Serious question about the IWR vote

[Democrats unite]

It has come to my attention that we are supose to give Kerry & Edwards a pass on this vote because they were mislead. Bush is claimg the same thing. Where does the madness end? If we are to hold Bush accountable for his actions, we should also hold Kerry & Edwards accountable for thier actions. If by chance either of these two become President and screw up again, are they to be forgiven again? To me it's the same arguement, different parties. Edwards has an excuse, no experience, but in the same breath that doesn't look good on a Presidential resume. Kerry has no excuse, how long has he been in the Senate? It's all about accountability people & it might as well start in the primaries.

[FloridaPat]

1. Bush was gunning for the war the day he got in office. His

family made a lot of money off Afghanistan and Iraq. Probably more to come. Bush can't tell the truth if they put it on a teleprompter. He should be arrested for treason.

As for Kerry & Edwards - they represent the worst of the Democratic Party - the enablers who aren't leading us anywhere. They let Bush off the hook time after time. I would really like to see an opposition party in this country. I think there are enough people to hi-jack the Democratic Party and turn it back into the Opposition to Everything Republican Party

[genius]

2. You shouldn't shoot yourself because someone voted wrong.

Look at the overall picture. These are really good guys who will do good things in the right place.

[For PaisAn]

3. There's a fatal flaw in their excuses

Kerry & Edwards say they voted for IWR because they were "lead to believe" that Iraq was an imminent threat. They had to protect us. Then why didn't Kerry & Edwards and the rest of "them" call for a North Korea War Resolution? Wouldn't North Korea, known to have nuclear capabilities, be considered an imminent threat warranting immediate action to protect the US? But no, that would not happen because we all KNOW North Korea has nuclear capabilities and we would not attack them for that very reason. We attacked Iraq because... well because we could, plain and simple. I firmly believe Kerry & Edwards voted in favor of the IWR purely for political reasons. The only other explanation is that they were too ignorant or foolish to figure this farce out. Either way, that's NOT indicative of Presidential material.

[arewethereyet]

4. pass or don't pass, the general public are not interested

shock of shocks, they're voting their wallets as they always do.

And Edwards wants less of whats in there than anyone else. People see that.

[abburdlen]

6. If that's the case

may I direct you attention to:
http://www.clark04.com/taxcalculator/

[arewethereyet]

8. lovely, I've seen it before

only problem is that there is no chance that a republican Congress will pass that plan.

Goals are great only if they are attainable. Otherwise they're just a fool's errand.

[gate of the sun]

5. I think it sends a clear message to the Republicans that we don't care

about IWR vote.....that it's really only Bush we don't like and not the policies. I am personally disgusted by the way people turn their backs on this issue as if it doesn't matter. People died American and Iraqi people not to mention allied soldiers who died.This issue is very important to me and that is why I cannot endorse Kerry anymore than I can endorse Bush.....on this issue at least. We looked to our representatives to stop this insanity being instigated by Bush and our representatives let us down.

Now it looks as though the Dems are dead set on putting someone into office that betrayed us, (many of us) with this vote.....People care about ideas like" elect ability" and let that stand in their way of voting for someone who did not and would not have supported Bush in this action against Iraq.Then they turn the other way and support one who they view as electable and ignore something so crucial as the IWR vote.

For the first time in the history of this planet there was world wide protest against this unprecedented invasion against a country. Did our representatives hear us then? NO.

We are sending a message to the world by electing Kerry that we don't hold him accountable.

I remember when I read who voted for the IWR I was in shock and disbelief how we had been let down.....betrayed by our own party. I cried that day.....I know many many of you were upset and let down that day as well....how can it be so easily forgotten now?

[For PaisAn]

7. In addition to

"sending a message to the world by electing Kerry that we don't hold him accountable", we are also sending a message to bush, to the neocons, to other Democrats, etc., etc.

The excuses these Senators give for voting for the IWR ares a farce, see my post #3 above. I'd like them debate that with me.

[gate of the sun]

9. I forgot that crucial point when I was re-writing the end of my post.

We are telling the world that we want the same old sh*t!

Thank you for bringing that up.

[hedgetrimmer]

10. No wonder the world hates us.... right now the world could feel sorry for

us, we have an un-elected goverment that has gone askew and then some... but if Kerry takes this we are telling the world it is not just our elected and un-elected officials it is we the citizens, the voting public who do not give one, two or three big Donkey doo-doos about any of it....

If we fought at large, from the schools to the office buildings from the streets to our governmental buildings for what we feel and know is just and send a message to the world that we the voting citizens do not accept the actions of our government and then lost we could wake in the morning without the knowledge of utter stupidity, we can wake with the knowledge that we fought for something better.... but to not even fight... our heads would be hung low, with the growth of corporations and dwindling rights, paychecks and jobs...

Then of course, we the people can still fight... right here on the sacred Democratic Underground and rise up against the same old and jockey for a new america and win what is ours from schools to office buildings from the streets to OUR governmental buildings we the voting citizens do not accept the actions of our elected and un-elected officials... we want the government that is by for and of...

For what it means to be a DEMOCRAT Kerry should drop out, he should drop out to prove that he is worthy of any DEMOCRAT's respect...

put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[gate of the sun]

11. Kick

N/t

[For PaisAn]

12. Here's a kick with a link

http://www.kaicurry.com/gwbush/remindus.swf
Tell everyone to check this out and then come back and tell us to forget about this one little vote these Senators made.

[corporatewhore]

13. Kucinich was not fooled i hold them to the same standerd

[sandnsea]

14. Bush is the President

For some reason, the rest of the United States grasps that the President is responsible for what comes out of his mouth and the President is responsible for his diplomacy or lack of it and the President is responsible for not allowing inspections to continue and the President is responsible for the decision to deploy troops.

The President. George W. Bush. Nobody else.

[bigtree]

15. As the junior Senator from Massachusets

John Kerry had unmentionable power. Control over the entire 'intelligence' apparatus, and the sole power to commit forces.
By gum, he even had the power to read minds and souls. What the heck was he doing hiding behind that single vote he had? Why oh why didn't he use his x-ray vision? Why didn't he Haig out and declare himself in charge? Why didn't he throw himself on the White House gate?

Now if he was president, well, then he could have really kicked ass. Yeah, president. That's the ticket. John Kerry for President!

John Kerry for President!