RE: the Evangelicals that sponsored the conference Sen. Obama spoke at

[Douglas Carpenter]

The conference that Sen. Obama, Sen. Clinton and Gov. Dean was speaking at was sponsored by the Sojourners movement.

Sojourners are actually fairly left-wing on foreign policy and economic issues; and moderate on social issues.


Sojourners are the group they were speaking to:

link for Sojourners


http://www.sojo.net /

link for Sojourners Magazine:


http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.home

Interview on Democracy Now with Rev. Jim Wallis (founder and leader of Sojourners) - link:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/26/1355204

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"The Rev. Tim Ahrens shared Wallis' dismay: "The faith of Jesus Christ has become such a violent and violating faith in the religious right," he contended. Ahrens is the founder of We Believe Ohio, a group of 300 clergy members dedicated to promoting social justice."

"Many Sojourner supporters didn't hesitate to call right-wingers "bible thumpers" and "fanatics," and they criticized the Bush administration for not helping the poor. They gave Obama thunderous applause when he proclaimed his support for separation of church and state and giving teenagers access to contraception. " link:
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/nation/14923089.htm

[Erika]

1. Right wing theocracy does not represent free will

Which was God's plan for us. Finally the real Christians are stepping up to the plate.

[don954]

2. I saw Escape from LA again a few nights ago on Sci-fi

spooky scenario that i could actually see happening now, and the 1st time i thought it i thought "no way"... but nowadays... :eyes:

[Douglas Carpenter]

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[Douglas Carpenter]

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[KKKarl is an idiot]

6. Jesus would be dismayed....

Did you not know that Jesus carried a gun & was a member of the NRA. He also believed in separation of races. He further believed that the government should only be run by the church.

[Douglas Carpenter]

10. yes it is mind boggling what image of Jesus them must have cooked up

in their imagination.

[LynneSin]

7. I'm a big fan of Sojourners - I need to renew my subscription

Christians, as a whole, are not the enemy - the people who call themselves 'Christians' but use the message of the bible in a distorted manner for their personal gain is the problem. I find it odd that fundamentalists tend to quote odd passages throughout the bible to promote their hate and yet rarely actually quote stuff that was attributed to Jesus (ie from the 4 gospels). I defy anyone to find in the gospels where Jesus claimed that homosexuality was a sin and I'll even ACCEPT distorted message context like what is done with Leviticus. Thing is, you can't - not there. Jesus also never advocated war nor did he advocate neglecting our poor and downtrodden. Remember it was Jesus who was willing to approach those with Leprosy, a disease so misaligned during biblical times that if you affected you were forced to live outside the city in a 'colony' where no one would approach you for fear of catching it themselves. You could also say that Leprosy was the "AIDs" of biblical time.

[Douglas Carpenter]

16. I wish people whether Christian or not would look at Sojourners Magazine

link for Sojourners Magazine:


http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.home


link for Sojourners


http://www.sojo.net /


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[Totally Committed]

8. I found this article on today's Home Page to be reassuring:

CBS: Religion Taking A Left Turn?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x221363

The article cited in the thread talks about Christians waking up to the reality that NONE of the Bush policies = Christ-like behavior. It speaks about how left-leaning Christians are more interested in caring for the poor, feeding the hungery, and nursing the ill (as Christ would have done) and are livid that the RW has turned Jesus into a Republican -- going so far as to call it "idolatry".

Great article, and a good thread! Check it out!

TC

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. thanks for that link...

I'm glad people are being more open minded. More important than building allies for the Democratic Party--is building allies to fight the ideology of extremist-militarism and unbridled extremist capitalism.

We don't just need them to beat the Republicans we need them in the fight for the soul of the Democratic Party..

link for Sojourners


http://www.sojo.net /

link for Sojourners Magazine:


http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.home

Interview on Democracy Now with Rev. Jim Wallis (founder and leader of Sojourners) - link:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/26/1355204

[Totally Committed]

11. Another really good OP and thread you might appreciate:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1602038

Lots of good discussions going on today about this subject. Makes me feel better about where American Christianity is headed.

TC

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. thanks for that link...

[cantstandbush]

12. The Obama haters here have really shown who they really are. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

13. some people are just being narrow minded

I understand how some people are nervous about what might appear like the mixing of religion and politics. In France for example that is a big taboo which is recognized across the entire political spectrum. But American society is a very religious society. It would be hard to imagine a black civil rights movement that excluded reference to religion. The Right-wing has capitalized on Religion to promote their doctrine of selfishness and unbridled militarism. If there is not response from the progressive side. The Right-wing ends up owning the entire discussion.

[Douglas Carpenter]

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[Douglas Carpenter]

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[1932]

18. Wallis's God's Politics is one of the most comprehensively well-argued

books on a political subject that I 've read in last couple years.

His subject is religion and poltics, and I don't know how anyone could not be convinced by the arguments in that book.

[Douglas Carpenter]

19. on Jim Wallis' book -- God's Politics

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0060558288.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_V51306847_.jpg

God's Politics : Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It (Plus)

link on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060834471/qid=1152630068/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-1846545-3744063?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

Interview on Democracy Now with Rev. Jim Wallis (founder and leader of Sojourners) - link:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/26/1355204


The conference that Sen. Obama, Sen. Clinton and Gov. Dean was speaking at was sponsored by the Sojourners movement.

Sojourners are actually fairly left-wing on foreign policy and economic issues; and moderate on social issues.


Sojourners are the group they were speaking to:

link for Sojourners


http://www.sojo.net /

link for Sojourners Magazine:


http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.home