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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:10 PM
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A Republican better than most...
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 01:27 PM by SlipperySlope
A link pointed me toward this speech by Ron Paul (R: Texas). I don't know what his position on all issues is, and I don't think he is anywhere near a Progressive, but he has his finger on a lot of the rage our county is feeling:

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr062906.htm

Some excerpts...
No matter how noble the motivations of political leaders are, when they achieve positions of power the power itself inevitably becomes their driving force. Government officials too often yield to the temptations and corrupting influences of power.

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Fear is generated to garner popular support for the proposed government action, even when some liberty has to be sacrificed. This leads to a society that is systemically driven toward fear-- fear that gives the monstrous government more and more authority and control over our lives and property.

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It is argued that without government surveillance of every American, even without search warrants, security cannot be achieved. The sacrifice of some liberty is required for security of our citizens, they claim.

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We recently witnessed how unfounded fear was generated concerning Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction to justify our first ever pre-emptive war. It is now universally known the fear was based on falsehoods. And yet the war goes on; the death and destruction continue.

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The anger over the Iraq war is multifaceted. Some are angry believing they were lied to in order to gain their support at the beginning. Others are angry that the forty billion dollars we spend every year on intelligence gathering failed to provide good information. Proponents of the war too often are unable to admit the truth. They become frustrated with the progress of the war and then turn on those wanting to change course, angrily denouncing them as unpatriotic and un-American.

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It seems bizarre that it’s so unthinkable to change course if the current policy is failing. Our leaders are like a physician who makes a wrong diagnosis and prescribes the wrong medicine, but because of his ego can’t tell the patient he made a mistake. Instead he hopes the patient will get better on his own. But instead of improving, the patient gets worse from the medication wrongly prescribed. This would be abhorrent behavior in medicine, but tragically it is commonplace in politics.

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The major obstacle to a sensible foreign policy is the fiction about what patriotism means. Today patriotism has come to mean blind support for the government and its policies. In earlier times patriotism meant having the willingness and courage to challenge government policies regardless of popular perceptions.



I only quoted about 5%, but the whole thing is a good read. I wish this guy had a bigger voice and a bigger pulpit.


(on edit: clarified I'm not saying he is a progressive)
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:15 PM
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1. ADA Action - Ron Paul Lifetime Voting Record - 20
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 01:17 PM by emulatorloo
http://www.adaction.org/ho00046.htm

versus, say for comparison

John Conyers - 89

(ADA is a liberal lobbying group)

http://www.adaction.org/index.htm

ON EDIT - I agree he has some good things to say in the speech you quoted.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:15 PM
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2. Ron Paul gives me warm fuzzies, despite not agreeing w/him 100%
he ran for prez as a Libertarian, and was the only non-Dem that ever got my vote

:toast:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:18 PM
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3. How does he win elections in Texas?? Very odd. n/t
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:23 PM
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5. because at heart, he's a right wing asswipe
Jeez, check out his votes. He's against everything, including lots and lots of things that any good progressive would not only be for, but be appalled that anyone could oppose.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:22 PM
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4. you ought to learn a bit more about Paul before you declare him "good"
he's a fervent opponent of a woman's right to choose and has sponsored legislation that would remove the issue of abortion from the jurisdiction of the federal courts.

He's also an opponent of gay rights, having supported legislation that would have banned gay couples in Washington DC from adopting a child.

His loony view of the limited role of the federal government has led him to oppposed the issuance of medals of honor commemorating Rosa Parks.

His ranking from the Americans for Democratic Action typically is around 40-50%. His ranking from the John Birch Society and the Eagle Forum typically is between 80% and 100%.

In other words, I wouldn't start erecting statues to the guy.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:26 PM
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6. I just called to cancel the statue contract...
If he could get more Republicans to think like him, then we'd be out of this stupid war all the sooner.

I never said the guy was a Progressive masquerading as a Republican, but I do think he has some opinions that we can share. I'd rather have an opposition made of of people like him then people like DeLay.


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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:11 PM
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9. "I'd rather have an opposition made of of people like him"
well-said!!! :yourock:
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niccolos_smile Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:30 PM
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7. Ron Paul is a libertarian in a Republican costume. n/t
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:57 PM
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8. I don't care if he is from Neptune
with blue and green ears. He is speaking out against the abuses of this Administration and that is a good thing. On other points we will surely disagree, on this we can find common ground.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:31 PM
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12. That is my point...
At this moment, I don't care whether he has a (D) or an (R) next to his name. If he is railing against the administration, we all stand to win.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:41 PM
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10. Would you actually vote for a republican? Republican ideology?
Look at ALL republican voting records...ALL, ALL have voted 99% of the time with Bush policy and the fascist agenda...look it up...They are republicans, that's what a republican means, it's their ideology...Even George Bush pretended to be a moderate "compassionate conservative" (almost a democrat) twice, it's an election year republicans will spend tons of money to convince they are different, they will say things even if they don't believe it...They are republicans, that's why they belong to that party, it's the agenda & philosophy they believe in and then they slip right back into republican form after the election.

Go ahead and look at any republican's voting record that's where the real truth lies...You think they just changed and became enlightened over night?

So a republican could actually convince you to vote for them?

Unbelievable to me.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:30 PM
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11. Do you have nothing but rage? Is a politician more than his party?
I never said he convinced me to vote for him, but you ask the rhetorical question "could a republican convince you to vote for them?"

Why the hell not? If a republican had a voting record that backed up their words, and their words said everything I wanted to hear, and they agreed with me on every issue, why wouldn't I vote for them?

If the democratic party drifted away from what I believe in, and the republican party converted to what I did believe in, why wouldn't I vote for one.

My loyalty is to my PRINCIPLES and IDEALS, not to any party.

As far as Ron Paul, the subject of this thread, I never said he was a progressive. I never said he was a man that liberal democrats should consider voting for, but I do think it is noteworthy to point out that he:

Voted AGAINST going to war with Iraq (while 81 "democrats" voted yes).
Voted AGAINST the patriot act (while 145 "democrats" voted yes).

I hope that your rage against the republicans hasn't hindered your ability to judge an individual politician, and to recognize that while you can disagree with most of what they say, that doesn't mean you need to be blind when you do agree with what they say.

*THIS MAN IS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ* - That is more than some Democrats. Before you paint him with "fascist pig" paint, I would at least listen to what he has to say, and consider how his words might be used to convince more of his party members to see things his way.

I never said vote for him, I never said change your party for him, but I did (and do) encourage reading what he has to say. Once we close our minds to the words of our opponents, we have sunk to their level.

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