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MiniMoog Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:24 AM
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Criticizing the Prez Could be Against a New FEC Law (hearing on Feb 7)
Edited on Thu Feb-05-04 02:25 AM by MiniMoog
Pretty serious stuff here. Please take a moment to aquaint yourself with a rather nefarious position that crept under the radar, and, if passed, will have the most unsettling consequences for this important election cycle. --MiniMoog

WASHINGTON - February 4 - An unprecedented collection of 324 national, state, and local environmental, civil rights, civil liberties, women's rights, public health, social welfare, senior, religious, and social justice organizations today urged the Federal Election Commission to reject an FEC General Counsel draft advisory opinion that could severely restrict the ability of nonprofit organizations to communicate with the public about important policy issues. The FEC is scheduled to consider the opinion at its meeting this Thursday, February 5. (For a copy of the letter and the draft advisory opinion, see www.pfaw.org/go/FEC_Advisory_Opinion.)

It could be virtually impossible for groups other than federal PACs to criticize or commend members of Congress or President Bush for anything they say or do if the commissioners approve the draft opinion's assertion that any communication that "promotes, supports, attacks, or opposes" any federal candidate must be paid for using funds raised under the restrictions of the federal election laws.

For example, the opinion, as drafted, could put unprecedented restrictions on spending for:

o A web site that criticizes funding cuts contained in the budget recently transmitted to Congress by President Bush;

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"Making it unlawful to criticize the policies and actions of a sitting President or Members of Congress except under the auspices of a registered political committee is one of the most fundamental attacks on the freedom of speech and freedom of association of American citizens ever contemplated by a government agency," says the public interest organizations' comments.

Press Release from People For the American Way
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0204-11.htm

Response to FEC Draft
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=13690

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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:30 AM
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1. freedom of speech?
Just watch what you say...
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:34 AM
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2. What, they're trying to emulate European gaglaws now, too? LOL! n/t
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MiniMoog Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:43 AM
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7. Moveon.org, for instance
would be severely limited in presenting any full-frontal assaults. They signed the letter.

This would also handicap the vaunted 527s (from the miniscule to the Godzilla) impact to publicly illuminate the varied nastiness of this administration.

~MiniMoog
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:36 AM
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3. Welcome to the Reich
Yikes!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:37 AM
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4. When he goes I do my little dance
;)
God I hate this damned adminstration.
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:40 AM
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5. Reminds me of my sister,
who insists America has never done anything wrong, ever. She's a staunch Bush supporter, and unfortunately, there are plenty more like her.

We must win this year!
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:42 AM
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6. Been reading about WWII lately & this is right from the Nazi playbook
Edited on Thu Feb-05-04 02:43 AM by LosinIt
Criticism of the Fuehrer will not be tolerated! We have joked a lot about this, but this is no laughing matter. Time to get packing before they start 'disappearing' the dissenters.
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MiniMoog Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:46 AM
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9. Indeed, this is quite a serious matter
On the table, in plain sight for all to not believe.

~MiniMoog
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:50 AM
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11. Lets all sing to forget our troubles..
Deutchland, Deutchland uber alles....
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:44 AM
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8. No way this will stand up in the courts.
If it does, time to relocate to Canada.

My god this is surreal.
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MiniMoog Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:57 AM
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12. And this little dilly:

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"...we are also concerned about how the opinion would handcuff our ability to undertake voter participation activities such as voter registration and get-out-the-vote, especially among minority and other under-represented communities...the draft proposes that voter registration and GOTV public communications that do not expressly advocate, but “promote, support, attack or oppose” a federal candidate, must be paid entirely with federally permissible funds. Therefore, a nonprofit organization that informs the public that President Bush and his Administration has permitted corporations to increase harmful mercury emissions and encourages individuals to register to vote would be required to pay for this activity with federal funds."


~MiniMoog
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 02:48 AM
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10. Whatever you say, say nothing
Edited on Thu Feb-05-04 02:50 AM by Mairead
when you talk about you-know-what, for if you-know-who should hear you, you know what you'll get! They'll take you off to you-know-where for you wouldn't know how long. So for you-know-who's sake don't let anyone hear you singing this song. You all know what I'm thinking of when I mention you-know-what, and I fear it's very dangerous to even mention that! For the other ones will always hear, although you may not see, so if anyone asks who told you that, well, please don't mention me!

You all know who I'm speaking of when I mention you-know-who. And if you-know-who should hear me, you know what he will do. So if you don't see me again, you'll know why I'm away, and if anyone asks you where I've gone, here's what you must say: whatever you say, say nothing....

Well, that's enough about so-and-so, not to mention such-and-such. I'd better end this song now, as I've already said too much. For the less you say and the less you hear, the less you'll go astray. And the less you think and the less you do, the more you'll hear them say: whatever you say, say nothing....


I think this is the theme song of that legislation.
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MiniMoog Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 03:00 AM
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13. That's a 3-chord blues, no?
Catchy.

Needs a bridge, though.

~MiniMoog
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 08:17 AM
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14. dammit
now I gotta change my name to Memorymoog. 6 times the noise but only half as cool :(
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 08:23 AM
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15. This totally
sucks!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 08:58 AM
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16.  . . . such a heavy hand by the omnipresent government . . .
Edited on Thu Feb-05-04 09:04 AM by bigtree
Woodrow Wilson urged legislative action against those who had "sought to bring the authority and 'good name' of the Government into contempt." He worried in his declaration of war, about "spies and criminal intrigues everywhere afoot" which had filled "our unsuspecting communities and even our offices of government."

During his presidency more than 2,000 American citizens were jailed for protest, advocacy, and dissent, with the support of a compliant Supreme Court.

The Wilson-era assaults on civil liberties; Schenck v. U.S.; Frohwerk v. U.S.; Debs v. U.S., Abrams v. U.S., were ratified by Supreme Court decisions which asserted that free speech in wartime was a hindrance to the efforts of peace.

Justice Holmes, in upholding the 1919 Schnek case, in which leaflets were distributed that expressed opposition to the draft, wrote of the words of protest: "Their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight" (referring to the war), and that "no court could regard them as protected by any constitutional right."

Justices Brennan and Holmes wrote the majority opinion which was phrased as the new "clear and present danger" test in which they argued: "The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree."

Justice Holmes said, "We think it necessary to add to what has been said in Schenck v. United States . . . only that the First Amendment while prohibiting legislation against free speech as such cannot have been, and obviously was not, intended to give immunity for every possible use of language. We venture to believe that neither Hamilton nor Madison, nor any other competent person then or later, ever supposed that to make criminal the counseling of a murder within the jurisdiction of Congress would be an unconstitutional interference with free speech."

The Court wanted to draw a clear line between free speech and harmful speech, but their reasoning was blunt. The effect of the ruling was a stifling of protest and dissent.

In the case of Frohwerk, the Supreme Court used the Schnek decision to uphold the convictions of two newspaper workers for publishing articles which condemned the war.

The Schnek decision was also used by the Supreme Court in 1919 to uphold the conviction of Eugene Debs under the Espionage Act for giving a public address condemning capitalism, advocating socialism, and speaking in defense of those who had been imprisoned for exercising their free speech rights. Similarly, in the case of Abrams, the Supreme Court upheld the conviction for distributing antiwar leaflets.

Eventually Holmes would move away from his ruling on Schnek in his dissent in the Court's upholding of Abrams. Justice Holmes worried in his minority opinion that, "A patriot might think that we were wasting money on aeroplanes, or making more cannon of a certain kind than we needed, and might advocate curtailment with success."

In the 1917 case of Masses Publishing v Patten, at the beginning of WWI, Masses Publishing had argued against the postmaster general's refusal to allow the distribution of its journal which attacked capitalism. Justice Learned Hand had ruled that the draft violated the First Amendment. Hand said that, ". . . the government may prosecute words that are "triggers to action" but not words that are "keys of persuasion." A reversal promptly followed his decision.

Not until 1969, would the Supreme Court unanimously abandon Schnek standard to overturn the conviction in the case of Brandenburg v. Ohio; in support of the free speech rights of a member of the Ku Klux Klan. The Brandenburg ruling braided the "clear and present danger" standard with Justice Hand's 'incitement test."

The reversal of the Klanman's conviction affirmed the principle that the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.

The broad decision in Brandenburg gave future courts room for the passage of the many protections of public expression and advocacy which we rely on today in our dissent and protest.

Justice Douglas wrote in 1958 that: "Advocacy that is no way brigaded with action should always be protected by the First Amendment. That protection should extend even to the actions we despise."

President Bush's reaction to the terrorist attacks on 9-11 was a mix of defiance and rhetoric in his defense of the 'freedom' that he said the attackers wanted to 'destroy'.

"They hate our freedoms - our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other," he declared in an address to a joint session of Congress.

"With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends," he said. "They stand against us, because we stand in their way."

According to the ACLU, the Patriot Act would, for the first time, allow the Justice Dept. to monitor privileged attorney-client conversations, permit FBI agents to monitor houses of worship, require local law enforcement to enforce civil immigration law and allow for companies such as nuclear facilities to keep secret, the flaws in their infrastructure by sharing that information with the Homeland Security Department.

The act allows the investigation of Americans based on certain activities such as the participation in a protest or any form of activism. The American Civil Liberties Union has charged that at events attended by President Bush and other senior federal officials around the country, the Secret Service has been discriminating against protesters in violation of their free speech rights.

The ACLU's legal papers listed more than a dozen examples of police censorship around the country. According to their fact sheet, "such incidents have spiked under the Bush administration, prompting the ACLU to charge government officials with a "pattern and practice" of discrimination against those who disagree with its policies." The ACLU has asked a federal court for a nationwide injunction barring the Secret Service from directing local police to restrict protesters' access to appearances by President Bush and other senior administration officials.

The ACLU and its supporters have asserted that some of their members and many other Americans are currently subject to illegal surveillance, noting that the FBI has already targeted its members in numerous other ways. Under the FISA statute, a U.S. citizen may be subject to a FISC surveillance order for political statements and views that are determined to be unpopular by the secret Court of Review.

The manner in which the Supreme Court intervened to halt the recount of the Florida election ballot, and effectively assured the ascendence of President Bush to the presidency, must be factored into any expectation of impartiality in higher court decisions involving prosecutions for dissent whose appellants challenge the motives and the prerogatives of the executive, especially in times of war.

These constitutional protections serve to restrain our government and its elected representatives as they perform their duties, to act in a manner which preserves the promises of democracy and provides for free expression, debate, and advocacy, and representation in our political and legal system.

Without these constitutional protections, it is impossible for the government to act decisively on the assumption it has the full weight of the American people behind any decision it might make.

In wartime, this weak franchise may wrongfully view opposition as treason and seek to crush it. But in the absence of the full consent of the governed, such a heavy hand by the omnipresent government could rightly be seen as tyranny.

(Mod. These are excerpts from my writings)
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MiniMoog Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 12:22 PM
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17. Bounce
Because, this is, you know, important.

~MiniMoog
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