what's the deal with rat-shot? Enron vice chairman J. Clifford Baxter

[donsu]

was murdered with it

http://news.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/07/14/are-enron-bankers-and-witnesses-being-murdered/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com%2F%3Fid%3D13193&frame=true

(can't be easily traced back to a gun)

[C_U_L8R]

1. Cheney !!!!!

dead eye dick been shootin' again ???

[yellowcanine]

4. No "rat shot" refers to the type of round, not the shooter.

[Dinger]

2. Kick

[Botany]

3. the bush crime family is cleaning up some "stuff"

[havocmom]

5. And his hands weren't bagged so they could test for traces

No autopsy although one was required by law or something like that? Blood OUTSIDE the car? Poorly managed crime scene? More like TOTALLY mis-manged crime scene?

Most people would use a bullet to kill themselves.

Rat shot... sounds like a message to others who might be considering testifying to Congress.

When the anti-tin-foil obsessives ask 'how could cover-ups be maintained?' send them to the interesting death of Cliff Baxter.

[ladjf]

6. Yes. And from the spread of the shot, it was concluded that the

pellets were fired from about four feet distance. Further, his face has glass and asphalt fragments consistent with the street where he was found dead in his car.(This information was in the police report.)

Baxter had just returned from a week of sailing in the Caribbean. He had enthusiastically told his family that he wanted to go into the education field. There was not a hint of despondency in his manner.

[TomInTib]

7. Rat shot?

We used to wear goggles and have "rat shot wars".

Was he shot in the eye? That's the only way I can see rat shot killing anyone.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

8. It was not ratshot.

I have read the raw coroner's reports and one thing jumped out at me: the coroner's reports were massaged to turn the investigation away from foul play.

Glaring in the reports were references to "blue teflon" and "100-120 shot pieces" being found in the wound channel. Now, in another life, I shot pistols(for sport) and reloaded ammunition. I also read a lot about reloading and rounds. I was a student as well as a practitioner.

The blue teflon is an indicator that a very specific frangible round was used in the death of Cliff Baxter. A frangible round is one that is designed to use the expenditure of its kinetic energy in vivo to create an explosive effect, thus creating a huge wound channel and maximum tissue destruction through hydrostatic shock.

The "blue teflon round" in question is the Glaser safety Slug. It is a round with a blue teflon casing and 120 individual pieces of shot compressed into a liquid teflon suspension. Not only is it designed to create maximum tissue damage, though hydrostatic shock, it is also noted for it's low potential for complete penetration, which means all of it's energy is expended in vivo.

Frangible rounds, especially in pistol loads have no sporting purpose, unless your sport is killing folks. They are, however, very popular with those whose "hands get wet" on the job. When you want to kill someone and make them stay dead, a frangible round is the tool for the job. Especially when you want to kill someone with a head shot.

No coroner worth his or her salt when it comes to criminal forensics and ballistics, would ever mistake a Glaser Safety Slug for common ratshot, especially in an area so rich in interpersonal violence as Texas.

This leaves the informed reader with but one logical conclusion: Cliff Baxter was murdered and the facts obscured, in conclusion, by the coroner's office.

[Poll_Blind]

9. Holy shit, Tandalayo, you're incredible. More info inside for others...

Glaser Blue and Gray Safety Slugs:


From the literature:

BLUE: Glaser BLUE uses #12 shot compressed into a solid form. The Glaser BLUE produces immediate energy dispersal into the target, reducing the possibility of over penetration and creating abrupt stopping power. The numerous projectiles disperses outward generating an effective wound cavity.

SILVER: Glaser SILVER is made up of #6 shot. With the Silver load, you get much larger segments; deeper penetration and controlled energy release.

I cannot find page 3 of the autopsy but page 4 contains some spillover at the top referring to the bright blue teflon you see in the promotional diagram above:



I just wanted to say it's people like you who chime in with their own personal experience that makes DU such an incredible and powerful tool to fight back the darkness. I've seen Glasers up close and I've fired pistols but I just didn't have the information that you were able to provide to put 2 and 2 together. Thank you!

PB

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. It is easy...

To figure out what really happened from the information above, even if you have even a small amount of knowledge regarding ammunition and ballistics like I do.

I am no expert and I do not offer myself as such. But even I can see that there was some real effort made to obscure the facts of Cliff Baxter's death.

Thank you for the compliment. I try. Sometimes, I even succeed.

[xxqqqzme]

10. Thank you for that information.

I know NOTHING about guns and ammunition. You explanation was easy 2 follow and understand.