Why Would The Repugs Want WWIII As Part Of Their Talking Points..

[global1]

I've been listening to Randi and she indicated that the Repug talking points over the weekend included mentioning that "this is WWIII'. She said Newt and O'Reilly and Kristol all dropped that pearl.

I just don't understand how the Repugs will think that claiming we are in WWIII will help them?

I've been telling my Repug friends since 2000 that Bush is going to get us into WWIII. None of them believed me and laughed at me.

Now having the Repugs using WWIII as a talking point - is making my point to my Repug friends. They are sitting there thinking twice about their vote now.

Can somebody explain to me how the Repugs think talking up WWIII will help them in Nov '06 or '08.

[endarkenment]

1. War time president: must stay the course.

I assume the talking point will make more sense as the war gets worse.

[global1]

9. I'm Sorry - It Won't Work This Time......

even my staunchest Repug supporting friends have limits. They don't want a world war either. The fact that they think that *Co and the Repugs took us into this thing is their breaking point.

[endarkenment]

13. Just wait.

One thing is for sure: these guys are not idiots. They have a plan. We can be sure that their plan is vile and that they will stop at nothing to win.

[MissWaverly]

19. They want 9-11 Part Two

It's all Bush has dreamed of since his numbers went below 40, another high body count, he
can cry on Tv, wave the flag and bingo, he's at 90% with the congress goose stepping behind
him, with no questions asked.

[KurtNYC]

2. Same ol' same ol': Fear mongering nt

[RDANGELO]

15. .and they hope the people will turn to **** to protect them. n/t

[displacedtexan]

3. So the idiots in Toad Suck Ferry will fear terrorist attacks.

(Sorry Toad Suck Ferry, folks. I just grabbed that
town out of my memory.

[uppityperson]

4. We need to continue The War on Terror because we haven't Won yet.

seems backwards to me, regression is good?

[LUHiWY]

31. You hit the nail on the head?

The War on Terror is a self perpetuating war! The more they chase & damage the terrorists...the more they will need to chase them. And more FEAR buttons they can push.

The more buttons they can push...means the more the herd can be upset & stampeded...and made to do what is wanted.

And so...there's more they can get away with.

But eventually...the herd calms down enough to sniff the air, look around...and begins to see what's really coming down.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Because Freeps, Fundies and General Pukes

instantly form a gigantic circle jerk
at the mere mention of WW III
(codename: rapture)

[Master Mahon]

6. This way all the CHICKENHAWKS

can all stomp and swagger about how they are so tough on terra!
We need THEM to keep us safe!!!!
You know, the same old crap they've been handing us since 911

[Warpy]

7. A terrified population is a docile one

and far likelier to rally around the bad leaders they have than chance getting some good ones. It's human nature and one of the harsher lessons of history.

It just remains to be seen whether this manufactured fear will override the deep rage a great many people are feeling toward this bunch. I hear it expressed in public all the time now, haven't had to instigate anything for WEEKS.

I sincerely hope they've miscalculated the fearmongering, and the attempt only adds to the rage at a seriously incompetent bunch of morally certain prigs who are incapable of seeing a disaster in the making and dealing with it because it wasn't included in the elegant plans they all made a decade ago.

[dogman]

8. Fear-mongering has worked well in the past.

They believe they can still sell themselves as the only ones who can protect us. Think Giuliani, McCain.

[global1]

17. Look - I Can See Where People Were Frightened By 911.....

but even Repugs have limits. Most of them look at terrorism and think that - yeah - let *Co go out there and try and protect us from that. We don't want any more buildings coming down. But a World War. Come on. Now that even could effect them in a big way. In many ways: possible reinstitution of the draft; gas prices going through the roof; extreme sacrific; possible annihilation; hey - I might even get hurt.

Don't you think these people will now look to *Co as failures. Not only didn't they stop terrorism - but they've got us into a World War - a World War. Now that's really scary.

[dogman]

25. Do people think that hard?

If people were capable of this thought process, bushco would have been removed handily in '04. They played w at the WTC site with the bullhorn. In '08 they'll rerun Giuliani leading the pack down the streets of NY. I just don't give credit to the bulk of citizens to do any critical analysis.

[Sam Odom]

10. Because

Rightly or wrongly the repubs poll better than dems in 'National Security' altho that gap is closing

[global1]

18. If The Dems Don't Capitalize On This -

I don't think that the Repugs will continue to poll better on "national security".

I can't wait for the new polls about this.

Yeah - right - the Repugs are so strong on "National Security" they took us to the brink of WWIII. I don't think so. Maybe I was wrong about those Repugs. They haven't protected us so well. If they did - we wouldn't be facing WWIII.

I can see them saying that - whoa - I guess now is time to let the other guys have a chance. Maybe *Co f...ed up.

[Patchuli]

30. That is so crazy I just don't understand it

and NO I do not think because we haven't been hit again since '01 that repubs keep us safer! I think it may be more due to the close relations of the */Bin Laden families. I think Osama made * a bunch of tapes to use on us. But then I'm a moonbat so they say! ;-)

[Minnesota Libra]

11. Tell me anything that would galvanize "Christians" like Armeggedon.......

.....and WW III. Regardless of what else neocons/fundies/conservatives/?? think idiot boy may have screwed up they would all rally around the idea of Armageddon and "Revelations" come true.

[Joe for Clark]

12. I think, they know they are going down anyway -

SO - if national defense is the only strength they have - it makes a certain sense.

If you had a warpped view of reality, it makes sense.

To the rest of us, it reaffirms a gop implosion this November.

I think that is the deal,

Joe

[longship]

14. Dem talking point - Who get the US into WW III?

The Chimp! Of course.

[stepnw1f]

16. Dellusional and Sociopathic

they are so brainwashed by their own bullshit, that they don't realize how ridiculous they sound. And the funny thing is that Neo-Cons generally never served in the military or shot off a weapon on the battlefield.

[Joe for Clark]

21. You know your point is really true, stepnwlf -

I really believe the people fighting the hardest are those people that know what it means to fight in combat - I am sure.

Pretty sure, anyway.

Joe

[gumby]

20. One of John Dean's points in his new book

is that a frightened populace is more accepting of totalitarian personalities and policies.

Keeping Americans afraid works for the neo-cons on several levels.

And don't forget that Newt was one this debacles architects. Now he's calling HIS creation a bureaucratic nightmare and WW III. Newt is a triple-deluxe asshole.

[Joe for Clark]

24. I do trust the American people the most..

We didn't accept such things in 1932 - I am sure we won't now.

Some of this really is a matter of faith.

The numbers are in our favor so far, though.

Dean is a brave man. I listened to the Watergate proceedings way back when - he was brave then, too. And Nixon wasn't nearly so problematic.

In our history as a country, we have always done the right thing when it was demanded.

We will do so now.

I do believe in our country to do right when it had to be done.

Joe

[MarinCoUSA]

22. As the neocon ship slip under their bleating entreaties turning shrill

- really, seems that as the last wheels fall off the wagon, the craziness from their mouths increases.
- Like Viet Nam and Wiemar Germany, the current batch of right wing reactionaries are now creating the newest version of the stabbed in the back myth

[MarinCoUSA]

23. War Ver 3.0? Everybody asked to sacrifice? have a job? Taxes way up?

War III, IV, whatever. I think not.

[jimshoes]

26. WWIII would probably mean

gas rationing among some of the more mundane sacrifices Americans would be asked to make. How will Missy, Heather and Bethany feel about a 20 gallon a month Ration for their new Hummer? Not to mention Biff, Zeke, Billy Bob and the huge 4x4 crowd and the rest of the SUV driving public.

[zulchzulu]

27. Terror! Terror! Terror! Terror! And then..... TERROR!!!

It will be too dangerous to vote. Democracy is too open to be allowed in these times.

[jsw643]

28. Because it will work Big Time -- The View from the Right

The Left in Israel demonstrates against Olmert and the war -- and how do you think that plays with the rest of the Israelis? The American Left embraces its country's enemies - wherever and whoever they are, and as Rush points out, is seen to be totally invested in the defeat of the United States. How do you suppose this actually plays in Peoria?

Newt has touched on a very sensitive nerve. National Security is the vastly most important function, by far, of any government. Nothing, not entitlement programs, abortion, higher pay for teachers, raising the minimum wage, gay marriage, saving the horned toad or anything else comes close. National Security equals national survival.

Here is how it sounds: In speaking to the Knesset today, PM Olmert speaking in Churchillian terms said: "Citizens of Israel, there are moments in the life of a nation, when it is compelled to look directly into the face of reality and say: no more." He then went on to say: "Only a nation that can protect its freedom deserves it."

If (a really big "IF") my party is smart enough to nationalize this WWIII issue crystalized down to: "In a world where North Korea and Iran have or can soon get nukes and the means to deliver them, etc, etc, our country is in WWIII, fighting for its existence and our National Security is far too important to EVER be entrusted to liberal Democrats" they will bury you in the Fall. Your wing of the Party -- with Dean, Kucinich, KOS, the DU and the others -- is the self-indulgent poster child for the argument.

:evilgrin:

[jimshoes]

29. Lots of if's

in that war mongers wet dream scenario.

[Bridget Burke]

33. If Your Party is so good with National Security, please explain 9/11.

Why did Your National Security Adviser (at the time) ignore the August 6th PDB?

Why did Your President sit like a fool in that Florida classroom--when people in the WTC were deciding between burning to death & jumping?

FDR was our President throughout most of WWII. Most would consider him a Liberal Democrat.

[subversive_smurf]

32. Lowers expectations

You see, when all the Bush bots start yelling "WORLD WAR III" all over the place, it freaks the nation out. Then, when the situation in the ME ends up to be NOT AS BAD as WWIII, Bush looks like a hero. It's the same low expectations game that Bush has been playing his entire life.