Jesse MacBeth Phony....WHY?

[RedTail Wolf]

This guy imho really hurt the anti war movement. I watched the original video and was moved to even donate to the Iraq Vets against the War. Now it's all a fake. Why? Why? Was this a set up by Bu-shies? Man I am pissed. Any ideas as to why the guy made up all these horrific lies? What well be the result to the anti war cause; opinions? RedTail Wolf

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. He's not a secret agent of B*shco, if that's what you're thinking...

they would have covered his tracks better.

I think he is just a sad man, looking for attention. :(

[KnaveRupe]

4. Huh?

If he was a BushCo / Rovian disinfo plant, they most certainly would NOT have covered his tracks better.

I'm not saying he IS a plant, in fact I think your assessment is more likely. But, like the forged National Guard documents that caught CBS in '04, he had to be plausible enough to be acceptable by those inclined to believe, yet transparently fake enough to be disproven by the mental midgets in right-blogsylvania.

He certainly COULD be a plant. He fits the pattern and the timing was right to distract from Haditha (although it didn't exactly do that - did it?) I just don't personally think he is a plant - I tend to agree with you.

[rman]

9. No, merely an operative...

Kinda like how the police uses snitches in the criminal community - they aren't always the brightest of the bunch.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. see, I don't think so

he would have at least had faked papers. We wouldn't have been able to debunk him so quickly. what did it take? 2 days? If he was a plant, then Rove is seriously slipping.

[rman]

12. I think his mission was accomplished - Malkin is running with it,

and i guess the 29% is listening.
Our unmasking of this disinfo operative and IVAW distancing itself from him won't make the news, so it is of no consquence except for having limited the damage.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

2. The timing of it...

...coming so close on the heels of Haditha could not be coincidental. It is very much suspect.
As to who, highly paid Neocons responsible for shaping public opinion would be my guess.

[niyad]

3. that is certainy my guess--there simply is NO coincidence in all this--I

asked who was paying him. surely there are ways to discover this.

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. I really don't think he did that much damage

Except for us news junkies on sites like DU and the VFP, most people don't have a clue about this story.

[hippiechick]

16. Really. I thought he was one of the American Idol idiots.

Seriously. :shrug:

[robcon]

6. This guy didn't hurt anything.

redtailwolf wrote: "This guy imho really hurt the anti war movement. "

The story died as quickly as it rose. It got no coverage. Who was hurt?

[rman]

7. Minor damage

The reason why is to discredit the peace movement.
It's in their bag of dirty tricks, also known as psychological operations, perception management. Swift-boating Kerry, Clinton's White Water, the incubator babies in Baghdad, Dan Rather... the list is long.

[LSK]

8. who????

What?

The MSM is going apeshit about other things.

:shrug:

[rman]

10. here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth


http://www.ivaw.net/
Statement on MacBeth Video

Questions have been raised about Jesse MacBeth and his claims of service in Iraq. MacBeth came to Iraq Veterans Against the War in January 2006 asking for help, and the organization and its members extended itself to help him in various ways. Assisting veterans is one of the founding principles of IVAW and it is a mission that we take seriously. After looking into his recent claims, we have learned that Jesse is not what he represented himself to be. Accordingly, IVAW does not in any way endorse Jesse MacBeth or any of his accounts involving military service. He -- and he alone -- is responsible for them. IVAW was not aware of the creation of the video program featuring MacBeth, and did not authorize use of our logo in the program.

The timing of the widespread circulation of the MacBeth video interestingly coincides with the ongoing military investigation of the recent Marine massacre of two dozen civilians (including women and children) in Haditha, – what is being termed as an ... <more>

[Igel]

13. If he hadn't been a war liar back to 2003,

perhaps the claim would be justified.

He merely found a way to aggrandize his deception--whether he deceived himself or not is another question. Perhaps his delusion merely spread from being obviously fraudulent, to being less obviously fraudulent; it finally got to the point where the news of a confirmed atrocity and his story lined up nicely enough to reinforce each other.

"Interestingly coincides" is just a way of alluding to the idea that he's a plant and saying it merits serious consideration, if not belief; he may be a useful idiot, to turn a phrase on its head, but then again ... tum-dum! ... he may not be. Were it in a neutral source, 'interestingly' might be overlooked; but coming from an organization that was embarrassed, it's better seen as a veiled excuse. "We was duped, not by a simpleton twit, but by The Great and All-Powerful Rove of the Universe." Rather like surrendering: if you surrender against an equal or lesser foe, it's a shame and an embarrassment, you lose honor; if you surrender against a foe that could easily crush you, well, there's little shame in it, the question of loss of honor is undecided.

[rman]

14. maybe, maybe not - better to err on the side of paranoia

[LibertyorDeath]

15. WHY? Here's why "along with Haditha comes Jesse Macbeth"

Even for those who try to pay attention to what filters through the fog of war crimes, these things tend to run together. Haditha isn't Abu Sifa where, according to Iraqi police, US forces "on a rampage" executed a family of 11, then bombed their house, burned their cars and slaughtered their animals. What more will we hear of Abu Sifa, now Haditha has become the representative and inevitable example of honour's exception?

Because along with Haditha comes Jesse Macbeth, allegedly a former Army Ranger and Iraq war veteran, whose claims that massacre was method rather than madness rapidly went viral on the Net. His story was unsubstantiated and exteme, yet plausible because it was extreme, and provided a template to the pattern of force on exhibit in Iraq. A pattern rarely admitted by the West's institutional media.

But Macbeth, it now appears, is the Pentagon's timely strawman to buttress its case for Haditha's exceptionalism, and to discredit influential anti-war voices such as Iraq Veterans Against the War. Whether unaware or not of his status as a COINTELPRO asset, it doesn't matter, because regardless, Macbeth became a lucky charm for those who refuse to believe the program of horror in which US troops are engaged, and there are many. Similar stories may now be said to have been "debunked," without examination or a straining of battlefield ethics.

More http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/



Iraqis killed by US troops ‘on rampage’

Hala Jaber and Tony Allen-Mills, New York
Claims of atrocities by soldiers mount
THE villagers of Abu Sifa near the Iraqi town of Balad had become used to the sound of explosions at night as American forces searched the area for suspected insurgents. But one night two weeks ago Issa Harat Khalaf heard a different sound that chilled him to the bone.

Khalaf, a 33-year-old security officer guarding oil pipelines, saw a US helicopter land near his home. American soldiers stormed out of the Chinook and advanced on a house owned by Khalaf’s brother Fayez, firing as they went.

Khalaf ran from his own house and hid in a nearby grove of trees. He saw the soldiers enter his brother’s home and then heard the sound of women and children screaming.

“Then there was a lot of machinegun fire,” he said last week. After that there was the most frightening sound of all — silence, followed by explosions as the soldiers left the house.

More http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2103695,00...