Five Senate Democrats Who Helped Get Us Into This Mess

[LiviaOlivia]

Five Senate Democrats Who Helped Get Us Into This Mess
by Steve Soto
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007786.php

For the record, name the Democrats who have voted to confirm both Michael Hayden and Alberto Gonzales to their current jobs:

Mary Landrieu (LA)
Joe Lieberman (CT)
Bill Nelson (FL)
Ben Nelson (NE)
David Pryor (AR)

If you want to focus your anger on a group of Democrats who don't care a bit about your constitutional rights, and who apparently believe that the Executive Branch should be able to do whatever it damn well pleases, there you go.

[acmavm]

1. Whereas these five have been the main players in aiding and abetting

the bush** administration in their various crimes and schemes, they've had a lot of help from others who have their hands out the big business or who's spouses own businesses that profit from the current situation in Iraq and at home.

[Totally Committed]

2. As you can see by my signature line...

Which reflected my disgust and anger over the Alito confirmation, all 5 of this DINOs were complicit in his confirmation as well.

They reflect and represent the worst views in this Party.

TC

[ginnyinWI]

3. Joe needs to go!

The others are from red states, and I don't know if more liberal Dems would get elected there--although that could change starting this year. But Connecticut has no excuse for keeping Joe.

[saltpoint]

15. And it's exciting to watch the Lamont campaign, isn't it. I love the

idea of having two people there in that primary, and while I wildly prefer Lamont, I agree that in Connecticut a Lamont challenge is viable.

It wouldn't get very far in Wyoming or Indiana.

In Indiana, Richard Lugar (R-chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee) is running unopposed even by MAINSTREAM Democrats.

[BigYawn]

25. Like it or not----JoeMentum will be re-elected by a landslide AGAIN

which proves only one thing....Connecticut voters
do not parallel in their views with the majority on DU.
But that is democracy.

[Doctor_J]

4. Except for Holy Joe, it's hard to blame these people

they're from red states, and are probably speaking for their constituents. That's why we must concentrate on removing Leiberman, Chaffee, Snowe, Collins, and other blue-state Repubs from office. THAT's when we can begin to make some progress on real Dem issues.

[LiberalArkie]

5. Pryor has always spoken for big business, not for Arkansan's

[ArkySue]

20. Yep

Pryor sucks. I hope there's a primary challenger in '08...I'll work myself to death to get him out!
(edit to add): Pryor voted FOR the energy bill and the recent tax cut for millionaires as well.

[Old and In the Way]

8. Totaly agree.....nt

[saltpoint]

14. I second that.

[jaysunb]

32. Miss Mary OWES her seat to the

Black New Orleans Democrats who pulled her ass out of the fire on election day. She has no excuses.....

[LoKnLoD]

6. Landrieu

knows if she doesn't tow the line NO will never get rebuilt.

[jus_the_facts]

9. She'd been towin' the line for THEM long before Katrina....

....don't make excuses for her because of a natural disaster...she'd sold out her constituency long before that. :nopity:

[saltpoint]

13. Just the opposite is true. Landrieu's constituency is NOT progressive.

She can count on a large Democratic vote in New Orleans and some respectable support in Baton Rouge, but the overwhelming statewide vote in Louisiana for the last SEVERAL election cycles has been decidedly RED.

Her constituency is conservative, RED, and Republican. She has to navigate in those waters. I'm sure she would prefer to be a U.S. Senator from Rhode Island, but she is not. You play the hand you're dealt and you stay in the action.

We object to her votes because we want the opposite outcome. That doesn't make her an asshole.

[jus_the_facts]

16. I know personally what an asshole she really is.....

...don't need any lectures on the subject thanks.

[saltpoint]

17. Well, please put in a quick note to the several thousand of us on

these boards, because many of us labor under the impression that this is a community of reasonably like-minded people.

I stand by my comments on Senator Landrieu.

[jus_the_facts]

18. Old school friends of Mary's husband Frank....

....people who worked to get her elected up here in Northeast Louisiana...REAL DEMOCRATS outside New Orleans. :eyes:

[saltpoint]

19. No one said differently. My point was in regard to the timbre of

Louisiana state politics.

The demographics went from reliably Democratic in pre-Nixon days to gradually and then convincingly Red in recent days.

That's the turf she presides over and must find survival tactics for.

She could afford a greater liberalism in a blue state, a more reliably blue state, a state like Vermont or rhode Island, even California, where someone like Babara Boxer can survive, or where Bernie Saunders can be elected as a Socialist.

My point was that Louisiana is NOT that state, therefore, demanding that Mary Landrieu behave the same way Barbara Boxer behaves is unrealistic. It doesn't make her a sell-out.

A Democrat in statewide races either appeals to the state's statewide voters or his or her butt is gone.

[jus_the_facts]

21. Louisiana was BLUE for BILL CLINTON...twice....

.....in recent years...go figure...and you stated differently when you said...

"Well, please put in a quick note to the several thousand of us on
these boards, because many of us labor under the impression that this is a community of reasonably like-minded people."

...and I also...stand by my comments on Senator Landrieu.

[saltpoint]

22. Bush defeated Al Gore in Louisiania w/ 53% of the vote and whomped

John Kerry in 2004 by 14.8% of the vote.

Those are statewide votes, post-Clinton, and reflect the demographic trend of the state of Louisiana now.

Ascension Parish, one of the states' fastest-growing parishes, had c. 9000 registered Republicans in year 2000; today it has over 14,700.

You can call Senator Landrieu an asshole if it makes you happy, but against a surge of red registration and clear anti-Democratic trends, she may have better survival instincts than most of us.

[jus_the_facts]

23. I only reiterated your suggestion of the term asshole to describe her....

....fits her like a glove. :banghead:

[saltpoint]

24. And you failed to respond to the point made about election

realities in Louisiana and other red states.

In Louisiana, just before the 2004 election, from December of 03 through mid-September of 04, Republicans increased their registration by 86,122.

In Louisiana's top positions in government, many Dems hold those spots, but not all, and in the U.S. House districts, I believe only 2 are held by Dems and all the rest Republicans, and of those 2 Dems, one is William Jefferson, and I would rate his re-election chances as iffy at best.

I believe Mary Landrieu's winning percentage in 2002 was 51%. And that was with John Breaux out stumping for her 24/7.

The south, since Nixon's "Southern Strategy" days, has trended Republican. Landrieu must operate in that changing tide.

Your slam on her is missplaced.

[BigYawn]

26. You make very good, logical and factual points.....n/t

[saltpoint]

28. Thanks. It's hard out there for a Democrat. At least in some quarters.

[jus_the_facts]

27. I didn't fail...it was on purpose.......

....and it's not misplaced...it's personal. :popcorn:

[saltpoint]

29. Mostly it's bad form.

Have a good day.

[jus_the_facts]

30. Yeah...whatever you say heh....

.....backatcha.

[0007]

34. 'Ya ain't shittin' there and Zell didn't do us any favors either.

[Rowdyboy]

7. Why focus anger and energy on Democrats? That only serves to elect

Republicans and perpetuate the misery. Use your anger, instead, against Republicans so maybe, someday, we'll have enough Representatives or Senators to actually CONTROL one of the houses of congress.

Eating our own is really not the way to defeat these monsters. When we once agains have a majority we can begin the purification process.

[skipos]

10. Except for Joe, they are all red staters. LA, FL, NE and AR aren't going

to elect a Feingold anytime soon.

[Ian David]

11. Byrd voted to confirm Alito. Not just for cloture, but for confirmation!

I think that alone should be enough to put him on the DINO-list.

Not to mention that he voted for the cruel Republican version of the English language bill.

[saltpoint]

12. You're much too kind! Let's form an angry mob and burst into their

homes! Let's kick their children and pets! Let's torch the building and then laugh gleefully as we watch the place burn down to smoldering ashes!

I'm tired of the Dem-bashing. You need to move to a red state and find out how easy it is for any Democrat to get elected there before you cast blame and shame on publicly-elected officials.

A lot of really hard and dedicated work goes into working for Democratic officials in red states at all levels. Either do more of it to make the path easier, or stop slamming Democrats.

The United States is not going to be assertively liberal by next weekend. You don't like Hayden and Alito and Bolton and Rice and everybody else in the current administration? Neither do we.

[Hippo_Tron]

31. It's actually Mark Pryor n/t

[Bake]

33. What about Biden?

He voted to confirm Hayden. And as I recall, he voted for cloture on Alito, although he may have voted against Alito afterwards (when it didn't matter).

Something about Biden just really bugs the crap out of me! Oh yeah, I know: he's all talk ... and talk ... and talk ... while being in the pocket of MBNA.

Bake