. But I don't see where threads like this help much. And I feel the same about the DLC people who purposely bait the left.

So there. :P

[acmejack]

14. Thats true as well

Point well taken.

[Totally Committed]

8. TELL IT LIKE IT IS!

Thank you democrank!!! Gorgeous and 1000% TRUE!!!


TC

[Placebo]

11. Your side will never win.

And neither will the DLC.

The Democratic Party will always be a big tent encompassing all points of view, and we are all the better for it.

[Voltaire99]

27. Heh.

Do you know what Chesterton said about an open mind?

“Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”

Ditto for "big tents"--a sweaty, bulging metaphor for an unprincipled mob. (Hence the presumptuous DLC's very name, in fact: it is designed to lead you to your rightful positions.) You can side with the DLC and its wars of opportunity, its cuddling of corporate malefactors, and all its trembling before fascism if you like. I won't.

[Placebo]

32. Are you insane?

You took my honest, pleasant, reasoned comment and responded with:

"Sweaty, bulging" -- You're making me hot under the collar

"DLC's very name is designed to lead you" -- What the hell are you talking about? They're not trying to "lead" (or "force", as I'm sure you're implying) people into any political positions. Your side, however, is.

"the DLC and its ware of opportunity" -- When did the DLC ever declare or wage a war of "opportunity"?

"It's cuddling of corporate malefactors" -- Oh, you mean like Ned Lamont owning Halliburton stock? Or how about Dean who still tries to suck as much money from corporations as possible, however, he isn't very good at it.

"Trembling before fascism" -- Please. Just...please.


There is a point where you're no longer dishing out healthy and logical criticisms, and have just gone off the deep end.

Seriously. You need help. You're so full of vitriol, anger, and hatred you can barely breathe. Just because those of us to the right of Lenin & Trotsky don't agree with you, doesn't mean we're traitors.

[tulip]

53. Exactly

That's why I'm a Democrat. As soon as someone saids I have to think like them........they lose me. I will pick and choose how and what I wish to believe. Sometimes it's far to the left and sometimes it's with the DLC. Only control freaks want to get rid of the DLC and vice versa. Down with Control Freaks!!!!

[ShortnFiery]

64. IMO, the DLC will be the reason that the Democratic Party

will NOT field a winning Presidential Candidate in 2008.

I'm all for keeping Democrats in the Legislative Branch. However, I'm done with voting for Republican Lites (Pro-Corporate Investor Class) as my President.

No More, no more. :(

The Democratic Party as I remember it in the past (70s) was MAINLY for The People first. Our new crop of so called "Progressive Democrats" are first and foremost for lining their pockets and cuddling up to corporate America. IMO, that should NOT be part of our Big Tent inclusiveness.

Democrats = For the People and Small Business
Republicans = For Large Corporations and the Investor Class Greed

If we can't make the above distinction, then IMO we (The Democratic Party) will not win another Presidential Race in the foreseeable future.

[AtomicKitten]

12. IMO both sides are fringe with their ravings about ousting the other

I don't know about others here at DU, but I really would like it to stop. The point is we are all Democrats and we better make peace with that notion. We have hard work ahead and we need all hands on deck.

[usregimechange]

13. The DLC better be getting along with us!

[bvar22]

15. K&R

Please,
Can't the Slave Owners and the Slaves just get along.
Shouldn't the Slaves just cast their votes for the Slave Owners in the name of Party Unity?
:rofl:

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

44. Please...

...can't people realize when they put up strawmen they lose all credibility?



See you in November.

[sueh]

17. I'm with you, democrank.

There is no leadership in the DLC, time to find leadership elsewhere.
Al Gore, if you're reading this, please run!!

[iconoclastNYC]

19. Right on.

The DLC gives us Democrats like Joe Liberman and Jane Harman....sellouts that carry water for the GOP.

There is no room under the Democratic big tent for corporatists and neocons.

[PassingFair]

21. Why do you hate Chardonnay?

[Kurovski]

22. The DLC does not represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

I think there was a presidential hopeful in '04 who somewhat alluded to that right-ward drift.

Me likey your post, democrank. Recommended.

[CrispyQ]

23. Right on, democrank! Right on!

The DLC is the Neocons attempt to infiltrate the Democratic Party.


Welcome to our one-party state.

[LincolnMcGrath]

24. Recommended Greatest

[tavalon]

25. No, the DLC are trying to destroy the Democratic Party

So, no, I cannot just get along.

[Name removed]

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[CrispyQ]

70. My prophcy...

The real conservatives & the DLC dems will join together to squash the neocons. The real democrats will splinter off forming a new progressive party. The resulting two new parties: the Corporates & We The People.

;)

[MrBenchley]

28. Today's crappy little "Two Minute Hate" from the "We hate Democrats" club.

Meanwhile the far left is working hard to give Connecticut a Republican govenor AND senator.

[Robbien]

31. Lieberman out Republicans many Republicans. Hopefully not for long.

Most DLCers out Republican many Republicans.

We don't hate Democrats, we hate pro-big business cronies wearing Democratic masks.

[Placebo]

34. "Two Minutes of Hate"

That's priceless. It's exactly the way most of these people are. They're so full of hatred and anger they can barely see straight.

[LincolnMcGrath]

36. We could always try the waffles.

[LoZoccolo]

39. I have proof of the not seeing straight.

Check it out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2035218

[Placebo]

45. You, sir, are my new hero.

:applause:

[MrBenchley]

55. Thanks. Some of these "progressive purists"

would be right at home in a lynch mob.

[LincolnMcGrath]

67. Speaking of Progressive Purists causing division...

Lynch Mob

[MrBenchley]

77. Yes, McGrath,, you ARE a poor excuse for a poster....

But it's fun to see you stick up for right wing scum like the NRA....

[LincolnMcGrath]

84. Way to elevate the discourse MrB

Only in your tortured alternate reality did I stick up for the NRA.

[LincolnMcGrath]

35. Are you still a member of that club Mr B?

[MrBenchley]

57. No, McGrath, I leave that to such as you....

See, I've found out how utterly full of shit our DLC-haters are....

[LincolnMcGrath]

66. Are you looking in a mirror right now Mr B?

How are the waffles this morning, Bench?

[MrBenchley]

75. No, McGrath, i'm looking at you

and you have nothing to say worth hearing, as usual.

[LincolnMcGrath]

85. Can I get a witness to your waffling?

[MrBenchley]

90. I doubt you can get anything but tedious

[LincolnMcGrath]

91. I did expose your fraudulent stance on the DLC though.

And I know it stung you quite a bit.

[MrBenchley]

92. No, all you did was show how little you have to say worth hearing....

[LincolnMcGrath]

93. And you showed everyone your substantial knowledge of Vt.

[leftstreet]

37. "far left?" Are they for national healthcare? Where do I sign up?

Where's this "far left" party?

:shrug:

[Hippo_Tron]

79. The GOP in Connecticut is running token opposition in the Senate race

The ONLY way that the seat will go to the GOP is if Lieberman runs as an independent after the primary. Either Lieberman or Lamont will easily win the general election in a two way race.

And Connecticut has a Republican governor who has 70%+ approval rating and isn't going to be unseated. So any work that the left is doing in this race is work toward a forgone conclusion.

And while we're on the subject of primary challengers, would you agree that Ed Case shouldn't be challenging Akaka in the primary?

[SOS]

101. Could you clarify

how supporting Democrat Ned Lamont, running in the Democratic primary, to become the Democratic Senator from Connecticut qualifies as "hating" Democrats?
:shrug:

[LynneSin]

105. It's expected - I'm thinking there are about 25 of them at DU

they all jump on and nominate their thread. But they don't realize that's this is bigger than just "ME" but it's our country getting royal fucked because there are more Republican (and I'm talking the ones who are registered as such) then democrats.

Simple math says whoever has the most gets control, gets the congressional seats and gets to decide what bills we'll vote on and what bills gets permanently 'lost' in committee.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's all about "ME" and "MY" unwillingness to see past our nose and what the real battle is

[Marnieworld]

33. The DLC does not speak for me

They call me fringe. I call them traitors.

[LoZoccolo]

38. Funny you should say that because in my particular thread...

...I found NOT ONE person able to show the Republicans are as good or better than the DLC's goal to rid child hunger by 2012:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2640228&mesg_id=2640228

To me it appears the mudslinging at the DLC is without substance. Talk about concrete things and the discussion disintegrates.

[pnwmom]

41. Hi, LoZoccolo -- couldn't follow the link. Is it still up?

[LoZoccolo]

42. Here you go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2640228&mesg_id=2640228

Check out the other one I posted above in reply #47 too!

[AtomicKitten]

43. Consider the fact that some cling to a 6-year old manifesto,

an opinion piece by disgruntled, third party types that hate everyone as the source of their mantra, no wonder some are out of touch with reality. They could benefit from picking up a newspaper or reading a history book, but that kind of enlightenment would be deemed drinking the kool-aid in their narrow view of the universe.

Voltaire99: "...Now, being a Gorebovore, you probably haven't read Alexander Cockburn's and Jeffrey St. Clair's Al Gore: A User's Manual (Verso, 2000). The first chapter's up for free on Amazon, though I suspect you'll want to buy the whole witty, marvelous shebang. You could do worse than to learn a bit about your idol that hasn't been regurgitated by hagiographers."

Feh. I'm disgusted with this crap.

[MrBenchley]

56. It's worth noting that the Progressives have their own group like the DLC

but that not even they seem to give two shits about its proposals and candidates....

As a result all we have is this endless, mindless din aboujt how much they hate hate hate Democrats.

[LoZoccolo]

58. Netroots is largely a spectator sport.

Seriously, all this stuff is like entertainment to a lot of people. The Internet has been really cool...case in point is how the Colbert thing got popular despite it being sparsely covered at first...but there are people who use it, and there are people who live on it.

[MrBenchley]

76. Meanwhile in the real world

one never hears rubbish like "Hillary is a corporowhore".....

By the way, there's been lots of screaming about the term "Hate Democrats Crowd," almost all of it from the people it fits like a glove.

Virginia has a racist Republican senator, George Allen, who is one of the front runners for the GOP Presidential nod. There are just 35 threads in this folder attacking him....and only nine promoting his opponent.

But Joe Lieberman....there are too many threads attacking him for search to count...the function ran out of space after 123 threads.

Telling, no?

[Name removed]

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[SOS]

102. George Allen is a GOP front runner for the Presidency?

:rofl:

[reprehensor]

47. "You speak with a fiery tongue."

Fiery flames of truth.

[mod mom]

48. I have only been working as a volunteer since Nov 3, closing my business

to focus on election reform and bringing justice to this country. I am NOT willing to vote for DLC or any DINO. We need to make serious change to what this country has become. The inequity in voting, with wages, and with social justice is almost more than I can bear. This loss of income, and absence from the work force (at least the income producing work force) has changed my attitude about voting. I will NO LONGER be a straight party voter. A candidate must earn my vote. I WILL NOT support those who put the interests of corporations over their base. I also WILL NOT vote (or donate $) for any elected official who did not stand up against the GOP stolen election and push for every vote to be counted. I support the TRUE Dems and where there are none, then I will look to third party candidates.

[LoZoccolo]

49. "I am NOT willing to vote for DLC or any DINO."

I am not willing to listen to what you have to say until the election.

There are people who know how to get more of what they want, and then the rest. And until then, I don't have so much time to listen to the rest. Got work to do.

[mod mom]

50. As I said, I have been working not only on election reform but also as a

campaign manager (w/o pay), so if you are implying that you are too busy working while others are only writing -you are wrong. Go ahead and work for the status quo. I am glad that those who I work with are demanding real change.

[eleny]

51. self deleted

[Independent_Liberal]

52. Three Words: FUCK THE DLC!

You heard me.

:)

[depakid]

54. Bottom line is that the DLC has cost the Dems their relevancy

in national politics.

And if the Dems continue to follow the same Republican lite "strategy" as they have during the past several elections, the result will be the same:

A seventh straight loss.

And there you have it- aside from being far right enablers with ZERO integrity, the DLC and their ilk are losers.

Wanna lose again? Just keep on following their "lead."

[RDU Socialist]

59. tell me, when democrats nominated really really liberal candidates

like George McGovern and Walter Mondale, how well did they fare? How many states gave all their electoral votes to them?

[depakid]

61. You're talking ancient history

and completely different issues and dynamics.

That's like planning to fight battles two and three wars ago.

You're also talking about a presidential campaign- not congressional elections.

Got anything better than that?

[Douglas Carpenter]

62. and 16 years after Barry Goldwater lost by a landslide someone

to the right of Goldwater (Reagan) won by a landslide

BTW Mondale ran on a program to actually increase military spending 7% beyond Reagan levels and keep most of Reagan's tax and spending cuts.

Dukakis ran as a fiscal conservative/pro-big business/ technocratic "new Democrat". And of course President Carter hardly ran as a liberal.

The simple fact is, it's been 34 years since there has a been a clearcut liberal running on a liberal agenda.

The Democratic controlled Congress gave Reagan most of what he wanted, George Sr. most of he wanted and President Clinton, well I don't know what to say.

The so-called "centrist" have had their chance for the past 34 years. Perhaps we should try something different for a change.

--------------

recent polls by the Pew Research Group, the Opinion Research Corporation, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS News

http://alternet.org/story/29788

1.65 percent say the government should guarantee health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.
2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage (including 79 percent of selfdescribed "social conservatives").
3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.
4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.
5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.
6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.
7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down."
8. 69 percent believe America is on the wrong track, with only 26 percent saying it's headed in the right dire

Borrowed from:
LynnTheDem

a super-majority of Americans are liberal in all but name
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051107/alterman
Public opinion polls show that the majority of Americans embrace liberal rather than conservative positions...
http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2002-04-16-liberal.shtml
The vast majority of Americans are looking for more social support, not less...
http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/borosage-r.html

http://people.umass.edu/mmorgan/commstudy.html

Some more polls:

http://www.democracycorps.com/reports/analyses/Democracy_Corps_May_2005_Graphs.pdf

http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html

http://www.cdi.org/polling/5-foreign-aid.cfm

[LincolnMcGrath]

68. Stop, with all your damn silly facts!

Some DUers won't be happy until Jimmy Carter is censured, and are doing there best to keep the Democratic party in the minority.

[Placebo]

60. I can't believe...

that at a time when more people hate Bush than ever before, the dems on DU are trying to divide the Democratic Party like never before. It's pretty sick.

[Douglas Carpenter]

63. but its not the Dems on DU who started this divisiveness

Al From, Will Marshall, Marshall Whitman and many other leading so-called "centrist" figures have been calling progressives names like "fringe" or "far left" for years. And they have dominated the Democratic Party for a long time. They have caused great damage to the entire Democratic Party by echoing right-wing Republican talking points. The GOP gets great help in spreading their propaganda from this ilk.

One leading "centrist" figure, Peter Beinart former Editor of the New Republic even went so far as to call for a purge of virtually the entire progressive movement from the Democratic Party.

Having said this, not all "centrist" are the same. Not all DLC members are the same.

In fact two leading "centrist" figures Ruy Teixeira and John Judis, coauthors of "The Emerging Democratic Majority" denounced this lunacy.

Oh, What a Lovely Day for a Purge! by Ruy Teixeira - link:

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000986.php

"Peter Beinart, editor of the The New Republic, proposes in their latest magazine that Democrats stop all this unity nonsense and get down to what's really important: purging the party of all those wrong-headed "softs" who don't have the backbone to stand up (really stand up) to the new totalitarian threat of Islamic fundamentalism. Their failure to "report for duty" (Beinart specifically mentions only MoveOn and Michael Moore but I think his criteria for softness would also implicate most of the liberal blogosphere, most Dean campaign activists, a good chunk of the leadership of the 527s and countless others within the party) cost the Democrats the White House in 2004 and will do so forever until Democrats decisively remove them from power and influence in the party. Yes, it's purge time in the glorious spirit of the late '40s actions against Communists and those soft on them within the Democratic party."

Then John Judis added:

"Initiating factional warfare with, or even purging, everyone to the left of Joe Lieberman will not create a viable Democratic Party. Okay, that may be an exaggeration of what Peter prescribes, but there are clear echoes in his essay of Ben Wattenberg's Coalition for a Democratic Majority, which tried to do something similar after the 1972 Democratic defeat by creating a party centered around Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson. The voters didn't buy it, and they won't buy Peter's party either.
Peter also misunderstands MoveOn.org and the various other Internet-based groups that have sprung up in the last five years. They are not an old-fashioned militant left but part of a college-educated post-industrial center-left politics that was developing under Bill Clinton in the 1990s. One of their big issues was the deficit, hardly a left-wing concern. They became identified with "the left" because they were early and prescient opponents of the Iraq war--a position that can no longer simply be identified with the left and that is not a reason to criticize them. Sure, they shouldn't have participated in marches with the Workers World Party, but these new movements are organized by people who don't have long political pedigrees. If anything, they are the best hope for a new moral vision that will animate the Democrats."

link to full article:

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000986.php

[ShortnFiery]

65. It's NOT just the Dems here on DU

The DLC has been shunning us LIBERAL AMERICANS throughout the past two Presidential Campaigns. I'm disgusted with the meme, "just shut up and vote for the DLC candidate we choose!" as well as their asinine use of the milque toast word *progressive* due to their FEAR of the Republican Noise Machine.

We need a Presidential Nominee with backbone, not a kiss-ass to the Multi-National Corporations.

I'm (and many other left of center Democrats) sick of my party being for The People SECOND, if at all. :grr:

Fuck the DLC! Yes, indeedy. :P :woohoo:

[LincolnMcGrath]

69. If you were addressing everyone opening up a discussion here,

you might have more credibility.

Everyone, including your hero above.

[MrBenchley]

78. The far left hate the Democrats

Here's an apt illustration: Nancy Pelosi doesn't support an impeachment motion now....so according to our "left Democrats" she's a "lameass", "gutless wonder", "useless, spineless, posturing, fingerintheair asswipe", part of the "Elite Ruling Class who are there to protect the status quo of fascism", a "Pro-War Monger", "stupid, irresponsible", "worse than Tojo!...practically Adolf Eichmann to Bush's Milosevic", "another politician not willing to enforce the laws of the United States when it comes to the executive branch", "wimp", etc. etc. etc...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2489288

Non-Democrat Bernie Sanders doesn't support an impeachment notion now...but he's just "pragmatic"...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2502793

The wonder is how transparent this crap is.

[Placebo]

83. Thank you.

An excellent little summation of how insane the hatred of the far left is for Democrats when they don't obey their 100% of their demands.

[LincolnMcGrath]

86. Lets talk about gun owning Democrats.

Where is the insane hatred coming form now?
Who was it again that said the DLC was IDIOTIC?
Was it your newfound brother in arms?
While you are peaking to him, ask him about the little left leaning district that Bernie Sanders presides over. :rofl:

[MrBenchley]

87. Here's another example...

Just in this folder alone there's only 35 threads attacking George Allen, the racist senator from Virginia, and just nine promoting James Webb, the Democrat fighting to defeat him. But there are more threads than "Search" can display attacking Democrat Joe Lieberman (the function stopped at 123 threads)....

[Name removed]

89. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Placebo]

95. It almost defies explanation.

Democrats spend more time ripping their own politicians apart then they do the opposition. And we wonder why we lose.

[LincolnMcGrath]

97. "Democrats spend more time ripping their own politicians apart"

Boy, I couldn't agree more. I give you the following...

Everytime I run into anyone from the DLC or anyhting any of them say, I'm reminded of what Harry Truman once said: "Give the voters a choice between a Republican and a Democrat pretending to be a Republican, and they'll vote Republican every time."

[SOS]

106. the DLC/McCain Bull Moose blog

is a marvelous place to read about the evil liberals.
They hate "Kommisar Krugman" almost as much as Hollywood Al Gore.
And those familiar with the 1912 election may wonder why this DLC blog is named "Bull Moose".
Prepping a McCain/Lieberman 2008?
With friends like these.....

Edit to add link:

http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/

[Zorra]

103. Why do we need the DLC? Republicans are republicans,

Democrats are Democrats, and the DLC'ers seem to be Democrats that want to be more like republicans.

Why should I, a proud lifelong yellowdog Democrat, have anything but contempt for the DLC? I passionately detest everything about republicans and the republican party. Republicans are all full of shit, and they have been full of shit as long as I have been alive. I have seen what these flying monkey conservatives have done to my country, and I have fought against their persistent attempts to destroy democracy and freedom in America since I was a kid. Republicans are fascists, plain and simple. There is no common ground. The current state of our nation is the direct result of conservative fascists gaining full control of our government. The facts are in. The evidence cannot be contested.

Not. Very. Pretty.

So it just naturally really pisses me off when people try to convince me to embrace a "Third Way" ideology that to me is nothing but an insidious corporate republican fascist attempt to turn the Democratic Party into some democratically and socially ineffective hybrid DLC party.

Republicans are wrong, and our history has proven this over and over. They deliberately screw this country up at corporate behest at every opportunity.

Democrats may not be perfect, but adopting republican ideologies and practices is definitely not any kind of strategy for improving the Democratic Party.

IMO, most conservative Democrats are Democrats that can't stand being called liberal because Rush Limbaugh or Ronald Reagan or some other POS fascist propagandist bullshitted them, directly or indirectly, into believing that liberals are bad and conservatives are good.

But the fact of the matter is this: Liberals have been consistently responsible for fighting for and maintaining everything that is good about this country, while conservatives have consistently tried to turn our nation into a fascist totalitarian state.

And right now the conservatives are winning.

[LynneSin]

104. I don't want a republican representing me OR running congress

and since I feel stronger about not having republicans running congress then I'll happily vote for my DLC senator

[The Magistrate]

107. Locking

This has become a flame-war.