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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:55 AM
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Al Gore is NOT running
Apologies if posted, could not find while searching.

He was interviewed by Harry Smith on CBS morning show and said that he was not going to issue a "shermanesque" statement, but is not interested in running.

West Coasters, you can still catch him.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:56 AM
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1. How many people in the U.S. do you suppose know...
What "Shermanesque" means!!!

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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:57 AM
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3. I do ...
Sherman, set the way back for 1841 and ...
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:37 AM
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30. W.T Sherman made his famous statement was made in 1884:
Edited on Wed May-31-06 10:38 AM by Benhurst
"If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:57 AM
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4. I do! GHWB issued one himself, right before he ran
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:59 AM
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5. Oh, I get it...
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:09 AM
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13. If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:57 AM
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2. Link?
I was crucified the other day for not posting a link about something that Kerry had said. The rules should apply to everyone.....not just me.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:03 AM
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8. For a TV live interview? That took place a couple of hours ago?
Sorry, cannot find one right now. Perhaps later, when the news wire pick the story.
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:04 AM
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9. What is TV?
Your name IS question everything :)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:00 AM
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6. But he's TALKING!!! Oh, my, MY, is he TALKING!!!!!!!!

Gore: Bush is 'renegade rightwing extremist'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1786442,00.html
Al Gore has made his sharpest attack yet on the George Bush presidency, describing the current US administration as "a renegade band of rightwing extremists".
In an interview with the Guardian today, the former vice-president calls himself a "recovering politician", but launches into the political fray more explicitly than he has previously done during his high-profile campaigning on the threat of global warming.

Denying that his politics have shifted to the left since he lost the court battle for the 2000 election, Mr Gore says: "If you have a renegade band of rightwing extremists who get hold of power, the whole thing goes to the right."....


Keep on talking, Al!!!!!

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:02 AM
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7. HAHA
Excellent, no? ;-)
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:06 AM
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11. I just love Al Gore
What was done to him should never have happened in the USA. I hate this gang of fascists that have taken over this country. Nothing is fair anymore with these thieves in charge.No matter what Dem gets the nomination,the presidency will be stolen from him.They got by with it twice,so what's to stop them NOW? :grr:
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:19 AM
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19. Sadly ...
In the end, it probably is for the best ...

1) This is not a knock on Gore, but congress would have just eaten him alive ... Delay et al, they were horrid WITH the full run, but they would have taken it to a WHOLE nother level had they not been able to steal Bush into office ... It would have been even worse than the Clinton fishing expedition, and Al just isn't as "tough" as Clinton was, in terms of fighting fire with fire ... They would have blocked EVERYTHING he tried to do, while doing everything possible, legal and otherwise, to take him down ... And, do not think for ONE SECOND that the media would not have been sided with the repukes on marginalizing Gore ...

2) Meanwhile, they would have FOULED everything up a lot like they have, and been able to blame it on Gore ... Heck, they have had the FULL run for four years, near full run for six years, and they STILL are trying as hard as they can to blame it all on them there liberals ... THIS, when from a distance, there is NO denying the blame lays anywhere but at the GOPs footsteps ...

3) 9-11 ... IF he would had fell asleep at the wheel like Bushco did, and it happened, we would not have been able get a democratic president elected, maybe the rest of our lifetime ... IMAGINE the heaping pile of liberal/democrat weak on security with 9-11 happenening on their watch we would have 1000 times a day, every day ... Jesus ...

Again ... This country is getting what it deserved ... It got apathetic, and it allowed itself to be coopted by extremists ... Heck, the country STILL does not get it ... It was so effectively dumbed down to allow for Bushco to get elected, Delay/Frist et al to run down Congress, that it still is like listing/talking to 12 year olds when political discussions come up ...

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:07 AM
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33. Gore is playing it right . . . if he were a candidate, all his work . . .
to raise awareness of global warming would be seen (by the MSM and the Repugs, anyhow) as nothing but a campaign gimmick . . . by remaining above the political fray, he can pursue his mission with no (or very little) criticism of his motives . . .

but . . .

when the time is right, I think that he will look to the Democratic grassroots for indications that they/we really want him as our candidate in 2008 . . .

don't count him out . . . he's probably this nation's best hope for at least beginning to recover from the BushCo atrocities . . .
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:14 AM
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35. But there are other grassroots candidates who are popular
so the "Democratic grassroots" is splintered between Gore, Clark and Feingold on this one.

You can't go around saying he's THE quintessential grassroots candidate - he's not.

(And I adore him, btw. This is no knock at him. Just pointing out that he's not the ONLY one popular amongst the grassroots).
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:25 AM
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38. I hope the second part of your post is right.
Only time will tell, etc.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:04 PM
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43. I see your point
but you are overlooking Iraq and the horrendous amount of deaths due to this war. And Gore would never have dreamed of going into Iraq, nor would have the congress, such as it is.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:06 AM
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10. My take is that Gore's in.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:08 AM
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12. Howdy Ole C!
:hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:10 AM
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14. Hey there, buff2. Nice to see ya. I'm out the door in one second
to listen on the car radio to Diane Rehm. Al Gore's on right now (10:00 hour Eastern).

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:42 AM
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22. I think he's not yet "in" but he's damned close
If Hill skips the party (damn, would that disappoint the wingnuts) he'll probably be pushed closer to an announcement.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:42 PM
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57. I think your scenario is very plausible. 'Could definitely see it. /nt
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:13 AM
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15. He's not running yet, it's too early....
Hope he does run when the time comes.

He'll be getting a lot of pressure to run, that's for sure.

It would be great if the real president was allowed to serve once in a while.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:18 AM
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17. Agree with you there
This time last cycle, the Democratic "front runner" was Joe Lieberman

We need to win mid term elections, first.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:24 AM
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37. Nonsense
Lieberman was never the front runner.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:43 AM
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39. Hence the use of quotes in that post (I think)...
The media may have portrayed some Joementum in order to sell air time. It would not be surprising.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:01 PM
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40. Yes he was. Early in the '04 primaries.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:59 PM
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45. Prove it
Edited on Wed May-31-06 02:59 PM by Nederland
Show me a link.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #37
55. Which is why we should take it with a grain of salt
when they try to sell us a Hillary nomination that is "inevitable".
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:17 AM
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16. Don't be so sure... he hasn't ruled it out
Edited on Wed May-31-06 09:20 AM by npincus
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1786442,00.html

New York magazine also has an interesting article about Gore. He has not issued an unconditional denial that he is running.


"But he claims he does not "expect to be a candidate" for president again, while refusing explicitly to rule out another run. Asked if any event could change his mind, he says: "Not that I can see

<snip>

It is significant, however, that Mr Gore refuses to go beyond saying that he has no "plans" for such a campaign. "I haven't made a Shermanesque statement because it just seems odd to do so," he has said - a reference to the famous announcement by the civil war general William Sherman, who unequivocally refused to stand in the election of 1884. "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve," General Sherman said.



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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:18 AM
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18. He used that same language in today's interview.
I listened carefully, and he did it again.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:44 AM
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23. I watched Big Al this am and he did not issue any declarations either way
He’s out promoting his movie and book.

He has not ruled out his candidacy, but it is way too early for him to declare anything.


I may have to start praying again.


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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:25 AM
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28. The movie and book promotions keep him in the limelight
without being part of an overly long campaign. Looks like great strategy to me. It would be best if he were drafted rather than simply deciding to run. I doubt that the Dems could put together that much unity.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:23 AM
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20. So I wonder who's he gonna pick for VP?
To not run with him (wink, wink).
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:23 AM
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27. We can safely assume it won't be Lieberman. n/t
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:29 AM
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29. We have several excellent candidates. My favorites are;
Feingold, Clark, Kucinich, Edwards, and Conyers. We should steer clear of any candidate who (1) supported the war decision , (2) is not strong on environment issues and (3) has voted for financial packages that favored the rich at the expense of all others.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:42 AM
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31. he should pick Wesley Clark
That would be killer!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:16 AM
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36. Why?
Clark should be either President or Secretary of State with his credentials. It would be such a waste to put Clark in as VP.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:15 PM
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42. you got a point
I was thinking Clark would add military leadership to the ticket and then the right couldnt say stuff about how Dems would not handle the war on terror well. But that issue might not play as well in 2008.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:42 AM
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61. If Wes and Gore both run, and Gore gets the nom,
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 08:43 AM by Totally Committed
you wouldn't want to see the strongest possible Democatic ticket, regardless???? Gore/Clark or Clark/Gore would be absolutely unbeatable. We need the win the WH back!

TC
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:02 PM
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51. Feingold. Please.
I mean, if you're "not gonna run", you might as well do it RIGHT.

I could live with Wes, too. :thumbsup:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:46 PM
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58. It's fun to speculate on possible Gore running mates.
Bill Richardson.

Brian Schweitzer.

Alexis Herman.

Howard Dean.

Chris Bell.

Jean Shaheen.

Max Cleland.

Bill Moyers.

Dale Bumpers.

Etc.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:35 AM
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21. If he were running...
The Repubs would be on an all-out assault. As it is, Al has the freedom and the forum to say whatever he wishes. He would lose that if he were a candidate.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:49 AM
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24. True!
This is ideal...for now.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:52 AM
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25. I disagree
T he repukes will assault regardless of who the candidate is.


They’ve been bashing Hillary for months and she hasn’t declared diddly-squat.

Big Al has already been through the wringer with them and would handle it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:57 AM
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26. You haven't seen a real assault....yet.
Wait until she officially announces. This is all just a warm-up.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:43 AM
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32. they already have started the attack
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:11 AM
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34. Remember to question everything.
Including present tense denials of running for a race in 2008.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:12 PM
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41. Stop with these posts.
He would be foolish to announce now that he's running. Why would he give them an extra year to attack him? They have created attack ads because he made a movie about the environment!

Chill out. He probably hasn't truly made up his mind, but we won't be ignored. Al will end up running and if we have anything to say about it, he'll be the next President (again).
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:12 PM
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44. If Gore doesn't run I can't think of anyone else I'd wholeheartedly.......
.....support though.:patriot: I guess I'd be reduced to plugging my nose and pulling the level/pushing the button for whoever the Democratic nominee turns out to be.:shrug:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. It's still very early. All kinds of things are going to happen--
November being the most important for now.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. You're right there and thank you for the reminder because.........
......I'm usually the one telling everyone exactly that. :hug:
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:23 PM
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48. He will probably run, but were he to let on any interest at this point
the R/W media would slaughter him by the time the real campaign rolls around!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:37 PM
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49. la, la, la, la, la, la, la


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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:59 PM
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50. We may as well get used to it,
because these posts happen with regularity and we're bound to see many more of them. ;-)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:03 PM
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52. If he's not running, then why do we have to "catch" him?
Answer me that, smarty-man!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:10 PM
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53. He's going to wait until the roar of the crowd is deafening
everyone has their lighters up in the air, and a few doubters are heading for the exits.

Then he's going to swing down onto the stage in a blaze of fireworks and kleig lights for the rock and roll political encore of the Century.

Which is exactly how it should be.

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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:10 PM
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54. I'm on Gore's bandwagon, but one thing troubles me.
Where does he stand on NAFTA and CAFTA? Has he admitted they have been complete failures? They were supposed to raise Mexicans out of poverty, thus stemming the flow to our country. That did not happen. I'm assuming he approved of NAFTA under his Vice Presidency, but there should now be a few statements as to the mess it has helped create.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #54
62. Gore was in that famous debate with Ross Perot
on the Larry King show. He was a big supporter of NAFTA. Perot, who was against NAFTA, would cup his ear and refer to the "giant sucking sound" of jobs leaving the country. Gore, at the time, was considered to be the winnner of this debate. But Perot was proven ultimately to be right.

What I want to know is: Why were not the environmental and labor laws ever enforced? This was suppose to be an important component of NAFTA. These laws were broken right and left under Clinton/Gore and nothing was ever done about it! I always felt that everything would have worked out better if "free trade" privileges were taken away from the countries who did not comply.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:35 PM
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56. But did he say I am not running RIGHT NOW
but that does not mean I WILL NOT BE running a year from now.

When assuming the inside-the-Beltway political mantra, one must be sure to conjugate one's verbs carefully. We have been around the block once or twice on this issue in closely examining the definition of "is." Therefore, a little verb scrutiny may be -- make that MIGHT be -- in order.

On another note, anyone who would declare for the presidency this early in the election season does not have the right stuff to make it through a campaign. Additionally, potential candidates who declare before the mid-terms would probably take a hammering from their own party leaders for doing so and detracting from the soon-to-be upon us 2006 races.

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:17 AM
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59. *sigh*
Ok, does anyone here believe he would actually even hint at a run when we are facing very important mid-terms?

Sometimes I wish the Clue-store would advertise on DU.

Julie
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:50 AM
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60. I'm confused...is ANYBODY running right now?
So far, who HAS declared themselves as a candidate for '08?

Most are playing the 'I will run if dragged into it backwards' role. That way, they look humble and needed. Al is just playing a little harder to get. But for somebody who isn't interested, he is running the smartest campaign so far.
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