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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 11:04 PM
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Swift Lars exposed!
Kerry responded to the Swift liars during campaign posted in Research forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x2555

About the MSM coverage:

Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert

Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518



From American Prospect about the current NYT article:

Snip...

...The piece is infuriating because...well, let's run the tape. The article says:

Snip...

Naval records and accounts from other sailors contradicted almost every claim they made, and some members of the group who had earlier praised Mr. Kerry's heroism contradicted themselves.

Still, the charges stuck.



Emphasis added. Look, here's the thing. To the extent that the Swift Boat Liars were effective -- and that's in dispute -- it wasn't just because of their spending on ads. It was because the media amplified those charges for days and days, if not weeks, without examining them critically. When the press did get around to debunking the charges whatever damage there was had already been done. The media tried to shift blame for this to Kerry by arguing that he'd failed to respond aggressively. But here's the point: The press shouldn't have had to wait for Kerry to start hitting back before it started to report critically on what the Swift Boat Liars were saying. The simple fact that the media was amplifying the charges should alone have obligated them to take a critical look at them -- immediately.

One of the key themes of this blog will be that a big problem with political reporting today is that its practitioners simply refuse to acknowledge their own role in shaping public perceptions. Thus it is that this Times piece can blithely observe that "the charges stuck" as if this happened by magic, when in fact the real reason this happened is that the media simply failed to be skeptical and aggressive at an absolutely critical moment. That failure, of course, is one of the reasons that Kerry is still a Senator -- and is still battling the Swifties today.

http://www.prospect.org/horsesmouth/2006/05/post_36.html




New photos:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Go check out the wingnut blogs and see if this makes any difference to them. They are not interested in the truth, but Democrats and other rational people (at least I hope Democrats are rational) should be!


Swift liars lie about everything:

The lies of John O'Neill: An MMFA analysis; Swift Boat Vets' founder has told repeated untruths about himself, Swift Boat Vets, Unfit for Command

Snip...

O'Neill lied when he said Swift Boat Vets "have no partisan ties"; member in new ad was Bush-Cheney campaign official

Snip...

That's a lie. The new Swift Boat Veterans for Truth advertisement, unveiled August 20, features Ken Cordier criticizing Kerry. Cordier is identified in the ad as "P.O.W., Dec. 1966 - Mar. 1973."

But Cordier isn't just a former prisoner of war. He was also a member of the Bush-Cheney '04 National Veterans Steering Committee until controversy over his dual role with the campaign and the SBVT led to his resignation. The Bush-Cheney '04 campaign website suddenly -- mysteriously -- omits Cordier's name from the list of Steering Committee members, presumably in an effort to hide ties between the campaign and this 527 advertising. But images from a cached copy of the page, as well as a list of committee members, prove his membership.

O'Neill lied about being a "Republican from Texas..."
O'Neill lied about his political involvement...
O'Neill denied making thousands of dollars in contributions to GOP; FEC records contradict him...
O'Neill lied about ties to Nixon White House...
On Crossfire, O'Neill claimed that there "are more than 60 people that served with John Kerry that contributed to this book..."
O'Neill lied about Jerome Corsi's role in Unfit for Command...


more...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:05 AM
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1. You really should ADD the LAPDOGS link to the Research Forum thread
You just click on and add to the Open Edit.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:17 AM
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2. You might want to edit your first line...I thought at first, "A Swede?"
Edited on Mon May-29-06 11:17 AM by janx
:rofl:

It says, "Swift Lars Exposed" ;-)
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:25 AM
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3. I was hoping that you meant Lars Larson
He's a local blowhard here in Portland. A real Rush wannabe.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:27 AM
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4. Stop it!
Edited on Mon May-29-06 11:28 AM by janx
:rofl:


Edit: Lars Larson? Is that like John Johnson from Wisconsin?
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:33 AM
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6. Sadly, it's no joke.
Here's his website. Note the ostentatious display of the phallic cigar.

http://www.larslarson.com/

He's definitely a creeperific individual.

However, here in Portland, Randi kicks his ass with regularity.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:37 AM
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7. Thanks--I think.
I have family in Portland and will enjoy hearing what they have to say about him.

P.S. You're right about the cigar.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:06 PM
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9. I love his poll question for today
"Should we get rid of winners/losers in school sports…everyone’s a winner?"
Yes
No

What an asshole.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:08 PM
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10. Because as everyone knows...
it's all about winning or losing...good guys and bad guys...black and white...etc. :silly:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:26 PM
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12. And libruls don't like competition
They just want everyone to hold hands and get along.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:28 PM
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13. Right, because we all know that libruls
are socialists at heart! :crazy:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 04:14 PM
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16. Lars isn't really all that swift, is he?
;)
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 07:00 PM
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20. NO!
But he must be dealt with.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 05:04 PM
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22. I've seen Lars. He's none too swift. Can't be him.
Actually, I haven't, but I couldn't pass up the straight line.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:24 PM
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14. Was Lars wearing his PFC's? n/t
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:56 PM
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15. What are those?
(Though I hesitate to ask...) ;-)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 04:15 PM
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17. I knw someone would ask.
It's so secret that you would have to take your suicide pill before reading it.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:28 AM
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5. Their accusations questioned ALL PURPLE HEART'S AWARDED.
I don't know why I am thinking of this now but if they question Kerry's then they question all of them. They disgraced the armed forced and ruined the sanctity of the award.

They should be stripped of all their medals. They are the traitors. They are the enemy of ALL of our soldiers.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:09 PM
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11. Exactly!
This is a point that should be driven home to the freepers.

Those stupid purple heart bandaids mocked anyone who got a purple heart without losing a limb or visibly losing some bodily function. And that's a lot of veterans.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 06:52 PM
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18. I agree with that, but what does PFC stand for?
Purple something something?
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 04:44 PM
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21. I thought PFC was "Private First Class" ?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:52 AM
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8. kick
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 06:54 PM
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19. Thanks for the article nt
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