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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:27 AM
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I'm being told Gore didn't deny saying he invented the internet while
running for president. Any quotes that say otherwise during those times? I would really very much, totally appreciate it!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:28 AM
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1. He didn't deny beating his wife, either.
So what does that prove? ;-)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:30 AM
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2. He didn't have to. About a million people stepped up and defended him.
Edited on Wed May-31-06 11:32 AM by onehandle
Including THE INVENTOR OF THE INTERNET.

The talk shows and networks only wanted to talk about Gore's "shameful boasting".

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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:31 AM
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3. He didn't deny that Bush is an imbecile who stole the election, either
You can always fling something like that right back that them. Then it's up to them to prove the negative.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:32 AM
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4. lots of stuff on goggle on this-including good one from Salon.
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:32 AM
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5. It's a misinterpretation of an interview quote.
Edited on Wed May-31-06 11:33 AM by swimmernsecretsea
Snopes.com, a respected urban-legend and hoax debunking site, repeats the quote here, and provides background and clarification:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

Here's the link.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:32 AM
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6. From snopes:
Edited on Wed May-31-06 11:33 AM by Kingshakabobo
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Status: False.

Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.'

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:01 PM
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25. This is a GREAT Link!
Had never thought about that angle. Using Snopes really changes the frame -- it's less like a polical debate and more like finding out whether there really are alligators in Manhattan sewers or whether someone really did put a cat in the microwave.

The Daily Howler can spell it all out in excruciating detail, but people won't listen to it because the blogger is a friend of Gore. But Snopes -- you don't want to believe in something debunked by Snopes.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:33 AM
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7. This is what he said, and it's absolutely true

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.


Nothing to deny there.

Vincent Cerf, co-inventor of TCP/IP and arguably one of the fathers of the internet, said this about Gore:

...we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his
role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.

...

No one in public life has been more intellectually
engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the
Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the
councils of government and with the public at large.

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200009/msg00052.html

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:34 AM
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8. From Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf:
Robert Kahn and Vint Cerf invented the TCP/IP protocol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Kahn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinton_G._Cerf

Al Gore and the Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his
role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official
to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we
know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in
the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual
leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high
speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on
how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating
the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.

As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into
an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials
in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured the
passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.

As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as
well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies
that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for
continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private
sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of
extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today,
approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore
provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the
Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven
operation.

There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid growth
since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political support
for its privatization and continued support for research in advanced
networking technology. No one in public life has been more intellectually
engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the
Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the
councils of government and with the public at large.

The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value
of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and
consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American
citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:34 AM
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9. You want quotes here are quotes.
Edited on Wed May-31-06 11:40 AM by Hoping4Change
This is a terrific article for laying this issue to rest and also quotes those involved in the creation of the Internet who give Gore credit for realizing its potential and supporting its creatation.



"Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, which implies that he engineered the technology. The invention occurred in the seventies and allowed scientists in the Defense Department to communicate with each other. In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."


Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that's how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of "inventing" for the actual language.


But the real question is what, if anything, did Gore actually do to create the modern Internet?


According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."


The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."


Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"



http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:34 AM
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10. WHY Should We? Did the Person Give you Evidence?
Evidence that he said he invented the internet? Nope... because the quote does not exist. You should know that by now. Come on!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:35 AM
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11. I'd REALLY like to know why you are wasting our time with this.
And where you've been for five years.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:39 AM
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13. wasting your time? Jesus...take a chill pill...w/ all the gore 08 talk
we can and should expect that this will come up again.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:09 PM
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22. Maybe there isn't a more important Tom Cruise bashing thread?
I sure hate it when people clutter up DemocraticUnderground with political topics that go straight to the heart of the corruption of the media, not to mention that help to define a potential front-runner level candidate for the 2008 presidential elections. Damnit all, can't we mock the tragic death of a young blonde woman, or trash some musical act for entertaining the masses, or better, bash rednecks and southerners some more? WE HAVE A MISSION HERE, dammit, and all this political talk is just distracting!!!!!!!!!
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:37 AM
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12. Start your search here
Al Gore "invented the Internet" - resources

Why would he deny saying something he didn't say, when the record clearly showed what he did say?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:40 AM
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14. You are Correct in That Gore Didn't Effectively Rebut the Criticism
and on one occasion, I saw him look a little sheepish and say he might have taken a little too much credit. That may have come from genuine humility, but it was NOT the right political stance.

Not correcting the internet quote was the biggest blunder of Gore's campaign (which was otherwise much better than he's usually given credit for). This was the campaign right there, just as the swiftboat veterans were for Kerry.

And the next nominee, no matter who it is, had damn sure better have a good strategy for dealing with the next personal attack. Because it's going to come out of left field.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:51 AM
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15. The media will certainly won't help us... n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:55 AM
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16. Gore was in his wooden period at the time and didn't react to
crap like this very well.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:55 AM
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17. I totally understand it was a ridiculous charge.
I just am surprised they didn't rebut it successfully. Actually kind of disapointed...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:01 PM
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18. No One was pushing funding the change over to the "internet" as hard as
Gore, and he was alone among legislators doing this. - - In "brief (internet) history" http://www.isoc.org/internet-history/brief.html we find 1988: Kahn et al. write a paper "Towards a National Research Network." According to the Brief History, "This report was influential on then Senator Al Gore, and ushered in high speed networks that laid the networking foundation for the future information superhighway."

The "information superhighway" term became standard usuage because Gore started to use it in speeches as he compared the need for the internet to the need for an interstate highway system - Gore "coined" the term "information superhighway".

Without Gore, it would have been unlikely that we'd get passage of the "High Performance Computing Act of 1991"

As early as 1986, Gore called for, in the context of funding for the NSF, support for basic research in computer networking:

Mr. President, it gives me great pleasure to support the proposed National Science Foundation Authorization Act.
MR. PRESIDENT, IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION AUTHORIZATION ACT.

WITHIN THIS BILL I HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS, THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY AND THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT REPORT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED WITH SENATOR GORTON AS S. 2594. IT CALLS FOR A 2-YEAR STUDY OF THE CRITICAL PROBLEMS AND CURRENT AND FUTURE OPTIONS REGARDING COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS FOR RESEARCH COMPUTERS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT TO SUBMIT A REPORT TO CONGRESS ON THE ACTIONS TAKEN TO ESTABLISH AN INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT.

BOTH OF THESE AMENDMENTS SEEK NEW INFORMATION ON CRITICAL PROBLEMS OF TODAY. THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY ACT IS DESIGNED TO ANSWER CRITICAL QUESTIONS ON THE NEEDS OF COMPUTER TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE THE FUTURE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPUTERS IN TERMS OF QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF DATA TRANSMISSION, DATA SECURITY, AND SOFTWEAR COMPATIBILITY? WHAT EQUIPMENT MUST BE DEVELOPED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HIGH TRANSMISSION RATES OFFERED BY FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS?

BOTH SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE SPECIAL NEEDS OF SUPERCOMPUTERS AND SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF SMALLER RESEARCH COMPUTERS WILL BE EVALUATED. THE EMPHASIS IS ON RESEARCH COMPUTERS, BUT THE USERS OF ALL COMPUTERS WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS STUDY. TODAY, WE CAN BANK BY COMPUTER, SHOP BY COMPUTER, AND SEND LETTERS BY COMPUTER. ONLY A FEW COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS USE THESE SERVICES, BUT THE NUMBER IS GROWING AND EXISTING CAPABILITIES ARE LIMITED.

IN ORDER TO COPE WITH THE EXPLOSION OF COMPUTER USE IN THE COUNTRY, WE MUST LOOK TO NEW WAYS TO ADVANCE THE STATE-OF-THE-ART IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS -- NEW WAYS TO INCREASE THE SPEED AND QUALITY OF THE DATA TRANSMISSION. WITHOUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THE TELECOMMUNICATION NETWORKS FACE DATA BOTTLENECKS LIKE THOSE WE FACE EVERY DAY ON OUR CROWDED HIGHWAYS.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS ALREADY AWARE OF THE NEED TO EVALUATE AND ADOPT NEW TECHNOLOGIES. ONE PROMISING TECHNOLOGY IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS FOR VOICE AND DATA TRANSMISSION. EVENTUALLY WE WILL SEE A SYSTEM OF FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS BEING INSTALLED NATIONWIDE.

AMERICA'S HIGHWAYS TRANSPORT PEOPLE AND MATERIALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. FEDERAL FREEWAYS CONNECT WITH STATE HIGHWAYS WHICH CONNECT IN TURN WITH COUNTY ROADS AND CITY STREETS. TO TRANSPORT DATA AND IDEAS, WE WILL NEED A TELECOMMUNICATIONS HIGHWAY CONNECTING USERS COAST TO COAST, STATE TO STATE, CITY TO CITY. THE STUDY REQUIRED IN THIS AMENDMENT WILL IDENTIFY THE PROBLEMS AND OPPORTUNITIES THE NATION WILL FACE IN ESTABLISHING THAT HIGHWAY.


In 1988, Gore argued for the creation of a high-capacity national data network:


THIS LEGISLATION TAKES THE FIRST CRITICAL STEPS TO ADDRESS THOROUGHLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN PROMOTING HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING. OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, WE CAN REFINE THIS LEGISLATION. BUT WE MUST ACT. THE UNITED STATES HAS MAYBE A 1-YEAR LEAD OVER OUR CLOSEST COMPETITORS IN THE HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING FIELD. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HESITATE IN CRAFTING A BLUEPRINT TO ENSURE THAT LEAD FOR THE <*S16898> NEXT DOZEN YEARS OF THIS CENTURY AND TO POSITION OURSELVES FOR THE NEXT CENTURY. REPRESENTATIVES FROM INDUSTRY, ACADEMIA, AND FEDERAL AGENCIES SHOULD DISCUSS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, USING THIS BILL AS A FRAMEWORK FOR ACTION.
THE NATIONAL HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ACT OF 1988 WOULD EXPAND AND IMPROVE FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICATION OF HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY. SPECIFICALLY, THIS ACT WOULD ESTABLISH A HIGH-CAPACITY NATIONAL RESEARCH COMPUTER NETWORK, DEVELOP AND DISTRIBUTE SOFTWARE, DEVELOP ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS, STIMULATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF HARDWARE, AND INVEST IN BASIC RESEARCH AND EDUCATION.

THE ACT WOULD DEFINE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING. THE ACT WOULD PROVIDE FOR A 3-GIGABIT-PER-SECOND NATIONAL NETWORK, DEVELOP FEDERAL STANDARDS, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT USER VIEWS, EXAMINE TELECOMMUNICATIONS POLICY, BUILD AN INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMPOSED OF DATA BASES AND KNOWLEDGE BANKS, CREATE A NATIONAL SOFTWARE CORPORATION TO DEVELOP IMPORTANT SOFTWARE PROGRAMS, ESTABLISH A CLEARINGHOUSE TO VALIDATE AND DISTRIBUTE SOFTWARE, PROMOTE ARTICIFIAL INTELLIGENCE DATA BASES, INCREASE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, STUDY EXPORT CONTROLS AFFECTING COMPUTERS, REVIEW PROCUREMENT POLICIES TO STIMULATE THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY, AND ENHANCE COMPUTER SCIENCE EDUCATION PROGRAMS. IT ALSO CLEARLY DEFINES AGENCY MISSIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITH RESPECT TO HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING.

In 1989 floor debate Gore said:

Well, we could do more and we should be doing more. I'd take a slightly different view of this question. I agree totally with those who say, education is the key to it. But I genuinely believe that the creation of this nationwide network and the broader installation of lower capacity fiber optic cables to all parts of this country, will create an environment where work stations are common in homes and even small businesses with access to supercomputing capability being very, very widespread. It's sort of like, once the interstate highway system existed, then a college student in California who lived in North Carolina would be more likely to buy a car, drive back and forth instead of taking the bus. Once that network for supercomputing is in place, you're going to have a lot more people gaining access to the capability, developing an interest in it. That will lead to more people getting training and more purchases of machines.

THREE YEARS AGO, ON THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, I SPONSORED THE SUPERCOMPUTER NETWORK STUDY ACT TO EXPLORE A FIBER OPTIC NETWORK TO LINK THE NATION'S SUPERCOMPUTERS INTO ONE SYSTEM. HIGH-CAPACITY FIBER OPTIC NETWORKS WILL BE THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAYS OF TOMORROW. A NATIONAL NETWORK WITH ASSOCIATED SUPERCOMPUTERS AND DATA BASES WILL LINK ACADEMIC RESEARCHERS AND INDUSTRY IN A NATIONAL COLABORATORY. THIS INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE WILL CLUSTER RESEARCH CENTERS AND BUSINESSES AROUND NETWORK INTERCHANGES, USING THE NATION'S VAST DATA BANKS AS THE BUILDING BLOCKS FOR INCREASING INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTIVITY, CREATING NEW PRODUCTS, AND IMPROVING ACCESS TO EDUCATION. LIBRARIES, RURAL SCHOOLS, MINORITY INSTITUTIONS, AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME NATIONAL RESOURCES -- DATA BASES, SUPERCOMPUTERS, ACCELERATORS -- AS MORE AFFLUENT AND BETTER KNOWN INSTITUTIONS.
CAN WE RELY ON THE MARKET SYSTEM TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE? WE CERTAINLY COULDN'T WHERE THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM WAS CONCERNED, ALTHOUGH PRIVATE INDUSTRY ULTIMATELY BENEFITED A GREAT DEAL FROM THE GOVERNMENT'S LEADERSHIP AND INVESTMENT. I BELIEVE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MUST AGAIN BE A CATALYST, TO GET COMPANIES INTERESTED IN THOSE INFORMATION NETWORKS AND SHOW THEM THAT THERE IS A MARKET OUT THERE. CLEARLY, THE TECHNOLOGICAL SPINOFFS AND PRODUCTIVITY GAINS WOULD BE ENORMOUS, FROM A NETWORK THAT WOULD COST THE GOVERNMENT LESS THAN ONE STEALTH BOMBER.

John Markoff wrote for the December 29, 1988 edition of the New York Times:

Computer scientists and Government officials are urging the creation of a nationwide "data superhighway" that they believe would have a dramatic economic impact, rivaling that of the nation's interstate highway system.
This highway would consist of a high-speed fiber-optic data network joining dozens of supercomputers at national laboratories and making them available to thousands of academic and industry researchers around the country ...

Legislation introduced in October by Senator Albert Gore, Democrat of Tennessee, included initial financing for development and construction of a National Research Network. Backers of the measure say that Federal financing for the project is necessary to develop the technology and convince industry that vastly speedier computer networks are commercially viable.


September 28, 2000, Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf released a statement to key Internet mailing lists stating their unequivocal belief that Gore played an important role during his congressional years in supporting the Internet:

I am taking the liberty of sending to you both a brief summary of Al Gore's Internet involvement, prepared by Bob Kahn and me. As you know, there have been a seemingly unending series of jokes chiding the vice president for his assertion that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant credit for his early recognition of the importance of what has become the Internet.

I thought you might find this short summary of sufficient interest to share it with Politech and the IP lists, respectively.

==============================================================

Al Gore and the Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.

As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.

As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today, approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven operation.

There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political support for its privatization and continued support for research in advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.

The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.



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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:02 PM
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19. Hasn't "invented the internet" jumped the shark yet?
What we need is for a major cartoon or a Big Brother All-Star to treat this lie in a derisive manner.

I actually think that people still believe this lie even once they have read the quote because if e.g. "Polluted Skies" and "Clear Skies" really means the same thing then, "create" and "invent" must mean the same thing. Compared to "Polluted Skies", "Clear Skies", "create" and "invent" are practically the same word.

But for those of us playing at home, here is a pair of sentences which should make the stark contrast between create and invent clear:

SENTENCE ONE: "My six year old created a hand-turkey today in kindergarten. I'm so proud."
SENTENCE TWO: "My six year old invented the turkey."

;)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:03 PM
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20. Like any smart politician, he let his friends defend him, and stuck to the
issues, rather than letting himself get sucked into a "yes you did/no I didn't" high school debate.

The letter from Cerf and Kahn is cited above. Here are a couple more: "The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?""

Further, Bill Clinton defended him in several speeches.

Gore chose to campaign by ignoring the digs against him and focusing on what he could do for the country. He may have underestimated the degree to which the media had been bought by the Republican Party, and the degree to which they would lie and distort to push their candidate Bush, but in the end, he still won. It took a massive vote-tampering effort by Bush and an inexplicable non-judicial decision by five members of the Supreme Court for Bush to finally defeat Gore.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:05 PM
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21. If Gore's claim was false, then why did he win a Webby Award?
http://www.webbyawards.com/webbys/specialwin.php

The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award: Former Vice President Al Gore

Setting the record straight on one of recent history's most persistent political myths, The Webby Awards will present Former Vice President Al Gore with The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award in recognition of the pivotal role he has played in the development of the internet over the past three decades. Vint Cerf, widely credited as one of the "fathers of the internet," will present Vice President Gore with the award.




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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:27 PM
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24. let's get this straight as I remember how the media played Gore
Edited on Wed May-31-06 12:29 PM by newspeak
You see, by the time the talking heads on television got done tearing down Gore, there Boy-king Bush was in the bag. They created the image of the countrified, one of us, Bush against the stiff-as-a-board, lying Gore. When Bush was asked about insider trading, his answer was my mother-in-law lost money, even though he made over 848,000 dollars on the deal. The media did not press him, just accepted the answer. When asked about his DUIs and drug usage, Bush answered that he didn't want to answer it as it might influence the young'uns. The press didn't press it. As a matter of fact, they were chummy and joking with * and let him slide at every turn. Now, Gore was a different matter. They misquoted him, called him a liar and the one statement he made about touring, I believe with FEMA, he had mistakenly stated he was touring with the wrong guy. He got the guy wrong and they called him a liar. The fix was in one way or another and our glorious media was indeed complicit. So how do ya'll like the corporate media choosing our leaders? Patting themselves on the back on how they can dupe the public to accept their candidates and use PR to get the American people to back war? Even with the engineering by the media, Gore won-but they even helped orchestrate the recount debacle, and some stations declared * the winner before the recount. All orchestrated for a very uninformed, duped public.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:15 PM
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23. Why would he deny something he never said?
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