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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:31 PM
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Hillary Clinton and the Hostile Takeover of the Health Care Debate
Hillary Clinton and the Hostile Takeover of the Health Care Debate
by davidsirota
Wed Jul 12, 2006
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/12/71925/7799


Want to know why Washington Democrats have stopped focusing on and talking about the GOP's culture of corruption? Just read this story in today's New York Times about New York Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) and you won't be so shocked at the silence anymore.

The piece details how "Clinton is receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions" from the health care industry. "Nationwide, she is the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry, trailing only Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a member of the Republican leadership," the Times notes. The piece goes on to detail how industry executives now publicly praise Clinton for her willingness to back off pushing for major health care reform as she did back in the early 1990s.

The health care industry, of course, has a lot of money to spread around to politicians who have their hand out. This is the industry that the Wall Street Journal this week reported "was the biggest spender for the seventh year in a row, with more than $356 million in 2005." So the fact that health insurance and pharmaceutical executives are throwing cash at Clinton is no surprise.

But what is surprising is how out in the open the pay-to-play culture is, and the openness of that culture explains why Democrats have stopped talking about corruption - it's because many of their high-profile incumbents are increasingly complicit. To give you an idea of how out in the open this really is, check out this one nonchalant mention, buried in the story as if it's unimportant:

"Frederick H. Graefe, a health care lawyer and lobbyist in Washington for more than 20 years, said, 'People in many industries, including health care, are contributing to Senator Clinton today because they fully expect she will be the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008.' 'If the usual rules apply,' Mr. Graefe said, early donors will 'get a seat at the table when health care and other issues are discussed.'"


Of course, this money seems to already be buying something, even though the presidential contest hasn't started. As I note in my book Hostile Takeover, money in Washington doesn't just buy votes or policies, it buys language and the overall political debate. We can see that right in this article, as the Times notes Clinton recently gave a speech to a health industry group where she essentially apologized for pushing systemic health care reform. "We tried to do too much too fast 12 years ago," she said, bowing down to the industry that is funneling her so much cash.

What I find particulary incredible is Clinton's apparent tone deafness. Health care regularly ranks as a top concern in polls. Similarly, as my book details, polls show that a majority of Americans support a universal, government guaranteed, government sponsored health care system, even if that requires tax increases. In fact, as I pointed out in the Washington Post, a recent Pew poll showed that even half the hard-core Republican base supports such a position.

Thus, Hillary Clinton is in a terrific position to make the powerful point that she was right to have tried to seriously address the issue in the early 1990s, she makes no apologies for it, and she will redouble her efforts as a Senator and as president (if she runs).

Such a stand would transcend the health care issue and help her build up credibility on the intangible character issue. It would show that she has courage, because she would be making no apologies for an effort that she has been unfairly attacked for throughout the years.

Instead, she seems so caught up in Washington's pay-to-play culture and so unconcerned with the hostile takeover of our government by Big Money interests that she is actually going out and apologizing for her previous courage. Not only is that unfortunate policy-wise, but it is a huge political mistake, because all it does is reinforce the image of Democrats having their thumb in the wind, and their hand out for the next big campaign contribution.

UPDATE: In case any of you think I am just an obsessive Hillary basher, think again. I have repeatedly praised her when she has been true to the progressive movement (here and here are just two examples). This is not a personal attack on Sen. Clinton - it is legitimately questioning her behavior as it relates to key public policies. If we as a progressive movement don't ask these questions of BOTH parties, then we will never get the kinds of policies we want when our politicians are in power.

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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:49 PM
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1. well..this doesn't surprise me at all and.......
(it may be off the subject of health care but) I believe the same exact buyouts of Democratic Senators and Congressman is happening with big oil companies ..Yes these oil companies are filling their pockets,otherwise these Democrats would be screaming about the high energy costs..It just makes sense..We dont have representatives anymore because corporations own them...And dont expect a bill that supports net neutrality because the telecoms have already bought and paid for the legislation they want.....
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:14 PM
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2. OH ...
MAN ... I am not a big Hillary person, but I have supported her ... This is a BIG issue for me ... Just after energy independence comes the need for univeral health care, and I sort of assumed she would make it happen ...

This is a BIG blow for her to me ...
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:35 PM
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3. Sirota's fresh take on everything leaves me breathless
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 02:35 PM by iconoclastNYC
When you just think thru the issues with a mind that has not been programmed by corporate culture you just can't help but understand that our party has been hijaacked by the corporate mindset, if not outright by corporations themselves.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:13 PM
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8. Oh say it and say it again!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:39 PM
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4. Now I'm less of a Hilary fan. Universal health care is my top priority.
Very disappointing.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:20 PM
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9. Ditto...
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:58 PM
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11. Look at her Primary opponent's website
Jonathan Tasini wrote a thing on his blog today about Hilary's opposition to true universal healthcare.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:45 PM
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5. people really need to think for themselves
Considering blogger opinions as gospel is lazy thinking. Pretty soon people are going to forget how to assimilate information on their own.

What I will say in Hillary's defense is that she and Bill tried to do something about the shameful paucity of health care access in this country. That's admirable in my book.

Until Big Money is eliminated across the board from campaigns, it's short-sighted to expect Democrats to take none. Until we are prepared to shoulder the burden of financing campaigns ourselves, we have to be a teensy bit more reasonable about campaign finance and not assume in a knee-jerk reaction that taking campaign dollars from corporations automatically makes a politician their bitch.

Flame away. I won't vote for Hillary in the primary, but somebody has to stand up for reason and fairness here at DU.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:00 PM
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6. I am no Hillary basher ...
I don't love her, but I like her ... I think she is sharp as a tack, and don't see that as a negative ...

But, this tracks for me ... I have been VERY attuned to the power of big oil over this country through contributions to the republican party ... They have been bought and paid for, over 100 million in campaign contributions to republicans since 2000 ...

This situation reads JUST like that with the health care thing ... I get that you need money to get there and all, BUT ... There has to be a line ... Jesus, second to RICK SANTORUM ... THAT is all you need to know ...

Again, I am no Hillary basher, but this is REAL problem with her and me ...
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:07 PM
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7. Needs seriously kicked and recommended.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:29 PM
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10. Ted Kennedy...toady of the Health Care industry!!!!
Ted Kennedy has taken money from

Abbott Labs
Alcon Labs
Allergan Inc
Baxter Healthcare
Genentech

Among many others

Also Numerous Insurance companies etc

No one seems to be questioning Ted Kennedy's commitment to health care reform. Many other members of Congress, including darlings DU have taken contributions from the same people.

This is simply a knee jerk reaction of bloggers looking for something to bash Hillary about.


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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:59 PM
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12. Her healthcare plan is idiotic
The Democrats already have a good healthcare plan: single-payer healthcare.

The clintons don't support it because they're in the hands of the Industry, as is Ted Kennedy to a lesser extent.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), the 62 members of the House of Representatives, already have supported true universal healthcare, and NOT ONE MEMBER of the Senate has stood with them on this.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 04:05 PM
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13. It can't pass..
Explain to many exactly how a Universal Health care plan is going to pass a congress that is at least partially controlled by Republicans?

We couldn't get it through a Congress controlled by Democrats.

And to say that Ted Kennedy, a life long champion for health care reform is a corporate stooge is just silly...
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:11 PM
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14. Well I think we see the answer don't we with a Republican-controlled Congr
Maybe it's time to put our votes where are mouths are.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 06:58 PM
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17. So our positions on policy should be dictated by what can get
passed in a GOP controlled Congress?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 08:47 AM
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19. My position is...
I would love nothing better than Universal Health Care...however, I will not pass up incremental improvement if that is what is possible in the current climate. I am not going to stubbornly hold out for the whole thing, that cannot possibly happen right now or in the near future, and pass up measures which would help now that can get passed.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:50 PM
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16. Ted Kennedy doesn't have (opaque) plans to run for president.
Hillary Clinton does.

Big difference.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:43 PM
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15. Just ONE MORE Reason... I Say NO To Hillary... If Lieberman's
wife is going to get hit over the head for going back to consulting with Health Care Consultants, Hillary should NOT be one to BENEFIT from all that MOOLAH!!

Go, Johnny, Go!
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 06:59 PM
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18. So it's not okay to take money from interest groups that wish to give it?
Until/unless we have public financing we're not going to change anything.

Hilary Clinton championed health care reform - why it's such a mystery that those in the "health care industry" would wish to contribute to her campaign is beyond me.

Further, the reason we're not seeing much about the "culture of corruption" is because a Democrat just got set up and busted for taking bribes and, the msm is still chattling on about it.
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