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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:08 PM
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AP: House Takes Up 'Pledge' Protection
House Takes Up 'Pledge' Protection

By JIM ABRAMS

WASHINGTON Jul 19, 2006 (AP)— House debate on a bill to protect the Pledge
of Allegiance from legal challenges because of the "under God" phrase erupted
in heated rhetoric Wednesday with lawmakers from both parties using religious
references to support their side.

"We are making an all-out assault on the Constitution of the United States
which, thank God, will fail," said Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi in opposition
to the bill barring most federal courts from ruling on the pledge.

The pledge protection act, expected to pass over mainly Democratic opposition,
is part of the House GOP's "American values agenda" that House Speaker Dennis
Hastert said would "defend America's founding principles." Another part of that
agenda, a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, was defeated in the House
on Tuesday.

The debate at times became angry, with Democrats accusing Republicans of spending
time on issues important to their conservative base while ignoring the problems
of the country and resisting efforts to raise the minimum wage.
<snip>

Full article: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2211381
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:10 PM
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1. oh christ is that all they can find to work on?
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:11 PM
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2. Republicans hate America n.t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:12 PM
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3. Who cares about "under God"?
The Pledge is only as meaningful as the liberties it guarantees. Eliminate the guarantees and the Pledge becomes meaningless.

As for the minimum wage, that seems to be a symptom of a bigger problem: Cost of living and CEO accountability; when the execs fail, they rarely take the blame; it trickles down to/on us. A bit of a pity, CEOs also claim they deserve the money because they make the decisions that can make or break the company. There is no responsibility, and the larger the company the less the responsibility.

And it's kinda hard to seek life, liberty, and pursue happiness when the hope of getting any of them continues to dwindle.

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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:15 PM
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4. Pssst.. hey house,
fucking gas is at $3.00 and above, now that is something that concerns this citizen. Why not discuss that, assholes.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:18 PM
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5. panderdering to their base -AGAIN>
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:23 PM
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6. It's on Cspan right now. Feel like I'm living in a parallel universe.!
Wherein the inmates truly are running the asylum.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:49 PM
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7. Need any more "proof" that the 2004 was stolen via Diebold and ES&S,
including the Congressional elections?

I call it the "Diebold Congress," to distinguish it from the Anthrax Congress that passed the "Help America Vote for Bush Act," and also to distinguish it from anything representing the interests of the majority of Americans. These rats are beholden to brethren Bushite corporations, Diebold and ES&S, and not to us. That has been made very clear. And you don't need a tome of exit poll analyses to "prove" it. All you have to do is look at their rat faces while they talk about "God." Dirty, scumbag lowlifes who spread the plague of hatred with every breath. If ever there was proof that there is no God, these rat bastards are it--because He/She would be striking Congress with lightning bolts today, at the blasphemy that is being squeaked and snarled over the airwaves.

But enough of that scum. What's really going on is the creation of the Rovian pre-written election narrative, to be used afterward to "explain" the Bushites' miraculous comeback "victory" in November. This is part of the Rovian tale--that by playing to their 20% base of the stupidest voters on earth (with flag-waving, God-waving, and hating gays and brown immigrants), no doubt combined with the Israel-proxy Mideast-wide war and chaos, the Bushites somehow "pulled it off"--that is, overrode the 70% of the American people who despise Bush and his war.

Mark my words. This is how they're going to play it. And if you don't think they are capable of a 70/30 vote switch, read Bob Koehler on their 60/40 machine flip in Ohio last year on the election reform initiatives. That was their experiment in getting away with BIG vote flips. It worked.

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy! Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

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My suggestion: Big, big, BIG Absentee Ballot protest by the voters. AB voting is not "safe," but it IS a PROTEST, already in progress (up to 50% in Los Angeles) of voters who DON'T TRUST THE RIGGED MACHINES. If it gets big enough, it could blow this new election theft system out of the water. What good are their shiny new election theft machines if nobody will vote on them? I smell rebellion in AB voting--a big rebellion. I think we should promote it. It won't result in an accurate vote count this time, but it may well result in an aroused, aware population demanding election reform for '08. We are otherwise stuck with another stolen election--and more to come.

Bumper sticker: "Bust the Machines--Vote Absentee!"
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:57 PM
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8. "Defend America's founding priciples"
How is the pledge part of the founding priniciples. If i remember correctly the current format of the pledge saying "under God" was only added after 1954.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:14 PM
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9. Wasting time & taxpayers $$ pandering to their base while Americans are:
paying $3.00+/- for gas; worrying about having to pay $3.00+ per gallon for HEATING their homes in the north; going without proper health care; struggling to buy healthy food to put on their tables; watching decent paying jobs being outsourced; global warming and world violence and terrorissm increase; etc, etc.

Oh yeah this BS attempt to protect the pledge & flag at the cost of civil liberties is soooo much more important then all those silly things. :sarcasm: :nuke: :sarcasm:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 03:38 PM
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13. democracy...Rovian style democracy
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 03:56 PM
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14. That has got to be one of the top ranking "oxymorons" of all time. n/t
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:20 PM
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10. What a bunch of disgusting a-holes
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:27 PM
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11. They're more interested in "protecting" the symbols of the republic
Yet they active seek to destroy the values that those symbols re preset ans which make America great.

cue Obviousman:

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:38 PM
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12. Unlike a Republican
I don't need to repeat a pledge every day to know what country I'm living in.

Republicans apparently need to constantly remind themselves, otherwise they'll forget. And I guess with the examples of Duke Cunningham, Tom DeLay, Bob Ney, Ralph Reed, Jack Abramoff, Dennis Hastert, Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and George W. Bush, they need a lot of reminding.

But why burden the rest of us, who can distinguish right from wrong, with such a law?
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