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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:29 AM
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"Under Karl Rove's leadership, they're ratcheting up the risk" Clark
"Well, now the President's popularity's way down, and Republicans are worried about can they run effectively as members of the President's Party. And so, what are they doing? Under Karl Rove's leadership, they're ratcheting up the risk that America faces. You can see it in their rhetoric, and you can see it in their approach to the, to the news cycle and how they're dealing with the issues in the country. You can even see it in the actions of the government.

So, let's just take stock in just the last few days, what have we had? We've had the issue with the Miami bombers, who were going to blow things up in Chicago, even though they had no plan and no explosives. And a lot of people wondered whether that was real or not, but it sure made headlines and reminded us all that there's a terrorist threat out there.

And then the problem of North Korea and the North Korean missile launches, yes, North Korea's a problem that's why I've been saying, along with other Democrats for five years that we should be talking to North Korea. This administration's totally mishandled the North Korean issue, attacking the North Korean leader personally. President Bush called Kin Jong Il loathsome. This administration cut off the discussions and dialog between North and South Korea, and instead branded Korea as a member of the Axis of Evil. This administration, instead of having dialog with North Korea and trying to advance toward a solution to the challenge of North Korean problems, this administration stalled, putting off the North Korea problem so it could deal with the war it wanted to fight in Iraq, and then hiding behind the six-party talks and China rather than directly confront a regime which it doesn't want to deal with. Now the rhetoric's up on North Korea."


This is all taken directly from Wes Clark's latest Clarkcast: ClarkCast 016 - The Importance of 2006. I don't post a thread every time Clark releases a Clarkcast, but this time, this one, deserves all of our attention. Please go listen to it yourself, or read the transcript if you don't want to download the audio. Here is another key snippet (used with the permission of WesPAC):


"The point is we don't have to be afraid. What we have to have is a competent government that looks to the future with resolve, with purpose, with a understanding that it's not about rhetoric. It's about pragmatic problem-solving, and that's why I believe the 2006 mid-term elections are critical. It's our chance to vote and prove that America believes enough is enough. My focus over the next four months is to make sure we elect good Democrats to take office and to help take back the Congress.

But to do this, we have to understand what the Republican ploy is and then how to beat it.

You see, already it's clear to me that what the Republicans are doing is making the case that the country is in danger and that only Republicans can understand the threat and deal with it. It's a familiar argument. They've played it in one way or another in election after election after election.

They used it in 2002 with the drum beat to go into Iraq. And in that election, the Democrats in office, many of them believed that the best thing to do was to sort of go along with the President and just then try to sort out the domestic issues and draw a difference with the President on domestic issues, ceding the national security debate to the Republican Party and the President. It didn't work, and the Republicans took back control of the Senate and strengthened control in the house..."

Please go check it out. The theme is an important one for all of us to grapple with, regardless of where we each stand on how best to get out of Iraq for instance. You can leave your responses to Clark's pod cast directly at Clark's web site if you want. Wes Clark reads everything people write in response to the broadcasts he posts at Securing America and the Clark Community Network.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7408


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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:40 AM
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1. Direct link to Transcript only:
This link skips past where and how you can download the audio broadcast, and it skips past the discussion too. But if what you want is just a transcript of what Wes Clark said, here it is:

http://securingamerica.com/printready/clarkcast_071006.htm
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:14 PM
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2. Thanks Tom, I don't have time now but will read/watch it later and
get back to you...but I already know what I'll think. Clark always has something intelligent to say based on fact and not on wishful thinking or BS and lies.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:37 PM
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3. I hear Brother Clark! He's got their numbers, and hopefully,
Some will remember that he had their number in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005.

They are peddling fear 24/7, day in, day out. It's got to stop, and it's got to stop before the next election.....

Fuck 2008! It's about right now and the next day!

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:04 PM
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4. Clark tells it like it is.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:41 PM
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5. Oh yeah, 2006.
I have a very clear memory of the comments to posts in which Clark supporters reaffirmed their support of Clark after it was clear the '04 result was 4 more years of bushco. Many criticized us for looking to '08. We did not accept the criticism, since most felt we could work toward '06 and still support another run by Clark in '08. Most of us grasped the importance of '06 and let it go. Since then we have witnessed most every other candidate and non-candidate receive acclaim for '08 without similar admonition. This just makes me more proud of my support for Clark, since he clearly understands the importance of winning now and forcing change in America before things can be made worse. Wes gets a lot of criticism for not having run for a lesser office, but he clearly understands the National crisis and wants to begin change now, at every level.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:06 PM
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6. Clark understands that 2006 is critical...if we don't win back a
house, it's over.

I think even John Dean is seeing 2006 in this light....
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:41 AM
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7. 2006 is Critical.
It is our only chance for Americans to hold this government accountable before 2008, and the Republican dominated government must be held accountable for undermining critical and fundamental aspects of America's political heritage, our nation's current security, and our future economic well being.

It is a tragedy that Bush managed to be reinstalled as President in 2004. He remains as Commander in Chief and the whole world suffers for it. He appointed two Supreme Court Justices, and now many of the liberties that we grew up taking for granted are hanging by a very slender thread. We can't afford to put most of our apples in a 2008 basket, looking forward to electing a President that we can believe in. The damage is piling up daily, and it is severe. Power in Congress must be taken away from Republican Chairs and given to Democrats, at the very least in one of the two houses of Congress if we hope to restore any sense of Checks and Balances in America. This has to become our main focus for the next four months.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 06:47 AM
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8. Absolutely. 2006 Goes Well, Or 2008 Won't Matter
2008 "election"? Yeah, right. Not if 2006 goes south (It won't:) )
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:33 AM
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9. Before there was KO's interview with John Dean...
There was the Clarkcast.

Actually I'm not sure who got there first, but John Dean and Wes Clark are on the same page. It also reminds me of Wes channeling Rove's memo. He's on to them.

Remember when? General Clark said that the poll numbers mean that public is listening to Democrats; the numbers don't mean they are voting for Democrats. Without help from the MSM to help deprogram America (and I don't expect that to happen--in fact, I expect the opposite) we will need to do this ourselves. Clark can do this by his very presence which is why we are so lucky to have him speaking out.

ps. I think the other generals and West Point grads, will rebel if Rove goes after WKC. Not everyone of them, there will always be asshats like Shelton and Grange willing to protect bush, but most of them know exactly what's going on.
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 10:23 AM
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10. Wes Clark will make a good president
Hilary, Kerry, Dean. None of them can win an election in '08 in the presidential run. They have have for some reason put to many people against them, that say they will not vote for them. What we need is some one like Wes Clark. He is a military general. You do not get to that position by being run of the mill in the military. I am caught between Al Gore & Wes Clark for '08. Both would be great. It would be nice if everyone of the democratic hopefuls could unite behind one of these 2 men.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 10:37 AM
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11. " Wes Clark will make a good president" ((((WRONG)))
He would make a GREAT president! I really believe he would make the
"Best President Ever!" Especially after following "The Worst President Ever!" What a contrast! He could not only unite most of America but he would help unite the whole world and pull up world opinion of the US by the boot straps. We need Wes Clark...just like a cancer patient needs Chemo. He can literally be a life saver! He is a necessity!!!!!!!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:32 PM
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19. In light of the "authoritarian" 23% discussion, you would think that
Dems would get Clark out there instead of his struggling on his own...Hell, he's a great "authoritarian" leader that people could look up to. Only, he's a real leader not a budding fascist.

Seriously, Democrats don't get it. They've got minority leaders on all the committees, yet I don't hear a systematic peep out of any of them. That includes the environment. Gore is also doing it all alone--where are the Democratic leaders on the related committees, beating the issue to death?? If you don't open your mouths, you don't get any attention.

Why am I supposed to think that Harry Reid is a good Minority Leader if he can't organize all those committee minority leaders into some sort of message machine to rebut all the shit the GOP spews out?? It seems to me to be the easiest way to set up at least the beginnings of a Democratic "echo chamber."
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PeaceProgProsp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:01 PM
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12. Some friendly criticism:
I'm voting for Democrats this year not because I think Republicans have done badly (although they have definitely done badly). I am voting for Democrats because I think Democrats have better ideas. Even if Republicans did well, I'd still think Democrats could do better than Republicans.

I'm not sure how many Democrats or Republicans can be convinced to vote for Democrats just by listing the things Republicans did wrong (and saying "enough is enough"), but I don't think it's going to be enough to win an election and to shift the mood or political will in America to legislate progressively.

No matter how poorly the Republicans do, I think the only way we're going to be able to get people to vote for Democrats is by explaining what it is that Democrats believe (and the policies they will implement in order to express those beliefs) that will make a better world.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:27 PM
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13. Agreed that your criticism isn't unfriendly...
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 01:29 PM by Tom Rinaldo
But this isn't an either or type proposition. One thing todays dominant Republicans have learned how to do is attack their opposition AT the strong points of their opposition, trying to muddy any natural advantages their opposition might otherwise hold. And their opposition is almost always us (sometimes it's Republican moderates). After keeping us on the defensive they count on winning a majority of the votes by coasting to victory on their own strong suits, whatever that might be. Usually it is some combination of "moral value" wedge issues and the cliche perception that Republicans are strong enough to handle the bad guys out to hurt Americans.

This Clarkcast deals with just one aspect of Clark's political strategy, how to counter the attacks on us that he knows damn well are coming, and how to attack the Republicans on their own perceived strengths for a change. If you read more about Clark's overall positions, he clearly believes that Democrats have to be clear about what we stand for and believe in also.

Here is a description of Clark making that point a few years ago:

"Somebody once told me in business that when you're going to negotiate a business deal, you stake out (Clark slams the table) your position and stand on it! Don't go in there and ask what they want. Say, `Here's what I want!' (slams table again).

"You've got a Republican Party under Gingrich and Tom DeLay that says, `Here's what I want' (slams table again). "Then you've got the Democrats over here saying, `Yeah, ah, yeah, we could, some of what you say makes pretty good sense.

"The result is the American people don't see the full spectrum. Before the 2002 election there were a lot of Democratic politicians apparently who said, `I don't have the information. I can't battle with the president on the information. He's got the intelligence. What if there is a smoking gun in there? I can't fight the president in my congressional district.'

"What we've got to do is stake (slams table again) out our position. For instance on tax reform, stop slam saying slam you agree with simplification of the tax code. . . . We stand (slam) for progressive taxation. We're proud of it. If you make more, you should pay more, period!"

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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:02 PM
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21. ClarkCasts are a series
Have you listened to them? If you are looking for a totality positive outlook of what our nation can do with our future, I would suggest the one he did for the Fourth of July.

One of the things I've noticed about the General compared to the other politicians is how rarely he says "I." This is not a persuasive technique being used by a speech writer, since I've also noticed this in his answers during Q & A.

This latest ClarkCast is meant specifically to be an extemporaneous piece outlining what he believes Rove will be up to. As I noted in another post on this thread, this dovetails with John Dean's latest assessment of the extraordinary control being exercised by the current administration.

I really enjoyed it.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:29 PM
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14. My only problem with Clark is
he's not a great speaker like Bill Clinton is. I know that is a bit shallow but I fear it means a lot in a shallow world.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:50 PM
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15. Did you hear him bring down the House at the 2004 Dem Convention?
Or get multiple standing ovations at the Texas State Democratic Convention a short while ago? There's a video link to that somewhere but I don't have it handy. Sometimes he was erratic while campaigning in 04, but when he was on he was really on and he has gotten much better since then. Clark is amazing talking off the cuff, like Clinton that way. He wowed a lot of people at Yearly Kos doing that making extended detailed and passionate statements.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:00 PM
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16. Clark is a terrific speaker
There are all sorts of Democrats in Texas and his speech touched them all. 5000 clapping, cheering and foot stomping Democrats. 11 standing ovations. I was there. It was amazing.

Here you go:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JpMV2G3TajA&search=wesley%20clark

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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:32 PM
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22. I guess the Clarkcast
is not doing his speaking ability justice. The Texas speech was much better -- had me on my feet as well!

Don't get me wrong, Clark is my #1 choice because he's a TRUE LEADER and I love his message. He's spot on on every count and "Enough IS enough!" <--- we need to repeat that.

BTW, thanks for the video link, I'll be sure to share it with others.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:08 PM
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17. Actually, Clark is a great speaker.......
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 05:09 PM by FrenchieCat
Although the meme put out was that he was not. He was on Television (CNN) and is on Television (Fox) for a long time...and no one has ever complaint about his speaking abilities....so I suggest that this was some Corporate media "made up shit"....far as I'm concerned!

Does he hit the mark everytime? As often if more often than Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Bayh, Warner and others might.......so, no, he's not the "greatest" speaker there is....but he is mighty good, and getting better every second of every day.

If you judge for yourself, you may come to your own conclusion, which is always the wisest thing to do......because I have to think that you have not really heard him speak as much as heard others "talk" about hearing speak (meaning the Pundit circa '04.)

Watch these two videos and judge for yourself!
Texas Convention speech...
http://securingamerica.com/taxonomy/term/58 (go down to the 2nd entry)

and this off the cuff interview....
http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2006/6/9/144548/6073

But in the end is not so much what we say that counts as much as what we do! Its a package that is more substansive than just looks, speech or qualifications alone....it's a combination of many attributes that make up a candidate and it includes a certain charisma that must fit into the times.

Considering that Bush has been will have been in the White House for eight Years (yuk!) ...I'd have to disagree with you that a "great" speaker is what voters look for!
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:45 PM
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23. I'm smiling because
it's nice to see people go to bat for Clark.

I've never had a problem with "what" Clark says. I would just say I hope we see more of the fire Clark had in Texas. We need that to draw more support.

Thanks for the "off the cuff interview". Nice!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:14 PM
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18. "as great as Bill Clinton is" So?
I haven't yet seen a speaker as great as Bill Clinton is. Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:50 PM
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24. I agree -- Bill Clinton is a one of a kind speaker.
Thanks for setting me straight. :)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 12:22 AM
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25. Reckon, you are AOK with me
Thanks for being so good natured!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 06:52 PM
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20. Kick......
:kick:
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