Lou Dobbs is a racist xenophobe...agree?

[jackbourassa]

I think he has lost his mind. He's now talking about a "radical military latino" organization that wants to take the southwest back for Mexico. He's using data from studies conducted by racist groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), the same group that Trent Lott spoke to before he was removed as Senate Majority Leader.

This guy is beginning to remind me of Howard Beale from the 1976 movie "Network" after his nervous breakdown. Only Dobbs is less profound.

Give some of your own examples of Dobbs racism and take the poll:

[jackbourassa]

1. Anyone...Anyone...

Bueller...Bueller...

[Kutjara]

2. He's sick.

;)

[andino]

3. The man is right about illegals hurting the education and health care

systems. Well, at least that was the case in Oklahoma last year.

[jackbourassa]

4. No he's not.

That's the most racist argument he makes in my opinion. He had the hispanic mayor of Los Angeles on his show a couple of weeks back, and brought up the fact that the LA school system was one of the worst because it had so many "illegals." He then went on to offer some stupid irrelevant statistic (his favorite tactic) that showed 60% of all students in the district were hispanic (not illegal mind you, just hispanic). He suggested that if these "illegals" weren't in school that the system would perform better. Never mind that many of these "children" of "illegals" are actually children BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.

But in reality, many hispanics - be they illegal or not - are poor and live in condensed, poor neighborhoods. The school system suffers from a lack of adequate funding for these inner city schools straight across America (due to the lack of a tax base). After all, the same argument can be made against blacks in any major urban center. Many of their schools are over-crowded, underfunded and ultimately, as a consequence, under perform. You could use some statistic arguing that schools with predominant black populations under perform and bring down overall state test scores and whatnot, just as Dobbs did with hispanic students in Los Angeles county. So would you suggest that the way to improve these schools would be to expel the black students from school? Of course not. No one would stand for such a statement. The NAACP would be rightly outraged by it. How is it any different with hispanics?

Dobbs is just a media whore who is getting his 15 minutes of fame by attacking the most defenseless people in the country. Instead of trying to find real solutions to the problem, he relies on hyperbole in an attempt to inflame opinion by playing to the fears and prejudices of ignorant people for no better reason than to improve his own ratings.

He is no different than George Wallace at his worst, in my opinion.

[andino]

32. Sorry, but I disagree.

My wife did her residency in Oklahoma. There were A LOT of people that came over here because the Mexican government told them that the americans would give them the treatment for their kids for free. Many of them were things like bone marrow transplants and other multi million dollar treatments. The families couldn't and wouldn't pay for them but they received the treatment anyway because the lawsuits for not giving the treatments against the hospital would be for a lot more.

Guess who has to pay for that.....

[unlawflcombatnt]

46. Southern California

That's exactly how it is in Southern California. It is illegal to turn some one away from an Emergency Room because they can't pay. It's a $50,000 fine for both the hospital AND the doctor.

[proud2BlibKansan]

58. It is Illegal if they are DYING

[eowyn_of_rohan]

77. LOL! They have to be EXAMINED first in the ER

to know WHAT, and how serious their condition is...It isn't like "oh look! this guy is DYING! Let him in!" It is illegal to turn someone away who is IN NEED OF MEDICAL CARE.

[Name removed]

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[eowyn_of_rohan]

88. You have no right to call me a xenophobe

and it is WAY too difficult to communicate with you, because you rarely read or think about what people write before you respond (or perhaps it's a cognitive issue). Enjoy your playpen. I suddenly remembered I have MUCH better things to do.

[hiley]

89. Stop the name calling........."You xenophobes"

proud2Blib this is against the rules.

[proud2BlibKansan]

95. Then stop posting false information

Undocumented immigrants do NOT get health care in this country paid for by your tax dollars unless they are dying.

I am just sick and tired of reading they are soaking up our health care dollars, and other social service programs, because they are NOT.

[hiley]

97. "Then stop posting false information" and where did I do this?

I am just sick and tired of reading name calling..
BECAUSE that is what is going on here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

98. There is so much false info being posted here!

How is that name calling - asking folks to research and find facts and look to sources besides Lou Dobbs for the facts?

Do you realize that anti-Hispanic hate crimes are on the rise? That alarms me. This whole debate moves way beyond DU. And it is disgusting.

[hiley]

99. Your avoiding your post to me, Then stop posting false information

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2645989&mesg_id=2650060

That is an accusation that you hurled at me & I am asking you to show me where I posted false information.

A lot of things are disgusting and one thing for sure it is disgusting to see posters here on DU accuse other posters of being "xenophobes" like I said before it is against the rules.

Since when did name calling win someone over to your view point?

[proud2BlibKansan]

100. I am sorry if you took it personally

but it sure appeared you were defending those posting falsehoods. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

102. Back for a quick jab

What the hell falsehoods did I post? You called me a xenophobe because I wrote it is illegal to turn someone away who is IN NEED OF MEDICAL CARE. Cant stop laughing! You are hilarious!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

103. But that is not the whole story

They can be turned away unless they are dying. I told you about a 12 year old who was refused medical treatment. She did nearly die. She only got treatment when her life was nearly over. When she got sick, she was turned away because she was not born here.

We can argue about whether posting part of the facts is the same as posting a falsehood. I find it dishonest at the very least.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

104. To ensure that I don't start calling you names and insulting your

intelligence, I had best not respond. enjoy your day. Gwad ....

[proud2BlibKansan]

105. Here's a better idea

Look up the law and study it.

I work with these families. I have to know the law and how it affects them. They are NOT eligible for any federally funded social programs, like Medicaid, TANF or food stamps. We often dip into our own pockets to help them. Churches and the Salvation Army help out too. Some of us have a hard time watching 12 year olds die and we really don't care where they were born.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

125. Care for a piece of crow pie?

Check out posts 123 and 124

[treestar]

115. If it's illegal then it is a law passed by some representative and

elected body and signed by some elected executive.

Didn't have to be that way. You could have campaigned for the heartless way.

No doubt it applies to Americans, too. In which case, the hospital is relieved from having to determine in a friggin' emergency room the legality status of a person.

[hiley]

120. "I am sorry if you took it personally" Hello you accused me personally

of posting false information.. pot meet kettle.

[unlawflcombatnt]

124. You should know, since you're posting most of it

"There is so much false info being posted here!"

Then you need to stop posting false information, since you're the biggest offender.

Illegal Immigration Suppresses Wages

[hiley]

128. the name calling I referred to is your post that

was deleted because you called another DUer "You xenophobes" and somehow I don't believe you have forgotten that post.

[unlawflcombatnt]

123. Proud2Blib, you're posting false information

Proud2Blib,

You have NO idea what you're talking about. I've personally provided free medical care to many illegal aliens and it WAS paid for by U.S. Tax Dollars. None of these patients were in danger of dying.

And, once again, I was required to provide such care by law, because it is illegal to turn someone away from an emergency room because they cannot pay. I've sutured lacerations on illegal aliens who were in no danger whatsoever of dying.

Again, Proud2Blib, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're posting falsehoods and claiming they're facts, while accusing others of posting false information. You need to stop claiming your anecdotal stories and opinions are fact. They are not.

Illegal Immigration Suppresses Wages

[Andromeda]

131. You should never make statements...

that you can't back up with facts.

[jackbourassa]

90. Which makes health care costs more expensive...

Why not treat them when they are first sick?

[proud2BlibKansan]

96. Because that would be kind and compassionate?

[unlawflcombatnt]

122. Exactly

Once again, if you turn someone away who's already at the ER door, it's a potential $50,000 fine for the doctor and a $50,000 fine for the hospital.

I know this for a fact, because I've worked in an ER and have been threatened with just such a fine.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

126. Very glad to hear from someone who has first hand experience with this

I hope proud2blab sees your last few posts on this subject, and that she responds. Thank you for setting the record straight on this.

[unlawflcombatnt]

121. It's "illegal" if they have a hangnail

It's "illegal" to turn them away if they have a hangnail.

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. It is illegal to use our tax dollars to pay for the medical treatment

of non-citizens! Hospitals cannot turn away dying people. Others get NO treatment on the taxpayers' dime unless they are insured with Medicaid or Medicare. And yes, you MUST be a CITIZEN to have either of those plans.

So some private foundation must be paying for the treatment at the hospitals your wife told you about. It definitely is NOT our tax dollars.

Nice try at twisting the truth and getting everyone excited, though :eyes:

[Desolation]

91. Find a middle range.

I don't think he's a xenophobe racist, but he sure isn't telling the truth.

I'm between those two.

[Andromeda]

132. He is telling the truth...

Listen to him and you'll see that he isn't a racist. He is the only person I know who stands up for the Middle-Class. Right now, our government has abandoned us. There is nobody there standing up for OUR rights. Our elected leaders have all gone AWOL.

[BigYawn]

33. If funding = school success, India should have the worst record

but in reality Indian students in USA do exceedingly well,
even though Indian schools have terribly overcrowded class
sizes, extremely meager funding, and poorly paid teaching staff.

No sir, the real reason for poor grades boils down to parental
influence on their kids.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

70. I think that's a false dichotomy.

Both parental influence and school funding effect the likelihood of a pupil achieving good results.

Note that only a very small fraction of Indians come to the USA, and they will be very disproportionately the best ones, and the ones from richer (and higher caste) families. That they do well indicates that the Indian education system succeeds in educating a few people very well, but tells you nothing about it overall; I don't have any rigorous data on the subject but I think it very probably indeed that there are a lot of people whom it does very badly by, given India's degree of inequality.

Comparing schools with roughly similar intakes here in the UK, it's fairly clear that increasing a school's funding *does* improve the education it provides for the pupils there.

There is no one "real reason" for poor grades, but underfunded or overcrowded schools are certainly among the principle contributory factors. In particular, having a high proportion of students who don't speak English as a first language makes it much harder for a school to provide a decent education unless it receives enough extra money to pay for the support (translators, textbooks in other languages, English lessons etc) that those pupils need.

[jbnow]

36. Actually Dobbs

complains about schools a lot, aside from illegal immigrants. He rants about reports that minorities in some large cities have such a low graduation rate, that those schools often have unqualified teachers, that stats are juggled to make schools look better rather than doing things to help the kids learn and stay in school. He is right.

I didn't hear him blame that issue on "illegals". I like Dobbs on many things but with immigration laws being debated now that is all he seems to focus on and I don't watch much.

The big thing I dod agree with him about on the issue is that it's the employers that should be hit. The fines were set up when Reagan dealt with this, pretty large ones, like $10,000 per offense.

I don't blame people for coming to work here. They know they can find work. My fear is that if they are given legal status but employers are still not being hit that the same employers will prefer new illegals over workers that are legal because they can get away with more. The employees with no legal status can't complain, won't get things like Workman's comp or unemployment. Some employers prefer that.

Dobbs is the only one I heard talk about "illegal employers" a lot. They are the heart of the issue. Employers like Tyson or Mohawk who get pay to have people smuggled in, not because they can't find workers. It doesn't come out until the (legal) workers themselves sue. They do use workers without documents to drive down wages and costs.

I want to see a way people can work legally. No one should risk death to sneak in to get the work. But employers who abuse it should get huge fines.

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. BRAVO!!

:yourock:

[NiteOwll]

5. When I hear Lou Dobbs drone on and on and on...

about illegal immigration, I can't help but smile when I think about how it's projected, that in 40 years, Hispanics will comprise almost a quarter of the U.S. population.

I find this whole illegal immigration debate oddly amusing. I wonder what Native Americans think of the "illegal" immigrants pouring over the U.S. border into "our" country? I'm sure if they were asked, they'd tell us we can ALL take the next boat back to where ever we came from.

[BlakeB]

6. Dobbs is right a fair amount of the time.

But about this issue he is dead wrong, and at times he does border on being a bit racist.

[flordehinojos]

7. lou dobbs seems to get a charge out of going after the illegals.

could he just happen to be a white supremacist? o, gosh! i think he is. he is a racist xenophobe who gets to breathe hot and fast when he has some other white supremacist as his guest.

[rock]

8. His main points seem to be correct

However, he does drone on and on, rather obsessively.

[quickesst]

9. One more time....

Let's not secure our borders. If we don't secure our borders, we invite, not a couple of government agents able to easily transport dirty bombs across BOTH our borders in a simple training excercise, but the real deal with this as not only an example, but more like a blueprint. I can't understand how some dismiss logical steps that would put some kind of civilized order at our borders, and I am damn sick of being called racist by people who basically scream the word, not because of some magnanomous gesture of conscience, but simply to declare as loudly as they can, "LOOK AT ME, I'M COMPETING TO BE THE NUMBER ONE COMPASSIONATE LIBERAL!" If I say, let's secure the borders first, then let immigrants apply for citizenship, like it's been done forever, I'm racist? If I say, let's not secure our borders, let illegals come in the country willy-nilly, without checking any aspect of their intentions, and granting easy, free citizenship, without regard to all those who have worked, sweated, and perservered, in order to obtain a US citizenship, then I am OK, a real liberal with the interests of the people and the country coming first? Give me a hugh, Grand Canyon wide break. Thanks.
quickesst

[trudyco]

13. Here here! Giving citizenship to illegals will have an unexpected

result. They will start taking better jobs and soon the low paying jobs will go to a new crop of illegals. OTOH a guest worker program will legitamize a permanent underclass with no hope of moving up. I think we need to examine ourselves and explain why we feel we have to live in a society propped up by a permanent underclass. I have heard many "liberals" claim that if we don't allow illegals to do the low paying jobs at even lower pay/conditions then our food prices will go up (gasp)or we won't be able to afford house cleaning (Oh no!). Now there may be a reasonable concern in agribusiness that we would get to the price point that all food would be imported, but I think we can figure a way to save our agribusiness without the indignity of propogating a permanent underclass. It's such a WalMart mentality.

Lou Dobbs may be too right wing in his solutions, but he is telling the truth about the problem. Illegals have taken jobs that nobody wants only when the pay/conditions became unreasonable. They don't put as much into the system as they take out because their pay is so low. As far as immigration waves go, they are flooding us. Businesses and schools are catering to them so they don't even have to assimilate, including the kids. I know one illegal who, a few years back, moved from LA to Washington state because she said her kids weren't learning English in school. Some of the "liberal" policies in school really do slow down learning. In Laredo TX the teachers must teach in both English and Spanish. Not one subject in English and another in Spanish. That might actually be beneficial to all. No, every lecture, every instruction, must be said in two languages. Why? A kid should pick up English after a year (at least understanding it). Why does the whole system have to be dragged down by it? As a liberal you can wrap yourslef up in the race for most compassionate towards the unfortunate illegals, but you are only blinding yourself. The swing voters see the down side of illegal immigration. That's why the rethugs are trying to use it for this year's elections.

I also like how Dobbs takes on the exporting of jobs in America. Both illegal immigration and job/company exporting are seriously hurting our country.

[unlawflcombatnt]

48. Yes he is

He "drones on and on" because it's an important issue and there is so much noise to talk over coming from the open borders lobby and the Corporate "cheap labor lobby" that fund them.

He's become far more of an advocate of employer prosecution than he has previously, because Illegal Immigration Suppresses Wages, and that hurts the middle class in this country.

[AzDar]

10. Illegal is illegal. What's so hard to understand?? n/t

[quickesst]

11. Exactly...

And if we choose to ignore those laws, we have no room to accuse the right of ignoring the laws of the US. It is not up to the democrats or the repuglicans to pick and choose which laws should be followed, and which laws should be ignored, circumvented, or broken. Changing a law through the proper legislative process is the only acceptable course. Thanks.
quickesst

[radio4progressives]

15. "illegal is illegal" - Wow.. now that is profound.

when i jay walk, that is an "illegal" act.

The president of the united states is engaged in Domestic Spying on all of it's citizens - not only is it illegal, it is in complete violation of the Constitution and provided in the Bill of Rights.


Illegal is Illegal. but your concern for "illegal is illegal" is about immigration, but not about our Constitution.

How do you rationalize that distinction?

[AzDar]

127. The law SHOULD be applied equally: Bush/Cheney should (at the very least)

be removed from office for their ILLEGAL activities...people here ILLEGALLY should be removed from the Country.
Unfortunately, I don't have much hope for either scenario coming to fruition.

[El Fuego]

12. There's no radical "military" organization

Or even an official organization per se. But there is a radical Latino movement, mostly educated intellectuals, that believes the southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.

I know Lou Dobbs may be going overboard, but it is naive not to consider the implications of having millions of foreign nationals in the U.S. People from other nations don't come here and magically turn into patriotic cyborgs singing the praises of baseball and apple pie by merely breathing American air.

[radio4progressives]

19. The reactionaries, xenophobia and the racism is based on that fear.

"they're coming to take over the united states".

Some may say the chickens are coming home to roost.

The European White Man came and took over this nation (illegally)

The Indigenous peoples, tribes, their land, and their culture were nearly completely annihilated - and the few remaining surviving tribes were relegated to "reservations" which could not be farmed or developed and were otherwise suffered severe climate conditions.

There is a natural affinity with the indigenous people coming in from Mexico - ethnically and culturally. Their histories have a commonality and are interwoven


Now, a century or two or three later, the Gambling industry sprang forth became Native American's "economic equalizer" and casinos are now flourishing creating a weird disconnect to their earlier spiritual cultures. But economic wealth is power in every capitalist system and that will obviously improve Native American tribes access to Washington and the TPB - whether or not they may finally one day achieve that status among TPB is too early to say.

What European Descendent's fear most, if Justice were ever to prevail, that the fate of the Anglos may come to the same end as was meted out on the indigenous tribal people by our ancestors.

I see it as Projecting guilt and fear.


I'm not sure The AZTLAN movement is something which should be "feared" as it is something to understand better.

There's a huge amount of hard core propaganda against the so called "Aztlan Movement" and one would have to devote a significant amount of time and resources to sort through and separate out fact from fiction, or vice versa.

[Igel]

94. The Aztlan movement

has as many foolish race-based assumption as any other race-based movement does. White supremacists, black supremacists, or "Mexica" supremacists (who insist that all Native American achievements are theirs--drawing nicely on the Mexica imperialist and supremacist traditions from the 15th century) ... no difference.

The commonalities and 'interwoven' bits tying together the Meso-Americans in Oaxaca and Cherokees are about as strong as those tying together the Irish and the Divehi.

Positing some kind of race based upon 19th century understandings, and justified simply because of contrast with a loathed European 'other', was a fallacy before, and it remains a fallacy in the absence of any common sense of kinship at the time, or enough genetic markers differentiating the two groups.

In fact, there's a strong case to be made that it's just acknowledging that the white racists were, in fact right for the most part, in error in trivia.

[wizdum]

14. I watch Lou Dobbs regularly and value his reporting...

...he calls corporations and the Bush administration on their lopsided agenda, which is designed to undermine the working class and benefit the elite in this country. He also does cutting edge reporting on border issues, and the government's failure to enforce immigration laws that are already on the books amongst ALL people hoping to get into this country. He also accurately reports on the negative impact the rush of illegal immigrants(from Mexico)is having on the American taxpayer. His show is one of the few on the boob tube that does actual reporting on what goes on in congress. What a novel idea!

Lou Dobbs show has very high ratings for a good reason. Alot of people like him, are well informed by his reporting, agree with it, and value his opinion -- including me.

[Name removed]

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[wizdum]

21. White people are not entitled to have an opinion? Is that your point?

And why is that? Because they have had more privileges than others? That may be true, but the immigration system is broken and must be addressed and enforced as per the laws of this country.

Do you think it is really fair for American taxpayers to continue picking up the tab for big businesses that get rich off exploiting illegal workers? And now there are so many illegals in this country that they are coming up with more and more false social security numbers (some of which already belong to American citizens), to use as part of their bogus documentation, which is only increasing the identity theft problem.

And what about Vincente Fox? Why aren't you complaining about him allowing his people to cross the desert and at great risk to their lives, just so they can finance him and his corrupt cronies in government and business? Why are Americans forced to be safely ferry Mexicans citizens across the border, in violation of own laws, and then have the added burden and expense of having to care for them on our own dime once they get here? Gee, thanks Vincente (and Congress). Give me a break already.

Granted, our government and Mexico are equally responsible for this increased illegal immigration problem because of the passage of NAFTA. NAFTA needs to be abolished so we STOP starving out Mexican farmers, who are then forced to cross the border to America just to feed their families. I don't think the illegals are necessarily to blame for this problem. They are desperate, and in a way the American taxpayer is being forced to pay for their own lack of responsibility in addressing the impact of issues such as NAFTA. I seriously feel bad for Mexicans risking life and limb to cross the desert under threat of arrest at the hands of greedy coyotes out of desperation. It's truly heartbreaking and something needs to be done about it fast because it's only going to get worse. NAFTA will continue to make the rich, richer and the poor, poorer. Mexican workers should be allowed to come here legally under a guest worker program, and their employers here should be forced to compensate them the same way an American worker would be legally entitled to. Then they should be allowed to apply for citizenship, but must get at the end of the queue, because their are others that have been waiting just as long to get into this country. Our immigration system is a gad awful mess and needs to be revampled. But of course the only concern leaders in congress seems to have these days is pandering to lobbyists who fill their campaign coffers. It's a pity. That's the problem. Congress is thoroughly and completely incompetent and needs to completely overhaul our current immigration system.

But just because Congress is incompetent, doesn't mean Lou Dobbs has to be. He is a top notch journalist.

[radio4progressives]

27. Please Read David Sirota's New Book...Hostile Takeover

answers to all the questions you pose here in more comprehensive analysis on the very issues that are being ignored in this very discussion. Buy it or borrow it from the Library. If you want to understand - read this book.

In the meantime visit his site, he was just on Ed Schultz show with Gay Marvin - an excellen hour long interview on these very issues and more.

And No, I never said "white people" aren't entitled to an opinion. That is a reactionary non-sequitor. I said THINK the issues through before jumping on a bandwagon promoted by white supremacist.

http://www.davidsirota.com/

[wizdum]

29. Don't assume I am jumping on any bandwagons...

...I am an intelligent and thoughtful individual who can analyze issues for myself and make informed decisions regarding them independently.

And you did insinuate in your post that all white people think the same way, which somehow invalidates their understanding of issues. Au contra-ire. Whites have just as much ability to comprehend political issues in a balanced manner as any other race and not all whites ride bandwagons.

Thanks for the link though. I'll check it out and consider it as my understanding and opinion of the deteriorating situation at the Mexican border continues to evolve.

[radio4progressives]

30. As an Independent Thinking white Person, I completely agree...

of course there are people of the Anglo race capable of independent thinking. I consider myself among them. And as a white person who grew up in the South, in the fifties and sixties and who have lived in other parts of the United States as a Teen as well as an adult, in multi racial family and community, i have a somewhat unique perspective about this phenom among many in the "white community" .

[Andromeda]

133. Good post, Wizdum...

[IndianaGreen]

16. Lou Dobbs is not crazy, but...

He is a racist xenophobe, and I wish he would go back to www.space.com

[radio4progressives]

31. he's practically a rabid racist. eom

[Eurobabe]

17. He's on the money

As the wife of a LEGAL immigrant, whose green card took 5 years to obtain: I say no amnesty -- come in the right way and pay your dues.

And it's about time someone suggested going after the capitalist cronies who hire illegal workers that drive down the wages for those at poverty level already. Get a clue!

[Joey Liberal]

18. Dobbs is a racist neo-con n.t

[wizdum]

22. bull dinky...n/t

[quickesst]

23. After all these posts...

besides bringing up another analogy based on an age that is long past, and nothing to do with the current situation, the best anyone can do to counter old Lou "tellitlikeitis" Dobbs, is "LOU DOBBS IS A RACIST". Try sitting at home collecting unemoployment, knowing that there is work being done by someone who is not even a citizen of the country, not paying taxes on the cash they earn, and doing for far less than the prevailing wage, which I can tell you, in my field, we are making less money than we did in the eighties. It's easy to sit from afar and play at liberal benevolence, but when you get smacked right between the eyes with it, it's a different story. And if you are in one of those jobs that most illegal immigrants are not qualified to do, what makes you think they are going to remain satisfied doing my blue-collar construction job? They are human, after all, and humans have a thirst for more and better, no matter where you come from. Thanks.
quickesst

[leftstreet]

26. Welcome to DU!

Some of the people calling him "racist" probably don't even watch his program or read his transcripts. His viewer emails often appear racist, but it's hard to tell.

I see he's done some excellent reporting on the H-1B visas/caps Bill Gates can't wait to get his hands on, but he rarely gets noticed for those stories. I also read a transcript when he had Ray McGovern on, and Ray actually got to say "permanent bases in Iraq" on the air. Knock me over.

And he's doing something no other teevee talking head will do. He's encouraging people to email their representatives, occasionally describing how to find your reps online and give feedback.

God forbid!
:rofl:

[QC]

40. Yes, it's easy to play Lady Bountiful

when one is only benefiting from the cheap labor.

That's why bourgeois liberals find it so easy to favor open borders.

If their own comfortable livelihoods were threatened they would view the matter differently, but as long as mummy and daddy's money holds out, that won't be a problem.

[Andromeda]

134. My welcome as well, quickesst....

You've made some great points!

[liberaliraqvet26]

69. Actually he was against the iraq war and other neocon...

stupidity.

[inthebrain]

24. Lou Dobbs is an asshole

I'm suprised he doesn't parade around the studios at CNN in a white sheet.

[EmmitFitzhume]

25. Just when you think . . .

things can't get any worse over at CNN, they continue to discredit themselves. Do they not employ fact checkers to research sources? No wonder their ratings are headed South.

[Auntie Bush]

28. So CNN is headed South ---and the Mexicans are headed North.

Am I correct?

[jaysunb]

34. Is racist & asshole the same thing ?

If it is, he's both.

[sutz12]

35. Dobbs is milking the issue for ratings.

Ir it wasn't for blowhards like him inciting people, immigration would be a non-issue.

[jbnow]

37. It might be a non-issue

for people and towns not affected by it, but for those who are affected Dobbs is not making the issue, he is just talking about it.

[Zynx]

38. Everyone I've ever known who's a nut on immigration was a racist too.

I assume the same thing here.

[QC]

39. If you disagree with jackbourassa, the xenophobes have won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a bunch of bullshit.

But it's always gratifying to a dishonest poll go against the poster who started it.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

43. Again, for every "racist!" there is a "corporatist!" post.

Look below. Apparently if you feel Lou Dobbs crosses the line, you're "an illegal alien, or the family of illegal aliens".

[jackbourassa]

92. How was it a dishonest poll?

I gave you the option of calling him a racist or saying that no, he is not a racist, he's only telling the truth.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

[Minnesota Libra]

41. Lou Dobbs is not racist he's just truthful and the only ones who..........

.....think he's racist or even a "racist xenophobe" could be the illegal aliens themselves or maybe their families. :shrug:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

42. And yet he uses data from hate groups. Now why does he do that?

Again, there is a core contingent that is concerned about America. And there is a racist sector that is using the issue to further their own agenda. Just as there are people who feel that this is a country based on immigration, and there is a sect that just wants cheap labor.

I do think he has racist tendencies. And I am NOT an illegal, nor is anyone in my family. But my family does live very near the border, and I spend a good deal there. It is naive to think that sending all illegals home is going to "save america". This is not the same world as the early 1900s, and isolationism didn't even work then.

[unlawflcombatnt]

49. If the information is accurate, he should use it

You haven't yet been able to disprove anything Dobbs has said. All you do is whine about his sources being "racist." If his sources are inaccurate, why don't you post tangible proof to that effect.

Of course, that's a rhetorical question. You don't have any sources that prove him wrong. Basically, you have no argument whatsoever against Dobbs' point of view, other than not wanting to acknowledge the truth he tells.

You label anything that doesn't fit your point of view on this subject as "racist." That's because you've run out of any other arguments.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

50. He was cited by FAIR for being off by 20 BILLION dollars!

He said that a study showed that illegals cost the gov't up to 10 billion dollars when in actuality, it is a 1-10 billion dollar GAIN via an NSA report. Now how do you explain that? Look it up on FAIR's site.

For pity's sake, Lou Dobbs isn't god. Why do you accept everything he says as fact?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

51. And HERE'S Media Matter's take on him and his "misrepresentations"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605240011

and his use of "dubious studies"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200605250014

[SemiCharmedQuark]

52. And what about his assertion that the media has a left wing bias?

He certainly makes up for that doesn't he, with all of his conservative guests.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200603270002

[SemiCharmedQuark]

53. And finally, his use of that graphic was inaccurate. Here's why

He used a graphic of "Atzlan" after saying that Vicente Fox's trip to the U.S. should be called "Vicente Fox's Atzlan Tour". Why would he say that? Vicente Fox has no ties to the reconquista group. And yet he goes ahead and says it to stir the pot. So then he shows the graphic, let's scare the American people some more. And he doesn't even mention where he got the graphic from, even though CNN admitted it was from the CCC, a white supremacist organization that has called African Americans "a retrograde species of humanity".

Shouldn't people be informed of who is behind theories?

[DianeK]

44. Thank God for Lou Dobbs!!

Yes, I know he is a republican but he is absolutely right! When you have Senators voting to include outside governments into our decision making process, thank God we have people like Lou Dobbs to point out how absolutely crazy this all is. I am all for immigrants and we have a process by which you can enter this country...legally....my husbands family went through that process years ago...it works pretty well...the only explanation I can possibly come up with is that everyone in this country is on drugs to one extent or another and it is affecting their minds

[unlawflcombatnt]

45. Amen

DianeK,

I completely agree.

Has anyone noticed from the poll here how many more people agree with Dobbs than disagree?

Dobbs is right on target, like he always is. Illegal immigration suppressess wages and causes a loss in tax base. It is largely responsible for the closure of a number of medical facilities in Southern California.

There's nothing "racist" or "xenophobic" about acknowledging the truth. See 'Illegal Immigration Suppresses Wages' at:
http://unlawflcombatnt.proboards84.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1148683137

[PsycheCC]

47. Dobbs makes great sense. In my opinion, he gives too much air

time to people agree with the original poster's view that he's racist. Dobbs is one of the few people who speaks truth about the costs of illegal immigration. Do that on DU, and you get attacked.

[toandme]

54. Dobbs is one of the few newsmen left who will actually ask and...

confront guests with hardline questions, and if he gets a BS answer he actually, GASP!, calls them on it!

I guess I need more clarification as to why you think he is racist? Is there any evidence to support your claim?

EDIT: Spelling

[w4rma]

55. The fight between the limousine/corporatist liberals and the working class

liberals continues. :popcorn:

I find it interesting that, just like Bush, the proponents of open borders sling around the term "racist", at every opportunity.

I also find it interesting that these same folks ignore any argument noting that illegals are depressing wages in America. And NAFTA is depressing wages in America. In fact I think most of the proponants of this pro-illegal scheme support "free"-trade too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. EMPLOYERS who hire undocumented workers and pay them low wages

are depressing wages in America. But it makes some people feel better to blame the workers.

[w4rma]

60. "And NAFTA is depressing wages in America."

"In fact I think most of the proponants of this pro-illegal scheme support "free"-trade too."

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. We can have a free trade policy that doesn't destroy Central American

economies.

[w4rma]

71. No, we can have a fair trade policy that doesn't destroy Central American

economies.

[proud2BlibKansan]

73. gotcha - point taken

:)

[jackbourassa]

93. What a bullshit dichotomy!

Either you're for the working class, or you are a "limousine" liberal?

Bullshit!

How about those of us who just don't get off persecuting poor people who cross borders to provide their families a better life? Are you so insensitive to that? Who prefer to treat "illegal immigrants" as people, rather than animals.

There is morality involved in this issue as well. And no, not the Bush bullshit type of morality that he "sells" to win elections. The kind of morality which values human life and the rights of man. The UN has a charter on it, or something.

Because you know what, the same economic argument could have been said about blacks during the time of slavery (and was). That freeing the slaves would mean that working-class people would have to compete against them for jobs - which they did. So would that justify maintaining slavery?

Can't we compromise and say that we should close off the border - by beefing up the presence of officers, even possibly building a fence, etc. But will give those 12 million undocumented workers the chance to remain in the United States and become useful citizens. Otherwise, how do you suggest we get rid of them? How does one round up 12 million people and deport them - short of holocaust-type measures?

Because if you are unwilling to go so far as that - and do what Stalin did with the Georgians (the country, not the state) and what Hitler did with the Jews - I don't see any solution to this problem save an amnesty of some type. Because what you will effectively create in this country is 12 million people, living within our borders, with no prospects of an education, health and social services, and jobs. A population of 12 million people living in national limbo. Which will cost us more money in the end than to do what we should do, which is to allow them to earn their citizenship.

[w4rma]

108. Dry up the jobs for illegals here in America and they'll head back south

to Mexico (or to whatever country they are citizens of). Fix the economy by getting rid of NAFTA and replacing it with fair trade, and they'll move back to the nation of their citizenship. There is no wall keeping illegals *inside* of America.

[LostInAnomie]

62. Is "He's a racist! He's a racist!!" all you have left?

Dobbs is reporting exactly what is going on. He attacks the predatory capitalists who hire and exploit illegal labor. He goes after Mexico's hypocrisy when it comes to illegal immigration. He fights for the working class who are being undercut by the race to the bottom wages being caused by our open borders.

He is not a racist, or a xenophobe. Dobbs wants the laws that we have in place to be enforced by our government instead of the caving in to big business that has been going on for 20 years. There is nothing racist or xenophobic about wanting secure borders and a future for working class Americans.

Maybe you could tell me, how allowing ILLEGAL immigrants in actually helps American citizens?

[jackbourassa]

63. Can't he make that argument without attacking...

latinos? Why does he have to make it a race thing? Why does he have to talk about latinos undermining "our national character," (aka our "whiteness"). There are a great many arguments which can be made about illegal immigration and job security, etc. Many of them I agree with. But I will never support rhetoric, which at its core, is anti-hispanic.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

72. Can you give more specific examples of his being "racist"?

I don't watch his show every evening, but I haven't heard anything from him that was fundamentally racist or anti-hispanic. Have I missed something? I also think it is strange that you would interpret our "national character" as being our "whiteness". From what I have heard of him, I imagine he meant that insecure borders and unchecked illegal entry into our country undermines our national character for reasons that have very little to do with the color of anyone's skin.

[retread]

65. I take your post as made in good faith. Please tell me your response

to the article in this link.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=589

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. Dobbs could stop calling them 'aliens'

if he really wanted to appear unbiased. Eveytime he uses that word, he sounds like a 60 second man.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

78. It does sound bad...

But I don't know what other word or term would be more acceptable... Do you have any ideas?

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. Undocumented workers

or even illegal immigrants is better. But I can't stand that word illegal either, since I don't believe a human being is illegal.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

80. Then how about undocumented immigrants?

Means the same thing as illegal immigrants. Only problem is that it's quite a mouthful.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. That's better

[Greyhound]

64. LOL! I guess the numbers tell the tale.

The irony is that in no other country is this even an issue to debate. No borders = no nation.

[sadiesworld]

101. No nation=no government to rein in corporations.

And DUers think we have a tentative hold on representative government now?!

There ain't no handholding and cola drinking at the end of this... SNAP OUT OF IT, PEOPLE!!!!

(not you, greyhound)

[retread]

66. The guy gives me the creeps. See link below:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=589

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. Oh that needs to be cut and pasted here!

Allow me>


But there's one thing Lou Dobbs won't do. No matter what others report about the movement, Dobbs has failed to present mounting and persistent evidence of anti-Hispanic racism in anti-immigration groups and citizen border patrols.

It's not that Dobbs hasn't allowed a pro-immigration activist or two to complain about efforts like the Minuteman Project ("vigilantes," according to President Bush), or even that he has made racist statements on his show. What the anchorman has done is repeatedly decline to present the evidence that links these groups to racism, calling the very idea "mind-boggling." On his July 29 show, he called the ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which he said he liked in other ways, "despicable" and "reprehensible" for saying otherwise.

Consider some of what Dobbs has failed to report, despite the fact that in almost every case these developments were reported widely elsewhere:

# GLENN SPENCER, head of the anti-immigration American Patrol, has been interviewed at least twice on the show, on Jan. 7 and June 4, 2004. Spencer's Web site is jammed with anti-Mexican vitriol and he pushes the idea that the Mexican government is involved in a secret plot to take over the Southwest -- facts never mentioned on Dobbs' show. Spencer's group is regarded as a hate group by both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League. Spencer has spoken at least twice to the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, which has described blacks as "a retrograde species of humanity," and once to American Renaissance, a group that contends that blacks are genetically inferior to whites. Dobbs has never reported those ties, or mentioned Spencer's more wild-eyed contentions, such as his prediction that "thousands will die" in a supposedly forthcoming Mexican invasion. His CNN colleague Wolf Blitzer, on the hand, featured Spencer on his own show but reported Mexico's official response and SPLC's hate group designation.

# In late 2004, it was revealed that the new head of a national advisory board to Protect Arizona Now, an anti-immigration organization, was a long-time white supremacist who was also an editorial adviser to the racist Council of Conservative Citizens. Although VIRGINIA ABERNETHY's controversial selection was reported prominently in virtually every Arizona paper -- and despite the fact that Dobbs heavily covered the anti-immigration referendum that Protect Arizona Now was advocating -- Dobbs never mentioned the affair at all.

# A man named JOE MCCUTCHEN was quoted last April as part of a feature on the Minuteman Project, described by Dobbs as "a terrific group of concerned, caring Americans." No mention was made of the fact that McCutchen, who heads up an anti-immigration group called Protect Arkansas Now, had written a whole series of anti-Semitic letters to the editor and given a speech to the Council of Conservative Citizens -- facts revealed the prior January by SPLC, causing Arkansas' Republican governor to denounce McCutchen's group.

# This August, BILL PARMLEY, a Minuteman leader in Goliad County, Texas, quit the group because of what he described as widespread racism. Similarly, in September, newspapers reported that another Texas Minuteman, Janet Ahrens, had resigned because members "wanted to shoot the taco meat." Dobbs never mentioned either of these people, who were featured prominently elsewhere.

# On Oct. 4, Dobbs had PAUL STREITZ, a co-founder of Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control, as a guest on his show. Streitz denounced Mayor John DeStefano Jr. for "turning New Haven into a banana republic" by favoring identification cards for undocumented workers. Two days later, newspapers revealed that two of the group's other founders had just quit, saying Streitz had led it in a racially charged direction. Dobbs has never reported this.

# BARBARA COE, leader of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, was quoted on a show last March bitterly attacking Home Depot for "betray Americans," apparently because Hispanic day laborers often gather in front of the store looking for work. Not mentioned were her group, listed by the SPLC as a hate group, or the fact that she routinely refers to Mexicans as "savages." Coe recently described herself as a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a "white pride" group formed from the remnants of the segregationist White Citizens Councils of the 1950s and 1960s that were once described by Thurgood Marshal as "the uptown Klan." She also told The Denver Post in November that she had given a speech to the group.

# CHRIS SIMCOX, co-founder of the Minuteman Project and a top national anti-immigration leader, was arrested in 2003 by federal park rangers for carrying a weapon illegally while tracking border-crossers on federal parkland. While Simcox has been repeatedly interviewed on his show, Dobbs has failed to mention that arrest or bigoted anti-Hispanic comments Simcox made to the Intelligence Report several years ago.

[liberaliraqvet26]

67. Some DUers like to throw around the "RACIST" word.....

everytime someone disagrees with them. Dobbs is a champion of the middle class American worker and is not racist. There aren't that many left who hasn't bought into the bullshit Tom Friedman style "neoliberalism" of free trade and other pro corporate "world is flat" stupidity. His is probably the most important and credible voice we currently have in the media. It is going to take everyone losing their white collar jobs to India and their blue collar jobs to illegals to see that Dobbs was right all along.

I was called a racist on DU a few weeks ago because I disagreed with someone about reparations. Please we are on the same side.

[Name removed]

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[suziedemocrat]

83. I knew an American who got a fantastic job for a brokerage firm in the UK.

Something was wrong with his work-permit and he was escorted back onto a plane to the US at gun-point. There are countries I'd like to move to and get a job - BUT IT IS NOT LEGAL. And other countries don't just look the other way. Lou Dobbs is not anti-immigrant or anti-latino - IMO. He is anti-ILLEGAL immigration - which is totally reasonable to me. If we need more immigrants - than up the numbers that are legally allowed in. But to have this anarchy is ridiculous. IMO.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

85. Anarchy IS ridiculous

Maybe the Brits are fed up with all the red tape they have to break through in order to come here --lol. My cousin, a British citizen was hired to work for a firm in San Francisco. He and his family moved here about 6-7 years ago (or so) and applied for American citizenship. They are still waiting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

87. If the UK had crippled the US economy, you would have a valid comparison

[proud2BlibKansan]

84. No we are not on the same side

I am on the side of human rights. I am on the side that recognizes OUR policies (NAFTA, CAFTA) have destroyed the economies of many Central American countries, resulting in people desperate enough to survive that they are willing to break the law to come into the US.

I am on the side that realizes that greedy corporations have taken advantage of these people, some to the extent of helping them sneak across the border, to come here and work for low wages no American citizen BY LAW has to work for.

I am on the side that realizes my ancestors stole this land from Native Americans, which gives me no right to decide who gets to cross our borders and who does not.

I am on the side that understands that current immigration laws in the US are racist, since they favor white skinned Europeans over brown skinned Central Americans.

And I am on the side that realizes the Democratic party can win on this issue if they embrace and promote a fair wage argument as a means of settling this issue once and for all.

I am also on the side that trusts the SPLC and their opinion of Lou Dobbs.

[kiteinthewind]

106. My thoughts, exactly! Thank you!

It seems to me, though, that this infighting in the D party is EXACTLY why this issue was brought forth at this particular time-right before an election the Repukes are likely to lose seats in. It seems to me that we play right into their hand!
:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

107. I think we need to go back to our roots

and remind Democrats that we are the party of the people. That other party is the one that protects and promotes corporate interests (like undocumented cheap labor). A platform that promotes fair wages is a win win on this issue. But first we must educate Democrats who don't understand that these human beings coming across our border from Central America are not the enemy.

[POAS]

75. One Word-----Opportunist

[KingFlorez]

82. Point is, some people use illegal immigration as an excuse for racism

I think he is one of those people who is too caught up on the race of the people

[Little Star]

109. Point is, some people use illegal immigration as an excuse for

Race baiting. Calling people racist does not make Illegal activity Legal.

[retread]

110. Below are some quotes from Media Matters:

"Dobbs's immigration reporting marked by misinformation, extreme rhetoric, attacks on Mexican president, and data from organization linked to white supremacists."


"Summary: In reports on the Senate immigration bill, CNN's Lou Dobbs and Christian Science Monitor staff writer Gail Russell Chaddock cited a dubious immigration study conducted by Robert Rector of the conservative Heritage Foundation. However, neither Dobbs nor Chaddock noted that independent analysts have questioned the methodology and results of Rector's study, which has reportedly influenced the Senate immigration bill debate."

"On the April 19 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, host Lou Dobbs allowed Rep. Peter King (R-NY) to advance a misleading Republican claim Dobbs himself had previously repeated on the program -- that Democrats bear responsibility for a controversial provision in the immigration bill, passed by the House of Representatives, that would make unlawful presence in the United States a felony. Media Matters for America has debunked this claim before, noting Dobbs's prior repetition of it."



I think you should make a case for your position on immigration without defending Lou Dobbs.

[Little Star]

112. I must tell you that Lou & I have had very different

opinions on many issues. One time we had a running e-mail battle over his treatment of Rev. Jesse Jackson and I did have the last word. I just happen to agree with his view on this issue. I really don't put much stock in who he quotes or has on his show. I am just happy that he is loudly against illegal immigration and I will add my voice to his on this issue. My case has been made by all the others who have posted against illegal immigration. I would add, however, that I feel this trying to label other Dems as racist is nothing more than race baiting. Do you approve of that labeling?

[retread]

116. You have to be a little more specific. Do I "label" Lou Dobbs as

racist? Other Dems? Lou Dobbs gives me the creeps. Yes,I find him xenophobic and racist. I'm extremely uncomfortable with this whole immigration issue. I think real humane solutions have been discarded and the argument is between the corporatists and the bigots.

I would not label his supporters racist for supporting him. I don't understand his adamant support in face of the evidence presented here and elsewhere. Racism is certainly one explanation, though not the only. T

The term race baiting is used like political correctness and class warfare.

[KingFlorez]

111. I did not say that

I didn't say anything of the sort. I am pointing out that a lot of people opposing illegal immigration are more worried about race than the law.

[Little Star]

113. I was just saying that I disagree.

My view is anyone trying to label those who are opposed to illegal immigration as racist are themselves probably race baiting to make their point.

[KingFlorez]

114. I did not label all who oppose illegal immigration as racist

I said a lot of the people who claim they are concerned about the issue are just using it to get their racism out, mainly those who seem to focus too much on ethnicity. You just don't get the point I'm trying to make.

[lumberjack_jeff]

119. And therefore we should all support unregulated immigration?

What "some people" do is not germane to the main issue.

The fact that Dobbs is a jackass does not detract from the reality that regarding the loss of our employment base through immigration and outsourcing, he's right.

[KingFlorez]

129. You just don't get it

I am not saying illegal immigration is okay! I'm saying it is not okay to use ethnicity as a factor in the debate, that is what I am saying.

[Vinca]

117. Other countries must wonder about us.

Would any of them allow thousands of undocumented, mostly untrained and uneducated, people to take up residence in their countries no questions aksed? Not bloody likely. Immigration is a procedure that accepts some and denies others. Immigration is first and foremost for the BENEFIT OF THE NATION, not the individual. Lou Dobbs can be a little "out there," but in many ways he's misunderstood since he is, in the end, in favor of legal immigration and secure borders.

[DeaconBlues]

118. No, I don't

And neither do a majority of DUers, it would seem.

[jackbourassa]

130. Great debate...

I'm a little surprised by the results though. I'm surprised that many Democrats don't side with some of the poorest people in the country.

As far as the issue of the working class goes. I think most people fail to see it this way: if these "illegal immigrants" were offered citizenship, then they would be entitled to all the rights all of us share - including labor, thus making the 'reduction of wages' issue moot.

Another thing many of you fail to realize, is that many of these immigrants have been living in the US for many years - possibly decades, and getting them to leave will be extremely difficult.

[saltpoint]

135. Lou may try to shoot the gap on Immigration but it's more likely

he's going to wind up on the wrong side of the issue, if he isn't there already.

There's just no shaking his ultra-GOP loyalties.

I tune him out more and more, since he says the same damn thing every night.

If people rented and watched THE BORDER with Harvey Keitel and Jack Nicholson, they'd know a lot more about our relationship with our southern neighbors in 2 hours than they would listening to Dobbs for two years.

Lou Dobbs should NEVER have left the Teletubbies. That was a successful act and he had a future ahead of him there.

[unlawflcombatnt]

139. No, not likely

Most people agree with Dobbs, as you can see from the poll. His ratings have never been higher. He speaks for the overwhelming majority of the American people, that's why his ratings are so high, and that's why you only got 28% support for this race-baiting poll.

[sadiesworld]

136. .

[Beacho]

137. Need 'Other" in this poll

My take is that Dobbs' gives less than a damn and is just following orders from the corporate/GOP in trying to stir up the hoi polloi in to voting against their interests, yet again.

Looks like it's failing, in some respects, and backfiring as well. Let's see if they keep beating the drum on it in the next couple of weeks. I'm picking up on the fact that the corpratistas are backing away from it. Anecdotal evidence only, but it look slike they are falling back on gay bashing.

We'll see.

[beaconess]

138. You are DEAD ON with the Howard Beale analogy

I've felt the same way about him, but didn't think anyone else noticed it. What amazes me even more than Lou Dobbs himself is the fact that CNN gives this guy a platform for his one-note rant night after night after night, just as the fictional UBS did with Howard Beale, once they realized his hysterical carrying on was a ratings bonanza. "Network" was a satire. 25 years later, it's become a reality.

Lord help us.

[TheDonkey]

140. No, Dobbs is a ratings whore using a populist subject to his advantage

At least from what I've heard from him he has more tact and intellect than the goons at Fox News.