A United Democratic Party?

[isbister]

There is an old saying "I am not a member of an organized political party…I am a Democrat." In 2004, that no longer seems to be the case. The exit polls show a party united around beating George Bush, and a party willing to rally behind the eventual nominee.

Eighty percent of Democratic voters are saying they will be satisfied with John Kerry as the nominee. That is a very strong showing for Kerry at a time when 5 other Democrats are still in the field, and a sixth was also at the time voters took the poll.

Over 40% of Democrats are angry with George Bush, while the number rises to over 80% dissatisfied with the current administration. Most Democrats say they are worse off economically than they were 4 years ago and 80% oppose the war.

John Kerry has emerged as the clear frontrunner while John Edwards, Howard Dean, and Wesley Clark have long-shot scenarios to get back in the race. Six months ago, the pundits were calling this a lackluster field, but with record turnouts in state after state, this field has caught the attention of the voters...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/020504A.shtml

[IndianaGreen]

1. The flip side is that 20% of Democrats will be "dissatisfied" with Kerry

as the nominee. That's 20% of Democrats whose support of Kerry will be tepid at best, and I count myself among them!

[FreeperSlayer]

2. Appreciate it!

Thanks for the support.

ABB! Bush Out!

[IndianaGreen]

4. ABK

All the way!

My one vote won't prevent Indiana from going in the GOP column, again.

But Kerry at the top of the Democratic ticket will drag down some of our Democratic candidates. Our Indiana Democrats are more important than the imperial ambitions of the Skull & Bonesman from Massachusetts.

Screw Kerry!

[buckeye1]

16. Me too.

ABB ABB ABB,etc.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Kerry won't end the war. Kerry won't bring the troops home.

Kerry won't repeal the PATRIOT Act.

ABB is nothing but a change in personnel, not a change in policy!

[izzie]

5. I read the same type answers on Free Republic, Sorry but

if we can get 80% on anything in the Dem party sounds good to me. The Republicans are ready to put you out unless it is 100%Right Wing. I hope our party will be large enough to let even Greens in as that is where my name is. I think Nadar is more to our beliefs than some .He has never been for anything but the day working man.I do not go along will every thing Kerry has done but so be it. I will vote for him, as I voted for Gore.

[IndianaGreen]

8. The nomination of Kerry turns the Democratic Party into a war party

Democrats will be a party of coalition rather than a party of opposition. ABB is a bullshit DLC PR gimmick that calls for replacing the "R" with a "D" while refusing to make any substantive changes to America's global militarism and imperialism.

[izzie]

12. I thought Kerry said he was wrong ....

to have voted for Bush to have that power? I do like how Dean thinks but he is not going to make it. I do not want a War Party.

[adadem]

18. He did. He said

he was wrong to have trusted the president. And I agree, a war party or brokered convention only hurts the entire party and delays the uniting of the party. The Dems have to be more cohesive than ever. I can easily work for any of the top three candidates and the more time we have the better.

[IndianaGreen]

20. If Kerry "trusted" Bush, then he is too stupid to be President

Even Barney has better sense than that!

[JasonDeter]

3. Were going to find out this election who is a DINO

Those who vote for anyone other than the Democratic nominee is not a Democrat but a traitor!! This election is too important. bush* must be removed and sent packing back to that hellhole he calls home in Crawford Texas. I want a big black asterisk solid next to that disgusting bush*s name for all the world to see just what a miserable failure he was. I will GLADLY vote for Kerry and if Gephardt is his VP choice I'll smile while voting. I'll vote for Clark, Edwards, Dean, whoever the nominee is I'll vote for him.

[IndianaGreen]

6. I don't see you calling for Zell Miller's head, and superdelegate

credentials.

The only traitors here are Al From, Evan Bayh, the DLC, Terry McCauliff, and all those Democrats that fixed the primaries to get the nomination to a warmongering and anti-civil libertarian like John Kerry.

Who was behind the Dean/Osama ad?

The Democrats that supported the invasion of Iraq are as much war criminals as Bush!

[JasonDeter]

24. Excuse me? This is the Democratic process!

The people are the ones voting and have made John Kerry the frontrunner! I'm sorry your candidate doesn't stand a chance but thats not the fault of the Democratic process! And in fact what McCauliff supposedly set up by your accound isn't working! In fact just the opposite. I was a strong Dean supporter but I'm glad he's out now, I can see he had NO chance of winning against bush*.
And I think you've lost sight of who the real enemy is to say that Democrats who voted for the war are war criminals. bush* is the CINC* and it is his responsibility and his alone and to spread the blame around is to let him off the hook but you go ahead.

[IndianaGreen]

7. Speaking of Gephardt...

How about using this as a campaign poster? I am sure there are millions of antiwar Americans that need reminding who the warmongers were:

President, House Leadership Agree on Iraq Resolution



President George W. Bush along with bipartisan leaders from the House and Senate announced the Joint Resolution to authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces against Iraq. "The statement of support from the Congress will show to friend and enemy alike the resolve of the United States," President Bush said during the announcement in the Rose Garden, Wednesday, October 2, 2002. White House photo by Paul Morse.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-7.html

[HFishbine]

15. Hey! I recognize that guy! The one in the pink tie!

Isn't that Kerry's running mate?

[IndianaGreen]

21. Yep, that's the winning ticket!

Four more years of Barney cams.

[MadHound]

9. Grow up and get real

Just because you're barely bright enough to follow the herd doesn't mean the rest of us are sheep. I'm sorry, but any DLC endorsed candidate has huge problems in both mine and others book. Mainly the fact that he is taking all sorts of corporate money, ie he is going to be a corporate whore, putting the interests of big business before the interests of the people he is sworn to serve.

And then there is the matter of voting records. If Kerry gets the nod, well his voting record is very tarnished. Let's see, IWR, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc. Does any of this sound very Democratic? And don't give me this bull about his not being able to know the truth about WMD. If Kucinich and a few other brave souls were able to discern the truth(along with millions outside of government), then why wasn't Kerry able to do this? Besides, with the people voicing an overwhelming opinion at the time that they didn't want to go to war, why didn't he simply represent his constituents and vote no? Instead he took the corporate whore vote. Doesn't wash with me.

The entire trouble with the Democratic Party is that it has been corrupted by corporate money for a long while now, and a Dem vote is no longer a vote for change. With corporations hedging their bets and giving large amounts of cash to both sides of the aisle, both parties have been corrupted and taken over by big business. Look at Clinton's record, yes for media conglomeration, yes for welfare "reform", yes for NAFTA which shipped well paying UNION jobs overseas. Is that the record of a Dem. If you say yes, your tripping hard. Don't you get it? In this day and age it doesn't matter if the person has a D or R behind their name anymore, all that matters is the corporate logo tatooed on their soul.

So some of us our out there working for a real change. The rise of a party uncorrupted by corporate cash, the implimentation of publicly financed election campaigns. We are working to make this country a better place. If you wish to go along with the herd, contendly chewing your cud, that's fine. But don't go accusing those of us who are working for a REAL change in politics as usual, because the ones who benefit will be you and the rest of the herd. It is better to be a traitor to a corrupt party than it is to be simply another bleat in the herd.

[JNelson6563]

17. Glad to hear you're working for change

I am doing the same here where I am. It is an uphill battle but we fight the good fight. I'm startin glocal and working my way up. Are you involved in your local party? I'd be interested in finding out more about your efforts. PM if you'd like to discuss it.

Julie

[JasonDeter]

25. Go ahead and fight for real change sniff sniff but

when you eventually come that that dead end road which you will don't come crying. Naderite and I hate it because it gave us bush* Nader was too stupid to see any difference between Gore and bush*. That kind of politic disgusts me.

On edit: In fact I think you can thank Nader for Dean getting knocked out of the race. Just the prospect of of him getting back in the race has made America look for someone who is 'electable' and not based on Democratic principles. Nader is the worst thing to happen to American Democratic politics since Clintons bj.

[MadHound]

26. The only dead end road I see is the one the Democratic party is taking

You know that road, the one we're on today, leading to two parties with the same corporate master

And I think that it is really all too pathetic to blame all of the Dem's problems on Nader, much less Dean's dismal showings. I mean really now, don't you think that is kind of a stretch?:eyes: The Dems have been shooting themselves in the foot at the behest of their corporate masters long before Nader, or Clinton's blowjob. Or have you forgot how these supposed Dems like Clinton pushed through NAFTA, media conglomeration and welfare "reform", thus alienating entire blocks of their voting base?

But hey, I know the herd is really comforting for those who don't wish to think for themselves. But when you finally get tired of the insanity, come on over to the Greener side of the pasture. When you don't have to worry about what your corporate master wants you to do its amazing what kind of change you can bring about.

[JasonDeter]

30. Kerry is the nominee, Me: Moo. Clark is the nominee, Me: Baaa

Edwards is the nominee: I don't like him but I'll vote for him.
Dean is the nominee: I don't think he can win but I'll vote for him.
Sharpton or Kucinich the nominee, hell has just frozen over but I'll struggle out to into that cold hard day and pull the lever for either one of them. ABB. To do otherwise is foolish and a disservice and is harming our children.

[patricia92243]

10. If Kerry is the nominee,the Dems will have "buyers remorse" -end of unity

[CWebster]

11. The DLC spent the last year attacking us

If they are going to use their influence to destroy candidates who would oppose their Republican-lite policies to challenge the Republicans than they can fight their own battles without us. If they think they can insult us, like Republicans who scorn liberals, and then expect us to line up behind them after they've employed Republican-style dirty tricks, they have another thing coming.

The only way they can win is as a vote against Bush, not as a vote for the Democratic candidate, but if they win they will present it as validation of DLC domination---and if they lose? If they lose, even with landslide sentiment anti-Bush will they see it as NeoDem failure?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. If Kerry is the nominee

I'll vote for him. And right after he's elected, I'll start working with other dissatisfied local people to build a viable new progressive party that is not beholden to corporate interests.

[IndianaGreen]

14. Kerry won't be elected -- he is unelectable

Only a third of the electorate considers itself Democrats, and another third Republicans.

Kerry will not get the support and the votes of those independents that are opposed to the war on the basis of their conscience, or those opposed to PATRIOT because they are civil libertarians.

Other than Lieberman, Kerry is the weakest possible nominee the Democrats could have fielded against Bush.

[library_max]

22. A unified Democratic Party? Oh, the horror!

Goodness, we might win an election! Can't let that happen! Fortunately, most of the respondents to this string are doing everything in their power to sabotage our chances, so that's all right. Thanks a lot for your "help," fellows.

[MadHound]

23. Hell, the Democratic Party is becoming ever more united alright

United with the 'Pugs and their corporate masters. Face it, can you honestly say that somebody is a Democrat when they vote for, propose or sign legislation that is scripted right out of the conservative playbook? Patriot Act, IWR, Homeland Security, NAFTA, welfare "reform" and the list goes on and on ad nauseum. Our supposed Democratic leaders are nothing more than corporate whores dressed up in liberal rags. One very good definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results everytime. I recognize that by continually voting in the Democratic Party again and again all we are doing is allowing in more and more corporate whores who talk a good line, but once in do everything in their power to advance the corporate agenda. By recognizing this and acting on it I am not not participating in the insanity. What about you?

And you are correct, there are a lot of us out here who want our country and our liberal voice back. Since our needs and desires aren't being addressed by the supposed liberal party, the Dems, we are taking our money, energy, voices and votes elsewhere in order to effect a real change in this country. If that means we are sabotaging the Democratic Party, so be it. A party that is so corrupted by big busines as the Dems are doesn't deserve to be endorsed or supported, it deserves to fade away into obscurity like the other parties in our history that were hopelessly corrupted. And no, we are not out to help the Democratic Party, we are out to help our country return to the sanity of having big business out of our government. Which is the greater good, helping a hopelessly corrupt, moribund party in their continuing quest to make all Americans into corporate serfs, or helping to restore government of the people, by the people and for the people back to the people?

So you are presented with a choice here. You can continue to be a good little sheep in the corporate party herd, or you can join in the struggle to truly restore democracy to our great nation and remove big business from our government. The choice is yours, the path of insanity or the path of freedom. Choose wisely.

[library_max]

29. Wow, lookit all the buzzwords.

I see "Pugs," "conservative playbook," "supposed Democratic leaders," "corporate whores," "liberal rags," "insanity," "corporate agenda," "supposed liberal party," "corrupted," "hopelessly corrupt, moribund party," "corporate serfs," "good little sheep," and "corporate party herd."

Golly, a post this chock-full of name-calling and invective must be right! I'm so sorry I ever doubted you.

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

27. Wow, 80% would be satisfied with Kerry as the nominee

That's a pretty good number. I don't think Democrats have ever been in 80% agreement on anything, LOL!

"The exit polls show a party united around beating George Bush, and a party willing to rally behind the eventual nominee."

[Atlant]

28. Yeah, but 95% of Republicans will be satisfied, too.

> Eighty percent of Democratic voters are saying they will be
> satisfied with John Kerry as the nominee.

Yeah, but 95% of Republicans will be satisfied with Kerry as
our nominee, too*. :)

Atlant


* Note: This is not a real statistic. I made it up for comic effect.
But it's probably just as accurate as many of the other statistics
that have been thrown around during this alleged "race".