Murdered family and lost job -- rewards for serving your country

[Stargazer99]

While serving overseas in danger of losing one's life (in Washington State)a neighbor kills this soldier's family: wife, sister-in-law and two children by stabbing them in the throat and decapating the youngest boy. I hold this Neocon government and those that support it responsible because it is constantly cutting funds to states "socialism" (ie social programs,mental health, etc). According to the people who knew the killer said they did not see anything in the killer that would indicate the potential to kill these helpless little souls. There are always some signs and signals in the process of living that indicates there is a problem with an individual. But when there are not enough funds to take care of these problems they go unoticed until tradgedy happens. But then again drugs can produce a killer even in one showing no signs danger. People resort to drugs to dull the pain and this administration is causing tremendous pain to many.

Another soldier who has served recently has lost his job. The reason is the company is paying their present employees less than what they were paying the soldier when working for them. He wants his job back at the same rate of pay and they fired him! Employment at will, when ever is the common man ever going to learn...only when he is reduced to a slave, which is damn close to it now.

Those that own the means of production has labor on the run, when is Joe Six Pac going to raise hell?

I guarantee Bush, Cheney, etc will never have their family slaughtered or lose their jobs, yet their policies have allowed this two insults to one's humanity and countless more you never hear about.

[sgxnk]

1. oh for pete's sake

i live not too far from where this happened

there are a LOT fo things you can blame bushco for. this is not one of them

the evidence is scant, and investigators have little idea as to motive, and every single one of the suspect's friends are totally baffled

while you are at it, why not blame the illuminati, the masons, twinkies (the twinkie defense) and ozzy osbourne

the guy had never had ONE single brush with "the law" prior to this murderous rampage, any significant mental health history, he was actively employed, etc.

so why don't you pay attentiont to case facts?

case facts matter

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. But the soldier being fired

is something that wouldn't have happened in the past. I recall being told that a Guardsman could come back to a job at the same rate of pay if he's called to duty.

[sgxnk]

4. read the OP again

bushco's cutting of social programs etc. are blamed for this murderous rampage?

sorry

the evidence does nto support that these cuts had anything whatsoever to do with this murder, especially considering what i said about the guy's past history, and the cops have ZERO idea of motive etc.

it's stupid

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. I wasn't commenting on the murder

as I believe it was commented on by a person in the area. I was commenting on the second part of the OP, about the soldier who was fired from his job.

[sgxnk]

12. oh

well nevermind then, cheddar :)

[Stargazer99]

15. Often times social workers can change an unhealthy situation

or help a sick mind. Cutting their services is like shooting yourself in the foot. If not directly responsible the administration is certainly not helping with the problems but increasing them. The whys of a persons criminal act is complicated and isn't always self-evident.

[sgxnk]

17. that's groovy

but all evidence in this case is that this guy has never run afoul fo the law before, and i have seen no evidence he was ever even in contact with social services for anything

so, the OP blaming social service cuts for this murder is patently absurd. which is my point

[unpossibles]

5. I would agree except for one part

the soldier may have been at home instead of Iraq if we were not in the middle of an occupation. Maybe not though.

[sgxnk]

6. and maybe

and maybe HE would be dead too

and maybe - who the HELL knows

the OP was wrong.

sorry.

place blame where it belongs

at this point - 100% on the killer

[unpossibles]

8. I am not saying I don't blame the killer

but it's not unreasonable to wonder how things may have turned out differently.

not trying to attack you, but you come across as pretty harsh to the OP and I was just giving my angle. And there has been a drastic rise in violent crime lately (at least in my city) and I do somewhat attribute it to the desperation of people who feel crushed in this economy and the cheapening of life exemplified by the Bush administration.

I still blame the killer, and am definitely not trying to make excuses for him, but I do think there are often many factors involved than just A killed B for no reason. It's like 9/11 and terrorism in general - I do not condone violent terrorism in any way, but I can understand why it happens, and I think it's foolish to not try to. And yes, I do partially blame George Bush and if Kerry or Gore had created this mess we live in, I would blame them just as strongly.

Anyway, welcome to DU.

[sgxnk]

11. thanks

my argument was with the 'lack of social programs contributed to murder' thang

this murderer, assuming he is guilty, and by all accounts was a pretty frigging average dood who just flipped out for lord knows what reason

thanks again

[Stargazer99]

13. The fact is there are signs throughout a distrubed individuals

life that a social worker can just about tell what is going to happen. The fact is even you don't know what was going on in the killer's life. A good social network would certainly help some of these problems and cutting funds is a direct route to more problems.

[Stargazer99]

14. Someone doesn't go off the rocker all of a sudden

unless something had been wrong for a long time and it was not attended to. Drugs can also make a seeming harmless individual a killer. Cutting the funds to social programs and police is one of the dumbest things a society can do. This is why I blame this administration.
And when one serves their country they should not be faced with a job loss because "those that own the means of production" want to pay less than before. I'd say keep the job and to hell with endangering your life for a society that is perfectly willing to screw you.

[BlueJazz]

2. All that sounds very sad but, you know, we have to do something...

...about those Queers and Flag-Burners. :sarcasm:

:sarcasm:

[tsuki]

10. Hee..Hee... You forgot the Pledge. Hey, Blue forgot the Pledge. nt

[zann725]

9. Question? Was the soldier (whose family filled), a BlackOp per chance?

Maybe he did or disclosed 'something' the powers-that-be did NOT approve of?

Maybe not. Just thinking. Particularly since there are so many BlackOp's/Private Contractors these days doing highly-secret jobs of endangering nature.

[Stargazer99]

16. I'll bet it was nothing that complicated

The owner of the means of production just wanted cheaper labor.