Ras poll: Angelides (D) 46%, Schwarzenegger (R) 44%

[skipos]

Our first election poll here since California's June 6 primaries shows the Democratic gubernatorial nominee, Phil Angelides, with a narrow lead of 46% to 44% over the incumbent.

Our April survey had shown Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger opening up a substantial lead over the Democratic contenders, but by May the race had tightened once again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/July%202006/caGovernor.htm

[GodlessBiker]

1. Woohoo! You go, Phil!

[Totally Committed]

2. What's the MOE?

That's good news unless the sample is so small the MOE is high.

I can't believe Ah-nuld is even CLOSE after his disastrous governance out there in Culeefoneeya!

TC

[God Almighty]

3. I think the odds are in Arnold's favor but its possible for Phil to win

I've seen one good ad for Phil. The trouble is that, as I pointed out repeatedly, all Arnold needed to do was to rerun Steve's ads. Though I don't like Arnold, he has had the courage to take strong positions and this gives everyone the impression he has strength of character. Phil is afraid to take any important positions. I've spoken with him and I keep getting "maybe"s on issues anyone but a coward would be brave enough to take a stand. We would have had a better shot with any of the other candidates. I encourage everyone here to talk to Phil about developing a backbone so that he's got a shot at winning.

[Totally Committed]

4. Coming from God Almighty, that's one hell of a post!

Welcome to DU! :rofl:

TC

On Edit: Angelides has no strong opinions because... he's DLC. I really think being DLC means never having to say anything important, except if it's about corporations or war.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251579&kaid=104&subid=210

[skipos]

8. Then why did DU generally favor Angelides? nt

[Totally Committed]

9. Evidently because he has a "D" after his name?

Just a guess, but that seems to be a prevailing reason to vote for someone around here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2721235

TC

[skipos]

12. Westly had a "D" after his name too.

So your explanation makes no sense.

[PeaceProgProsp]

14. Furthermore, Westly is on that same DLC 100 to watch list.

[Totally Committed]

16. Skipsos, dude...

I'm just a wild-ass old hippie who has absolutely NO taste for the DLC. In that way, my answer makes a world of sense. Call me crazy, I just hate to see Democrats mimic-ing the Fascists in the other Party.

But, if the DLC-ers float your boat, then they do. I'm beginning to think there's not much I can do to save you from yourselves where they are concerned, anyway.

TC

[PeaceProgProsp]

18. Yet, didn't I see you complaining Westly didn't get nominated?

And Westly is on the same list that you think indicts Angelides.

What do you think is so DLC about Angelides, yet not about Westly?

[Totally Committed]

26. Can you point me to that post?

I don't remember ever posting about Westly, but since it made such an impression on you, maybe you could point me to it. I admit that early Alzheimer's is a possibility... LOL! I just don't remember it.

Thanks!

TC

[PeaceProgProsp]

39. I mixed you up with Clarkie1

[AJH032]

24. Hey TC

Just thought I'd point out that I don't think I've ever read a post of yours that didn't contain the acronym "DLC" somewhere in it. For someone who has absolutely no taste for the DLC, you sure talk about them a lot (I think you overrestimate their influence).

[Totally Committed]

28. I'm terrified of them taking over this Party

like Gingrich's minions took over the Republican Party. No one saw them coming, either. And the Christian Right came with them. I barely recognize this country anymore, and think if we are ever going to get it back to near where it was, we need some truly righteous Democrats -- with courage, conscience, and gravitas elected. That will never happen if the DLC and their corporate agenda sweeps through our Party.

They prey on my consciousness like some nightmares stalk some while they are asleep. What else can I say? So, sorry if the repetition gets to you, but I am truly sincere in my trepidation about this cult. I sincerely believe that if the "Goldwater Republicans", whose demise John Dean's new book bemoans, had taken Reagan and Gingrich's moves toward the right more seriously, they might not be way in the minority at the moment, and this country might not be in the shape it is in now.

That's all.

TC

[CAcyclist]

42. Could you give us specific examples of Angelides

ever catering to corporations and the wealthy?

[dionysus]

29. maybe... just maybe dagnabbit... TC is a thinking person

who sees the DLC traitorous DOUCHEBAGS and the subverted LOSERS that they are...

just maybe... ;)

and they have a LOT of influence, thank you

[Totally Committed]

33. Thanks, dionysus!

I, and my ability to think and reason, appreciate the vote of confidence!

:yourock:

TC

[CAcyclist]

22. What about this, then?

Look what he wants to do for our servicemembers. Don't you think this is significant? I know my best friend's husband, who is in the National guard, could really use this kind of help because they are really hurting from him having to be away so long.

http://www.angelides.com/media/speeches/2006_0622_amerlegion.html

If I am privileged enough to become the Governor, I will push for the adoption of this five-point initiative.

First, I'll waive all fees at California's colleges and universities for National Guard members, so they can build their own futures after fighting for ours. California is the only state in the union that doesn't provide college help to its Guard members, and I will change that.

Second, it is just plain wrong that so many of our Guard members and their families have no health insurance. I'll make sure all California Guard members and their families have full health coverage, whether or not they're on active duty, and that they have the life insurance they deserve. That's the way to keep our Guardsmen and women in fighting shape, and it's the right thing to do for their loved ones.

Third, I'll recognize the strain that active duty places on family life, by allowing up to 12 weeks of family leave for spouses -- to help with child care, or care for an aging parent -- when a Guard member is activated.

Fourth, I'll make more Military Family Relief funds available, because active service should not mean financial hardship for struggling Guard families.

And fifth, I'll give tax credits to small businesses that pay their National Guard employees while they're on active duty, to encourage all employers, large and small, to do what's right for the families left behind.

[PeaceProgProsp]

11. Eliot Spitzer was also on DLC 100 to Watch '03 list, and I'd be

comfortable voting for him.

However, Steve Westly is on that list, and he IS DLC, if you ask me.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=104&subid=210&contentid=251581

[CAcyclist]

21. No, Angelides absolutely is NOT DLC!

The DLC added a bunch of names on their own without approval from individuals - this link means nothing - No DLC democrat would advocate raising taxes on the rich and corporations in order to provide services for the poor. But this is exactly what Angelides is proposing.

Check some more of what Angelides has to say - from 2004:

http://www.angelides.com/media/speeches/2004_0114_cdpconvention.html

Some star-struck Democrats seem to believe that the real lesson of Governor Schwarzenegger's election is that Democrats should behave more like Republicans. They say that we should put aside our principles and bow down to a governing philosophy that protects the wealthy, shortchanges investments in our future, and saddles the next generation with elephantine levels of debt.

Others continue to see the recall as a right-wing conspiracy directed from Karl Rove's war room. They say that Democrats are failing because we do not treat politics as a bloodsport. A game of matching the Republicans tactic for tactic, threat for threat, stolen election for stolen election.

Now, I do not discount the Republicans' cold-blooded instinct for grabbing power. But if the events of the last year have any lesson to teach, it is that we must proudly stand up for our values.

Yes, this year is different. It is a time to take stock of what we stand for and what we are willing to fight for.

Make no mistake about it, the people of California did not reject the values of our party in October. The recall prevailed because the voters questioned the sincerity of our convictions and our commitment to fight for their families and their future.

Today, we face a clear choice. We can either stand by or we can stand up.

Standing up for what you believe in is more difficult than it sounds. The election of an attractive, seemingly popular, Hollywood star has already sent some Democrats scurrying for cover, bending to the politics of the moment rather than doing what is right for California.

Fellow Democrats, that is not what I'm going to do! What I'm going to do is stand up for our beliefs. The belief in an economy-and society-that includes everybody, not just the privileged few.

[AJH032]

25. No DLC Dem?

"The DLC added a bunch of names on their own without approval from individuals - this link means nothing - No DLC democrat would advocate raising taxes on the rich and corporations in order to provide services for the poor. But this is exactly what Angelides is proposing."

Bill Clinton, of the DLC, raised both the top tax rate and corporate tax rate in 1993.

[CAcyclist]

41. Whoops, you are correct

However I don't recall him compaigning on that theme - ie raising taxes - and Phil isn't shy about doing so.

[blm]

6. The difference is that Californians are accustomed to Angelides' name on

the ballot and comfortable voting for him. He has always proven to be a dedicated and competent administrator and he has a level of trust built up over years. Even if Californians don't know him well on any personal level, they'll still associate him with competent stewardship.

[CAcyclist]

20. You clearly don't know what you are talking about

From the Satte convention Speech: http://www.angelides.com/media/speeches/2006_0429_cdp.html

You know me; you know my record. And you know I will never stand down when Democratic values are on the line.

Back in the early 90's, when California was still a red state -- when the party we loved was broke and broken, when many thought my new job as State Party Chair was a first-class seat on the Titanic, I stood and fought. We organized up and down this state. And in 1992, we sent Bill Clinton to the White House and elected two women Senators for the first time in United States history.

When I took over as State Treasurer and saw all the special interests with their hands in the till, I stood and fought. I got this state to dump its tobacco stocks, and I cracked down on the Wall Street insiders and Enron-style fraud that was ransacking America's retirement savings.

When I saw that our state's massive investment power could be a force for good, I stood and fought. Now we're investing in alternative energy, to stop global warming; and in jobs and housing in our neglected communities, to give everyone a chance at the California dream.

And when Arnold Schwarzenegger started whacking at education and health care like some kind of budgetary piñata - I didn't stick a finger in the wind. I didn't weigh the politics of taking him on. I said: Arnold Schwarzenegger has to be stopped, and I'm running for Governor of California.

[AndyTiedye]

5. It Was A Really Bloody Primary

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

7. on a friggin' rasmussen...amazing.

[PeaceProgProsp]

10. Which is why Arnold was advertising so much last month.

I wondered what they learned from that experiment? Did they close the gap? Did they discover that Westly's anti-tax attack wasn't going to work for Arnold either?

The June numbers will be the interesting numbers.

If, after so much spending, Arnold didn't go up by more than 4%, I'd say Arnold is in trouble.

[rucky]

13. Too close for comfort. n/t

[rocktivity]

15. "WHERE'S OUR SIX BILLION DOLLARS, ARNIE?"

That's all Angeledes has to ask him. No matter what the CA budget surplus is, it should be SIX BILLION dollars bigger, but it isn't because he torpedoed the Enron settlement.

:headbang:
rocknation

[thatsrightimirish]

17. wasn't rasmussen

the most accurate in the democratic primary?

[CAcyclist]

19. Aha

Hopefully, the Chronicle will yet again be on the losing side because it's clear from their "news" articles that they favor Arnold.

[beltanefauve]

32. The SF Chronicle

and the Houston Chronicle are one and the same! So much for the "liberal" media.

[Cha]

23. So all those polls

we had with swartzen ahead were before the June 6th primary?

Boy, what a bunch of sad threads those were..PILING on Phil Angelides..the Dem Candidate :patriot:

[thatsrightimirish]

27. His ads need to be funny!

Kind of like ned Lamont's. He needs to be humanized

[Awsi Dooger]

30. Great number but strange

How can an incumbent have a 51% approval rating yet his base number in the poll is 44%? I realize it's a blue state but I'd feel much better about the finding if the approval rating fell in line.

Does anyone has a Rasmussen premium account and access to the crosstabs? I'd like to see the sample broken down.

[EMAN51]

31. My Republican brother-in-law is voting for Angelides

He is a police detective in a LA suburban city. We have never agreed on politics. He told me not to drive in his town with my DU bumper sticker or I might get pulled over for some "infraction". Anyway, at a family gathering a few weeks back, he told me that Arnold was done because he took on the teachers, nurses, firefighters and police officers in his silly special election. He said he would vote for Angelides. Word to Arnold. Don't piss off the government employee unions!

[cyclezealot]

34. We all know Arnie's steroid use has made a moron of him.

I sure the heck hope he will not get away without being forced into a real debate with Angelides. He got out of debating in the 03 fiasco. Finally, he debated when he controlled the format.
If he has to debate in a real debate format , he will be toast.

[gasperc]

35. ha, ha and how many millions has he spent???

people have been whining that haven't been seeing Phil respond, hold your horses, we're going through the same shit here in MI, Devos has spent $9.1 million dollars, I hope he spends $9million more and bancrupts himself, he'll be a loser and bancrupt

[cyclezealot]

36. there is so much corrupt about DeVos

if Democrats can't corner him, we all might as well give up.

[skipos]

37. The problem is that

people in MI who KNOW DeVos don't support him. He isn't polling well in his home area of Grand Rapids for a reason. People who don't know anything about him, and don't take the 5 minutes to look into who he is and what he is about, buy the BS from his multimillion dollar ad campaign.

How many millions of people voted for Bush because he was "tough on terror" even though anyone thoughtful person could tell his policies were creating more terrorists? Even though Bush admitted he didn't care about catching Osama anymore?

One of the biggest obstacles in getting Democrats elected is the uninformed voter.

[cyclezealot]

38. the uniformed voter

all those who get their news from the tv wasteland.

[gasperc]

40. bingo

we'll fend off Devos, it won't be easy but we'll get it done

[cyclezealot]

43. anyone see the Nation two weeks ago.

THeir entertainment media special. Had a centerfold mapping out who owns the media outlets.. A must read.

[NicRic]

44. If arnold wins ...

It will make it official that California has become so hollywood ,that even its politicians must be actors ,bad ones included ! The idea that after seeing what a unimagitive mind and no idea person can actually still hold onto support becasue he is a action hero in movies ,is absurd .Iam a California resident and have been since I was 15 years old. I always wondered how a "Liberial state" could always be electing repuk Gov's ,from first actor turned politician regan ,who went on to be on my list of worst Presidents ,to a barley english speaking actor. I actually liked a couple of his action movies for entertainment reasons ,however I dont want him controlling the education of my kids .A true Ca. Gov would come out strongly against this war in Iraq ,when the billions being wasted on it would have rebuilt the schools in this state and accross the country ! As far as bad acting goes apprently Arnold has been giving them to bush with bushes little life is a bowl of cherries speech ,in which he tried to convince Americans how great everything is and going exactly the way he planned it .Iam totally fed up with what has taken place in our country since we have let this group of multi nationial puppets take control ,we pay the taxes ,only to see them do the stupidest things with our $ God help us all !