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mojogeorgo Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:18 PM
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That thing Lieberman is doing? It's called extortion.
Originally posted at Howard Empowered People

I don't know how I missed this before, but something finally clicked for me this morning as I was reading DFA-Marin's letter to Barbara Boxer, pleading with her not to campaign for Joe Lieberman.

Right after Joe Lieberman announced his intention to run as an independent even if he loses the Democratic primary, we started to hear reports of which prominent Democrats declared they would support whichever candidate won the primary. Maybe it's because I was so preoccupied with another blog at the time, but somehow, when I heard those statements from people like Hillary Clinton and others, I was initially satisfied with their responses. But when I read the letter asking Barbara Boxer not to campaign for Lieberman, I realized that leading Democrats were only being asked who they would support *after* the primary. In light of Lieberman's not-so-veiled threat to be a spoiler should he lose the primary, no prominent Democrat reward that kind of behavior with an endorsement. They certainly shouldn't be campaigning for him.

Read this exchange between Maura Keaney and the senator from Connecticut.

"My dad was a very loyal Democrat until he died. You mentioned how Irish American Democrats are great supporters because they're not fair-weather friends, and I totally agree. So why are you being a fair-weather Democrat, saying you'll only respect the results of the Democratic primary if you win?"

All of a sudden I found myself with a bunch of microphones in my face. Joe looked slightly stunned, and then started in on his usual talking points about how he wants even more Democrats to have a chance to vote for him in November and that not all Democrats know that they have to come out for a "hot day in August".

I said, "Don't you think Connecticut Democrats are smart enough to know on what day to vote?"

He said, "I hope so" and then started to wave me off.

I forget exactly what words I said after that (there is video and audio out there somewhere) but I said something like, "Look, if you win the Democratic primary, I'll be supporting you and I wish you would agree to support the winner, too" and he said, "Well, let's make sure I win in August, then!" and waved me away..."


Time and time again, Joe Lieberman has been asked why he will not support the nominee, and he has not given a satisfactory answer. Would people have accepted this from Howard Dean when he lost to Kerry in the primaries? Even Paul Hackett, who has taken some criticism for being a sore loser and not endorsing Sherrod Brown right away, has *always* said he would vote for the guy.

Lieberman has been whining about Lamont trying to impose a "litmus test" over his vote on Iraq. That, as many have already said, is a gross oversimplification of what this election is about. But you know what *should* be a Democratic litmus test? Agreeing to abide by the results of the primary.

Let's go back to that exchange between Lieberman and Maura. "Well, let's make sure I win in August, then!"

Lieberman has consistently dodged questions about how he can consider himself a loyal Democrat if he's already got a backup plan to run *against* the Democratic nominee, should that turn out not to be him. Instead, he says things like, "Well, let's make sure I win in August".

There's a word for what Joe Lieberman's doing. It's called extortion. And no Democrat should be rewarding that sort of behavior by endorsing or campaigning for Lieberman in the primary.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:26 PM
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1. Rove
All this sounding more and more like it has Rove's handprints on it. It's a page out of the Bush/Rove doctrine.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:33 PM
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2. that's exactly what I think...this is classic ROVE
that's why I think Lieberman is sucking up to bush, he's gettting free campaign advice
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:14 PM
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8. I don't think Rove is that clever. n/t
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:24 PM
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24. ROVE!!!!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:34 PM
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3. I really hate to post this pic twice in one night....
not really...





wait - is that jl or john mccain?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:39 PM
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5. I'm Posting This One Again Then

The Connecticut Boll Weevil
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:42 PM
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6. OMFG!
speechless...

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:54 AM
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14. I Did That Photoshop Myself
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:04 AM
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17. Nice work. nt.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:10 PM
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11. Deleted message
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 09:53 AM
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21. Damnit!
Now my eyes are bleeding! That photo ought to be banned in public--what will the children think?!

:rofl:

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:01 AM
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16. Well dammit, Andy, if you're gonna do it, then...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:10 PM
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7. Thanks for posting my photoshop job :)
I like it when my artwork is repurposed by others :)

:evilgrin:

You can see more of it at http://bushspeaks.com :)



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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:15 PM
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9. had no idea - wait - wonkette alludes to a video - look -
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 08:25 PM by Skip Intro
no effort to repurpose anything

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/funny-pictures/bush-kissing-lieberman-video-032091.php

when I click on the link - I get nothing, but what do you make of the supposed vid-still there:

Bush Kissing Lieberman Video
http://www.wonkette.com/politics/funny-pictures/bush-kissing-lieberman-video-032091.php

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:38 PM
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12. Oh, he kissed Lieberman for sure, but MY pic is a photoshop job
I posted about my pic, not the ones on the site you linked to. It's all the same, really. We all know Joe was kissed by George - there just wasn't a good image of it, so I made one that's a photoshop job that still tells the truth. Its original purpose was as a cartoon for my site, but now it's being used by Lamont and others to remind the public of Joe's love affair with George. :)



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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:34 PM
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4. I also think he is Antisemitic
By stating that all Jews should vote for him he is treating them, us, as a block not individuals with the constitutional right to vote as conscious leads. I wrote this message to Lieberman and a message to Boxer that I was disturbed at a report that she would campaign for Lieberman in the primaries.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:24 PM
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10. LIEberman's Answer:...
"Time and time again, Joe Lieberman has been asked why he will not support the nominee, and he has not given a satisfactory answer."

Lieberman has said "Let me give you two reasons. The first is I am very loyal
to the Democratic Party, but I have a loyalty higher than that to my
party
. That is to my state and my country. And I feel so deeply that I
can do a better job for my state and my country than either the
Democratic or Republican opponents against me
that I’m prepared, if
necessary, to take my fight to November as a petitioning Democratic
candidate
."

Of course, he couldn't be a petitioning "Democratic" candidate, so he formed his own "Party"... "Connecticut for Lieberman. About his announcement. This guy doesn't deserve to be elected by Democrats.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:54 AM
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13. Which Country, Joe?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 08:24 AM
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19. the HUBRIS of assuming that only he can best serve the country...
when he is in fact enabling the closest thing to a dictator this country has yet seen.

or is it hypocrisy? well, by jingy, no reason it can't be BOTH hubris and hypocrisy, throw in a little narcissism, self-aggrandizement and downright quislingesque and maybe were gettin close to accurate.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:03 AM
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15. He's guilty of having a massive ego.
nothing more.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 08:27 AM
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20. oh, methinks quite a BIT more he's guilty of
he's a quisling, enabling Bush to continue his hegemony and destruction of civil rights, along with supporting an illegal war, and was part of the gang of 14 that essentially hamstrung any democratic opposition to Roberts and Alito.
Further, he's spent more time lauding Bush and slashing attacks against fellow democrats than nearly anyone except Zell Miller.


and you think he's ONLY guilty of having an ego? If only.....
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 10:13 AM
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22. No doubt, but I was answering the extortion charges.
If we seek to jail people for their political beliefs, we are no better than they are.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 10:16 AM
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23. oops, sorry, I misunderstood your post.
I thought you meant conversationally "guilty" rather than legally guilty.

mea culpa
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:32 AM
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18. He's a...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:27 PM
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25. I dont trust people who trust Bush. n/t
n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:25 PM
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26. it's called democracy
he's free to run for office

if more people vote for him than anyone else, he wins

that's called democracy


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ps - this is not an endorsement
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:45 PM
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27. Well, obviously, HE is the one
who doesn't trust democracy. If he did, he wouldn't refuse to support the primary winner if it's not him, and he wouldn't take out an "insurance policy" in case he doesn't win the primary. He would respect the fact that, if Lamont wins the primary, the people have spoken and voted their choice. HE is the one who needs a lesson in democracy. T

hen again, he's enabling the most authoritarian, anti-democratic "leader" this nation has ever had the misfortune to sit in the WH, so maybe we shouldn't be too surprised.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 06:12 PM
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29. neither he or anyone else is obligated to respect their party's
decision on who runs for office.


If he can run as a 3rd party candidate and win, and polls suggest he can, what is wrong with that?

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The voters in a primary are not "the people". It's the general election that determines the winner.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 12:14 AM
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30. It proves, once and for all, he's no Democrat. He's for HIMSELF.
First and foremost.

I hope Connecticut voters take big notice of that and kick his repuke-ass-kissing fuckface out of congress for good!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:47 PM
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28. "Extortion" is exactly what makes Lieberman a good Republican.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 01:20 AM
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31. It's nice to know what he thinks of voters
This is one of the most insulting things I've ever read coming from an elected official.

"not all Democrats know that they have to come out for a "hot day in August"."

When they disregard the possibility that their voters may have some intellect, it is no wonder they would not respect the results of a primary.
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