RFK Jr. on Charlie Rose - just great!!

[welshTerrier2]

i'm paraphrasing from memory ...

"the Democrats who turn out for the caucuses (in Iowa) are the real party activists and they are strongly opposed to Iraq ... no candidate who is not clearly against the war will be able to emerge from Iowa" ...

that pretty much let's out the current crop ... anyone not calling for "Out Now" is trusting bush to "do better" ... they can't be serious ...

time for some fresh faces or some new positions ...

[MuseRider]

1. Or maybe,

dare I say it, Dennis Kucinich?

I have not seen it yet, it has just started here. Thanks for the teaser :).

[welshTerrier2]

3. fastest 1/2 hour on TV ...

i think RFK Jr. came on at about the 1/2 way point ...

DK you say ... wellllll, OK ... that works for me ...

the Dems really need to look at someone from the House or maybe someone not currently in office at all ... no one in mind for that yet ...

[MuseRider]

5. All I know

is he has been 100% right on this issue, on many of the issues and if he gets grief for what he does he honestly searches for the answers and will admit a mistake and change, even if he personally does not believe that for him that would be the most comfortable position. I really respect that about him.

I really think it may be a mistake to pull someone from either house but I really don't know where else to look. We need a real progressive governor.

Sorry to hijack your original intent.

[welshTerrier2]

8. this is my original intent ...

progressive Govs? are there any?

i often see people emphasizing how DU'ers are way out of the mainstream in the Democratic Party ... perhaps that's true ...

what's interesting though is that perhaps DU mirrors the kind of political views common among Iowa caucus attendees ... if that's true or even mostly true, perhaps DU is a good model for what it will take to get the big push coming out of Iowa ...

i will be beyond disgusted if the only choices we're offered in the primaries come from the current crop of war supporters ...

[MuseRider]

10. I just don't know

enough about all the governors. I know people keep bringing up Kathleen Sebelius who is my governor and I do love her, she has been great for Kansas but progressive? Not at all really.

I just finished watching the interview, it was outstanding. We need someone who is willing to say what he is saying without shame or couching it in nicer terms. Everyone keeps saying that it would be political suicide. My god, how do you vote for someone not willing to speak like that? To tell the truth with conviction. I agree, of the current crop I am less than thrilled. Maybe Feingold? I have not really paid that much attention to the presidential election yet.

I have never thought that DU was that far out. There are so many opinions here that I think we probably do mirror a lot of the party. We cover the entire spectrum and although that might make it difficult to come to a consensus I would really hate for us to be otherwise.

[welshTerrier2]

11. "how do you vote for someone not willing to speak like that?"

ain't that the truth!!

they seem so worried about getting called liberals or having clearly defined positions used as targets that they say nothing and do nothing ... RFK Jr. was tough and he "put it out there" ...

we sure could use a couple of hundred more like him ...

[MuseRider]

15. The understatement of the year

"we sure could use a couple of hundred more like him ..."

I am tired of the business of politicians getting elected. Not that it is news to you or many here but that seems to be all they are about, or most of them anyway. We really, seriously need to clean house in our own party and I am so sick and tired of waiting to get evil politicians out and having to vote for whoever just to do it. The longer we wait the more entrenched they get.

For the record, I am no longer a Democrat but a die hard liberal "no affiliation" voter. I left the afternoon Alito was voted in. I still consider it my party, it always has been but I made my little point with my voter registration.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. He did well, I thought.....

... given the limits of the format ( Charlie Rose's run-on questions, interruptions and non-sequitors).

RFK covered the Rolling Stone article and ripped into the the corporate news media for its non-coverage of the Iraq war.

Rose was manifestly annoyed... as he invariably is on those rare occasions when he has a progressive guest on the show.

BTW, isn't it customary for the host to thank the guest at the conclusion of the interview?

[FogerRox]

4. RFK jr.

Was on Fire, he was pumped up. His command of the issues was great. I am SO PROUD.

[dweller]

6. He's eating Charlie's lunch ...

man he was on fire.

dp

[mistertrickster]

14. Charlie is from Texas . . . I almost threw up when he had Karen Huge on

awhile back. It must have taken three weeks for the hickies to subside on her ass.

The guy fakes neutral but then he does his "wounded bird, pay no attention to the nest" frantic flutter when BushCo. gets whacked by a guest.

[DianeG5385]

7. Wesley Clark

He was right from the start (Opposed the war in front of Congress)

He has the background experience and wisdom to guide our country back from the dark days

[welshTerrier2]

9. what's his current position on Iraq?

what does he say we should do now? he's not still pushing "regional diplomacy" is he?

i remember more than a year ago Clark was talking about having a very short window to get things right in Iraq ... is he still saying that a year later?

it's time to get the hell out of there!! has Clark called for that?

[Sopianae]

19. I don't want to hijack this thread so I will try to keep it simple...

- Yes, "regional diplomacy" still must be part of the solution. Kind of obvious.
- His "current" position is the same as his postion has been from the beginning.
- His positon is about the same as Gore's: get out as soon as possible, but withdrawal must be determined by the conditions on the ground and not by an artificial time-table, we can't just withdraw immediately, no permanent bases in Iraq. This is pretty much what Gore said on Letterman and pretty much what Clark has been saying all along.

On a personal note, I grew up in an occupied country - Hungary. Fortunately, I am not old enough to have lived through the worst years - the 40's, 50's and 60's. But I can tell you this: living in an occupied country is a schizophrenic experience. No matter how much you want the occupiers to leave, you don't want more violence, especially if you lived through it before. It's a constant balancing act. Yes, the situation in Iraq is horrible right now, and yes, we have to leave as soon as possible, but it has to be done in a way that minimizes the explosion of violence that will happen in the aftermath.

[mistertrickster]

12. You are CORRECT! But the real bombshells were when he said that

the media spent millions on exit polls in 2004, they hired the best and oldest exit pollster, and they interviewed 200,000 voters when they could have intervewed only 2,000 for an accurate count.

Result--Kerry WON OHIO AND FLORIDA. RFK, Jr. pulled no punches . . . said flat out that BushCo stole the election.

******

Also, said that voters are kept in the dark by media who only want to sell sex and celebrity. Voters "know more about Brad and Angelina than about social security. That's why they vote against their best interests."

This TOTALLY ROCKED! I'm going to try to store and save this and put it on a DVD if I can as soon as the streaming video comes up. Everybody needs to see this!

Somebody post a link as soon as the video is available.

K & R'd

[welshTerrier2]

13. on voter fraud

isn't it interesting the RFK Jr. makes no apologies about saying the elections were stolen??

look at the elite members of the Democratic Party itself ... are they willing to make the case and take it to the American people?

probably not ... like every other issue, they're worried about how it will "LOOK" ... is this any way to run an airline?????

[mistertrickster]

16. Damn right. Can you imagine what the Repukes would be doing if

the Dems had pulled this shit?

They'd be going ballistic!

BTW, it's ELECTION fraud, not voter fraud. "Voter" fraud is what Repukes claim to be worried about when they purge the voting rolls of blacks etc.

Somebody brought the distinction to my attention awhile back when I said "voter" fraud, and I realized there is a difference . . .

[welshTerrier2]

17. nice phrasing

election fraud it is !!!

[thethinker]

18. RFK Jr. was brilliant

He was honest and straight to the point.

Charlie Rose would not let him talk. He kept cutting him off and changing the subject. Charlie Rose has to go!

Every time they have a fund drive on PBS I call and tell them as long as they have a neo con idiot like Charlie Rose on, they won't get any more donations from me. He is so transparent. He just would not let RFK Jr talk about the stolen election. I really think this man is on more payrolls than PBS.

[Sopianae]

20. Well, to be honest, Charlie keeps interrupting most of his guests.

He can be really annoying. Yes, he has had several neo-con guests over the years but he also had some great progressives. We usually check his website to see who his guest are for the show. We only watch if the guest is really "worth" it like when he had Hersh or Gore on. Today's show was definitely worth it!

[Awsi Dooger]

21. Too much exit poll

RFK was passionate and did very well, but the nature of his piece led the focus of Rose's questoning to be on exit polling and not vote suppression. Not a word about vote suppression tonight. That's the valid issue but it gets completely overwhelmed when the more glamorous stuff like exit polling and DREs are included. Such a waste. If we had 1% focus on low tech vote suppression as Diebold we might be able to prevent some of it before November.

[Piedras]

22. RFK Jr. made me proud

I saw the entire interview between RFK Jr. and Charlie Rose tonite (7/06/2006). RFK Jr. was well prepared. Despite Charlie's interruptions, he didn't stumble. Mr. Kennedy kept going strongly stating his points...so much so that Charlie quieted down from his usual level of interruption.

Charlie tried to lead him to discuss HRC and other leading Democrats who are expected to run for president in 2008. I particularly liked when RFK Jr. said the people in Iowa are leading the politicians in their opposition to the Iraq war and that the Iowa caucuses may be quicksand for war mongering candidates (HRC's name went unsaid).

The Charlie Rose show has been available, free, from Google videos. I hope this evening's show soon becomes available for DU'ers who missed the broadcast to see .