Is I is or is I ain't? are we at war or is this all bullshit?

[wagthedogwar]

Let me get this straight, George W. Putch can do anything he wants because he assumes war powers...but he doesn't have to follow the rules of war because we're not at war???

...I guess it depends on what your definition of 'is' is.


That's very convenient, I might even say 'Clintonesque'

Thanks to Diane Feinstein who got the smarmy scumbag Gonzales to finally admit it, you ain't at war, so who let you pull the war powers out of your ass?

[monarch]

1. Good point! n/t

[emanymton]

2. Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.

Yes. It is war. And the Constitution is the enemy.

The word is Orwellen. The book is "1984." And it will not end in 2008.

[unschooler]

3. That's the whole point. This isn't a war. It never was. n/t

[HereSince1628]

4. I understand the parsing of legalisms but it makes no difference

unless some force can rest the control of power from their hands.

They will simply get more and more brazen in their rebuke of the quaint old documents that once placed limits on those in power.

[unblock]

5. 19 dead people does not an invasion make

no matter how much damage they did with their box cutters.

9/11 was a horrible attack, yes. i was there. i saw the towers ablaze.

but it ain't no pearl harbor. never was. that was all a lie designed to turn an unpopular failure of a presidency into a "war means we can do whatever the f*ck we want" presidency, and the media and the rest of the power structure fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

pearl harbor: organized military attack from an alliance of nations who had not only expressly declared their intention to conquer the world, but had also already demonstrated their ability and desire to invade and conquer quite a number of countries already. plus, they had the clear ability to engage in war on an ongoing basis. and in a quaint anachronism, they actually declared war, albeit with some timing problems. they destroyed not only many lives, but also half our navy. as in, key military assets.

9/11: 19 criminals without any military equipment managed to killed about 3,000 people and destroyed a commercial building, 4 commercial planes, and did structural damage to our military headquarters. these 19 people represented fringe views that held power over no nation at all, didn't have a military, didn't have the ability to invade and conquer, and didn't have the ability continue to press their attack except perhaps on a once-a-decade kind of timeframe.


america's reaction, as a nation, has been disgraceful.