"he is a liar on some of the gravest issues before the country. "

[Pirate Smile]

From Andrew Sullivan's blog:

In the last few years, I have gone from lionizing this president's courage and fortitude to being dismayed at his incompetence and now to being resigned to mistrusting every word he speaks. I have never hated him. But now I can see, at least, that he is a liar on some of the gravest issues before the country. He doesn't trust us with the truth. Some lies, to be sure, are inevitable - even necessary - in wartime. But when you're lying not to keep the enemy off-balance, but to maximize your own political fortunes at home, you forfeit the respect of people who would otherwise support you - and the important battle you have been tasked to wage.

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/07/suskind_again.html

He also apologizes to his readers for shoveling the Bush bullsh@# their way.

The second fascinating and completely convincing narrative is about the remarkable decision of Muammar Ghadafi to give up his entire WMD program. At the time, the president credited it to the psychological impact of the war to depose Saddam. He claimed it scared Ghadafi into compliance. Back in the days when I trusted president Bush's words, I echoed this analysis. It was a lie. I apologize to my readers for echoing it. It turns out Ghadafi had been entrapped by careful intelligence work long before the Iraq war was launched. The timing of the announcement was choreographed coincidence.

[Drum]

1. The line forms over there, AS nt

[Art_from_Ark]

2. "a liar on *some* of the gravest issues..."

Some? SOME?? Try "EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM".

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

3. Tell it to the relatives of the dead, asshat.

I am sure it will make them feel lots better.

[Skittles]

12. too little, WAY too late

I cannot respect people who took five f***ing YEARS to find out bush is an incompentent piece of SHIT who has no IDEA what he is doing

[bdamomma]

20. in 2000 we should have all been at Supreme Court screaming

to stop them for appointing this sick sick man. But all the "we should have's" or if "we done this" Bush is still here, unless we reach deep down in ourselves and realize we could bring change.

[OwnedByFerrets]

4. While I am glad at this revelation,

what the hell did chimpy do that made him think this? " lionizing this president's courage". Sheesh. I have never seen anything but a sniveling coward, sometimes hiding behind fake bravado.

[leesa]

5. No kidding. I guess Andrew Sullivan is a really bad judge of character.

[Pirate Smile]

6. Well, we always thought Bush was a piece of sh#$ because of his

history, his party, his slimy campaign tactics, etc.

We never felt the need to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. I've always viewed him with distrust, disgust, and skepticism.

I'm sure it is different to have to realize how terrible Bush is when Bush was initially someone Sullivan believed was a "good" guy, gave the benefit of the doubt to and whose critics Sullivan viewed with disdain and contempt.

[Sadie5]

7. Where has Sullivan been the past 5 years or so

Asleep in a cave somewhere? We knew Bush was a liar and a fraud when he stoled the 2000 election.

[Pirate Smile]

9. Nobody said he was a quick learner.

:D

I think he voted for Kerry in 2004 but he is still generally a RW'er - just one of the few that have taken off the blinders regarding Bush.

He is no friend of ours but it is interesting to see conservatives (whatever the hell that word means anymore) turn on each other.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

8. I guess this comes under the heading of

"better late than never". What a POS.

[Ringo84]

10. Good for Sullivan

He admits that he was wrong and that he's been given a good dose of common sense. He should be commended for that.
Ringo

[sendero]

14. I agree..

... I believe in redemption. I believe people can be wrong, and can see they were wrong and change. It takes a real man or woman to publicly admit they were full of shit.

I respect the guy.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. This guy was actually fooled by the chimp??

He seems reasonably intelligent in this piece. What's the deal?

[fat dad]

13. Doesn't matter to righty

Doesn't matter that they've been holding Sullivan dear for five years now as some sort of credible, admirable, intelligent (and did they mention he's a gay liberal?) voice of reason (in their twisted, whacked-out perspective) to defend Bush and the War in Iraq.

So long as someone agrees with whatever it is that they are being instructed to believe at the moment that person is a brilliant, thoughtful, fair and balanced patriot. The minute someone disagrees with what they believe (at that moment), that person gets brutally disowned and attacked.

But nothing they believe is ever constant or consistent. They say they hate big government and big government spending, but attack anyone who points out that Reagan and Bush were the two biggest spenders of all time. Say they hate leaks, but attack Joe Wilson. Say they hate a media bias, but love Fox News. Say they respect a self made man and hard work, but worship the silver spoon. All for states rights, but step on them every chance they get. Support the troops and admire military service, yet attacked Kerry and Cleland in support of chickenhawks.

I don't get it.

[Totally Committed]

15. The thing about Sullivan is...

He says this THIS WEEK, but next week, Bush will do another "amazing" thing, and he'll be right back on the bandwagon. I've gotten whiplash from Andrew before on this very subject. This isn't his first mea culpa about Bush, and although I hope this one is genuine, I doubt it will be his last. That having been said, I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Sullivan would be a great ally if he were to come over to our side, but he won't. He'll back the next "conservative" they run, I think. Just my opinion.

TC

[sendero]

16. I think...

.. it's unrealistic to expect him to abandon "conservatism". In fact, I think Dems all around are making a huge mistake in believing that just because people see the light about Bush that they are going to come around to our way of thinking.

Only some of them will.

[fat dad]

17. the somewhat sensible Republicans I know...

are already preparing to vote Republican again saying "I know Bush was terrible, but Bush wasn't really a conservative. He's spends like a liberal."

[sendero]

18. exactly..

... and as far as I can tell, there are legions of folks on DU who don't understand just how dirty words such as "Democrat" and "liberal" are to these people. They are NOT going to vote for our guy, ever, no matter what.

There is a very thin "center" that is up for grabs. The base, no matter what Bush* does, is not going to vote Dem, EVER, just as none of us are likely to ever vote Republican.

[Pirate Smile]

19. Right. We need to wrap all the Bush failures around the entire

Republican Party, not just Bush or the Bush Administration.

The entire Republican party supported Bush blindly, to the point of ignoring their constitutional duties in Congress.

We have not successfully made Republicanism and Bushism one and the same. If we don't, we have blown a huge opportunity.