YOU GO JOE! What a speech; right out of his heart!

[Jeffersons Ghost]

Who saw Senator of Delaware, Joeseph Biden (D) on C-SPAN? He offers plenty. It is not all talk for a change. On Sunday July 10, at around 6:15 during C-SPAN broadcast called ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE he gave perhaps his best speech to date and, best of all, I feel he meant every word.

His words almost make me feel good about being an American. It's been a long time since many of us have felt comfortable about our government. Far too long.

[rzemanfl]

1. He can't speak his way out of being a jerk in my book.

On edit, every politician has a point of no return in my book. With Biden it was that fucking hat. Can you imagine Gore, Kerry or JFK doing something that lamely stupid? It was worse than Dukakis in the tank.

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[jobycom]

9. Perhaps you missed him saying you can't eat at Dunkin' Donuts unless

you have a slight Indian accent.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

24. perhaps that is so insignificant in our real world with real problems...

that very young people can't quite put their minds around grown up world problems yet. Don't worry, there's still time but not much. This expanding terrorist movement is about to explode into Pakistan, which is an Islamic nation that has plenty of nukes along with effective systems to deliver them. Biden spoke on this matter. He also pointed out that taking thousands of cops off the streets with gigantic budget cuts is a very bad thing. You might personally feel the results of that Republican choice very soon.

Energy independence will be his top issue. E85 is his emphasis. YOU GO JOE!

[jobycom]

27. You're right, there are very young minds who are fooled into believing

that Biden is more than he is. If you don't care how he views race in America (yes, that's such minor issue, isn't it?) perhaps you'll care a little more that his words keep changing. Right now he is basically saying what Bush is, only better. Stay the course. Leave troops there indefinitely. Create a country for Iraqis and hope they like what we give them. He uses bigger words and better sentences than Bush, but says the same thing.

Biden was for the invasion, and still thinks it was the right thing to do. He hasn't made good decisions in the past. He can't be trusted to make them now. Here's what he was saying five months after we invaded:

2003:

"Some in my own Party have said it was a mistake to go into Iraq in the first place, and the benefit is not worth the cost. I believe they're wrong. The cost of not acting against Saddam would have been much greater, and so is the cost of not finishing the job. The President is popular. The stakes are high. The need for leadership is great."

"Nine months ago, I voted to give the President the authority to use force. I would vote that way again today."

"Contrary to what some in my Party might think, Iraq was a problem that had to be dealt with sooner rather than later. I commend the President - He was right to enforce the solemn commitments made by Saddam. If they're not enforced, what good are they?

For me, the issue was never WHETHER we had to deal with Saddam. but WHEN and HOW. And it's precisely the WHEN and HOW that this administration got wrong. We went to war too soon. We went with too few troops."

------------

Support him if you want. There are people I trust more.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

28. I can't support anyone that said what you offer. where's a link?

still, it felt good to have a few minutes of hope. I am strictly anti-war, unless we are directly attacked by a foreign force... where is the link to support your comments? as the chimp says, "bring it on."

[jobycom]

29. Here

http://www.brookings.edu/comm/events/20030731.htm

[rzemanfl]

13. Help! Mods! He's being mean to me! Where's that rule? Help!

Do not post messages that are bigoted against (or grossly insensitive toward) any person or group of people based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, lack of religion, disability, physical characteristics, or region of residence.

You, sir or madam, are bigoted or grossly insensitive to us "fools" who think Biden is a clown.

Help! Mods! Mommie!!!

ON EDIT. I AIN'T AFRAID OF NO GHOST!

[babylonsister]

10. What happened with the hat? nt

[rzemanfl]

16. He wore a college hat to a Senate Confirmation hearing on a

Supreme Court Injustice * appointed. It was the nominee's alma mater (Yale, I think.) On edit, Princeton, as a wiser DU'er points out below.

Instead of a fillibuster, Joe gave us a silly hat moment.

[babylonsister]

18. Thanks. I vaguely remember now; maybe Alito? nt

[acmejack]

19. Princeton in the case of Alito.

It was totally disgusting, it was the moment that signified all of them caving and throwing us all to the wolves for the next thirty years.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

43. actually I might gain comfort if it was for a fixed period, even 30 years

I believe we are on the "wolf" menu forever. Every time I hear a good Democratic speech I become hopeful, only to have my hopes dashed on the rocks of reason at a later date. I was uninformed about this Senator but he sure sounded good yesterday: damn.

It's back to hopelessness for me, for now. Thank you all for at least offering reliable info on Biden: damn.

It was a nice illusion, while it lasted.

[NativeTexan]

57. We are all looking for SOMETHING, Ghost!

Someone will come out after this election in the fall, and SWEEP us off our feet! I am a true Democratic Party believer.

I'm not sold on it even, for sure, being some of the same old crowd either, although there are plenty of them that I COULD support.

We shall see my friend.

[Reciprocity]

42. Well at least it wasn't a Hulk tie.

Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska

[LynneSin]

50. Um, Joe supported the filibuster for Alito

Why not complain about those who did not

[karynnj]

53. Except he made a point of saying in TV interviews

that he would vote for the filibuster just once - making his vote useless. Had Kerry and Kennedy gotten exactly the number needed. Frist would simply have called for a second vote - where Biden would either have to take back his stupid statement or vote against the filibuster.

That was the most weasilly action I ever saw.

[GreenArrow]

45. "every politician has a point of no return"

With Biden, for me, it was his performance in the Anita Hill business. He's lived up to my low opinion of him time and time again since then.

[liberalhistorian]

2. What did he say?

I must have missed that speech.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

6. he's still on! i'm going to go finish hearing it.. also rebroadcasted...

tonight 9:30 PM and 12:30 AM Central

[laruemtt]

3. listening to him right now -

best i've ever heard him. and i'm no fan.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

15. SPEECH RERUN TWICE LATER @ 9:30 and 12:30

[kstewart33]

Glad to hear it. Wish we could see it.

Biden isn't perfect, but I've respected his ability to come up with some good ideas on what to do about Iraq.

[aquart]

5. Biden?

Can we be serious?

[saltpoint]

7. Hi, JG. Sorry to have missed the speech, but I know Biden is serious

about the things he cares about. No argument there.

He'd have my heart and hustle if he's the nominee although I'm kinda rooting for 5 or 6 others ahead of him in line. Still, that's not to say I didn't appreciate his firm and persuasive objections to the notorious John Bolton for U.N. nominee.

I hope we hear his voice against Bolton's nomination coming up here... it would help keep Bolton, a bloodthirsty mad man, out of a position we need a better person for.

[Catchawave]

17. As always, OC speaks for me....

...and from the heart and soul of American Politics :hi:

[saltpoint]

20. Hey Catchawave... whatever kind of alliance that can be forged against

someone like Bolton is a damned good alliance.

That guy is frightening. Freak-show frightening. Hard-boiled, one-minded, ice-hearted, lizard-souled son-of-a-handgrenade.

Biden slapped him around really well in that first hearing and along with a couple other senators, made it virtually impossible for Bolton to pass muster on the Senate floor vote. And then Dubya sneaks him in as an interim appointment.

Both Dodd and Biden could throw in again and help stop this guy.

___
Happy late July to ya. :hi:
:dem:

[karynnj]

55. Our best hope is Chaffee

All the Democrats on the committee are against Bolton (Kerry, Feingold, Boxer, Biden, Dodd, Sarbanes, Obama and Bill Nelson). There are 8 Democrats and 10 Republicans. Last time Voinivich voted against him in committee and he was sent to the Senate with no committee aproval. Chaffee voted for him.

Chaffee is up in November in liberal RI - I would imagine that it would be better for him - he's past a primary challange I think - to stand with the Democrats. (Maybe a RI person has insight.)

At any rate, the Democrats did succeesfully fillibuster him last time in the Senate.

[saltpoint]

65. Yep. Lincoln is getting squeezed from all sides in his primary race.

He might just as well stand with the Democrats on this one.

Plus, Bolton is monstrous. It would be a huge gain for the entire world to have people like John Bolton out of the sphere of the United Nations.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

60. My thoughts exactly.

Decent guy and I would support him if he was the front runner, but I have a few others (Gore) who I would rather (Gore) see on the ticket(Gore).

[C_U_L8R]

8. Joe .. is that you???

heehee....
tell us what Joe's saying !!
When Joe decides to fight .. he can whallop... wish he did it more often.

[Catchawave]

11. I've always liked Joe....

...sorry I missed this, I'll definitely look for the re-airing of this segment on C-span :hi:

[BlueEyedSon]

12. don't forget the Bankruptcy bill. nt

[acmejack]

21. I was taken to the woodshed by a DUer from Delaware

Who explained to me that she was from Delaware and worked for a CC company and Biden was her Senator and she supported them cracking down on "deadbeat americans" cause they were putting her job at risk. He was doing the work of Delaware and she didn't like me calling him Senator MNBA.

[BlueEyedSon]

34. Me too. See how money corrupts EVERYBODY.

on edit: yeah the CC companies were really suffering before that bill passed because of all the deadbeats. NOT!

[Javaman]

37. That is where he lost me completely. After he voted for the war,

I believed he was just stupid and misguided, but then he voted for the bankruptcy bill, it was then I realized that he was in the pocket of visa and master card who, oddly enough are located in Maryland. funny how that works.

Joe is the broken clock democrat. he's only correct 2 a day.

[Little Star]

14. I usually like what Biden has to say.

But, then he seems to soften his position if the wind starts blowing in the wrong direction. One minute I really like him and the next not so much. He gives me multiple personality disorder.:crazy:

[sendero]

47. Exactly..

... Biden is all over the map. He will make a great speech about something one day, and turn around and vote against it the next. There is something I believe strongly in - what someone does is more important, a lot more, than what he says.

He's as nutty as John McCain. I wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher.

[Redneck Socialist]

22. Sorry Joe

I'll have a hard time choking you down even if by some miracle you win the nomination.

[Joe Bacon]

23. I wonder how many people will be hurt by bankruptcy "reform"?

I guess the next step MBNA wants is to reestablish the Poor Farms and Poor Houses.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

26. I hope that bill isn't what it sounds like... care to furnish a link?

and I was feeling so good about America for about 7 minutes. damn :hide:

[LynneSin]

51. You do know MBNA doesn't exist anymore

Just thought I'd point that one out

[Kahuna]

25. He did a good job. A lot of, "I told you so," but still he and the

other Dems did tell them so. I'm glad he at least isn't too much of a weenie to remind people.

[Major Hogwash]

30. I agree, Joe Biden is a pretty good speaker

And would be 100 times a better president than Bush on any given day.

[MarkDevin]

31. Just watched it.

On the whole, I thought Biden gave a good speech on national security. His ideas are practical and would undoubtedly work if the Republican majority in Congress would let any of his bills pass.

On the other hand, I could have done without Biden's calling Rumsfeld honorable and decent, his descrpiton of the Bush administration as well-intentioned and patriotic, and his claiming that Dubya would put his body at risk to protect America. Nothing the administration has said or done suggests anything of the sort!

[Stinky The Clown]

32. Breezy Joe .......

.... I agree with you that he can be one hell of a great speaker. He often says all the right things and hits all the right notes.

But ......

For me, he has far too many 'I' and 'Me' staements and far too few 'Us' and 'We' statements.

Then there's the issue of walking the walk after talking the talk.

I make these comments but quickly admit to not having seen the particular speech you're citing .... unless this episode of 'Road to the White Houes' is a rerun of his last profile on that series.

[jen4clark]

33. Pretty much took the words

out of my mouth. Joe has the gift of gab, and I'm sure he's a great guy - but actions speak louder than words, and so far...

[leesa]

35. My goodness, it's funny how people fall for words in a speech. This

guy almost always craters when needed. He fully supported an illegal war for God's sake. What do we need someone like this in charge for?

[Guaranteed]

64. Biden is one of the best at it. He's very charming.

He's one of the worst in our party, though, when it comes to propping up corporations.

[Vickers]

36. Talk vs. Action

I'll take action any day.

[boolean]

38. I saw him on Bill Maher last month...

Was quite impressed with his candid talk. He doesn't seem to be afraid to say things that other Dems have easily sidestepped because they're too chicken.

[karynnj]

56. The problem is that candid in his case is not necessarilly honest

I resent that he was on shows like Maher knocking Kerry (and Feingold)'s Iraq plan saying that unlike his it didn't have a provision for diplomacy. The plan which had already been submitted to the Senate as legislation very clearly had a call for a summit - as had every Kerry plan since 2004. Kerry even explained the plan first in an op-ed that explained it well.

Biden has a different plan - Kerry and Feingold don't run around lying about Biden's plan. I have no problem with their being different plans, I do have a problem with dishonesty.

[Pithy Cherub]

39. Plagiarist, Voted for Clarence Thomas, Iraq War, Bankruptcy Bill,

Those are just some of the most god awful things he did as a senator for Delaware's corporations. Smart people will believe what he has done - not what Biden says.

Biden: :puke:

[truebrit71]

40. Absolutely agreed. He is just another piggy with his snout in the trough..

...who is wildly in love with the sound of his own voice. The most dangerous place to be is between Joe Biden and an open microphone...

He is an appeasing bush-enabler and I don't care what he says now that may sound good, he still has to atone for the sins of his past actions and inactions.

[Robeson]

54. "The most dangerous place to be ...

...is between Joe Biden and an open microphone"... :spray:

Thanks for that. I've got to remember that one...:rofl:

[KoKo]

41. Shut down Thomas hearings before witness verifying Anita Hill's experience

with Thomas could be heard. He held the hearings until 2:00 a.m. in the morning while that witness waited...then he shut them down saying it was too late at night to go further.

Biden is charming...but full of himself and Clarence Thomas was a disasterous appointment. Biden has worked with Repugs in the past to do some disasterous things.

Either he's clueless or more conservative than he appears.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

44. actually it was me that was "clueless" about Biden. my mistake...

He sounded good but EVERYTHING posted on this thread appears to be accurate. Thanks for opening my eyes. Every time I hear a good Democratic speech, I become hopeful.

My mistake fellow DUers, sorry. Biden is not the go-to-guy. I was fooled again.

Still, a little hope about the future of America felt good for a while.

[KoKo]

49. Look....he's articulate and charming. We don't have alot of Dems out

there as often as Biden is. And, not all of them are as charming as Biden. I've heard him give a couple of good speeches, too. But, then my memory goes back to all the appearances on Russert where he seemed a toady and the flash back of the Anita Hill hearings comes into my mind and it makes me ill. I was up until 2:00a.m. watching them and they are burned in my brain ...how he preened for the camera and managed to make the hearings seem a rubber stamp.

We all want our Dems to be out there giving good speeches...it's just that some of us who have been on here for awhile and have some "years on us" have learned to go beneath the surface and the pretty words with some of our Dems who don't practice what they preach.

I'm sorry if you felt "jumped on" by some posters. It's hot and lots of us are really discouraged right now. Good on You that you could feel good about what you heard and post it!

:hi:

[LynneSin]

52. YOU BETCHA - LET'S GET RID OF ALL THE JOE BIDENS IN THE SENATE

nothing like republican rule

:eyes:

Joe is a damn good senator and I have always been proud to have him represent me. He's flawed, but then again after living in PA for 8 years with Santorum as my senator - I've learned to accept the flaws

[Pithy Cherub]

58. YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF MEDIOCRITY IS YOUR PROBLEM!

[LynneSin]

59. YOUR WILLINGINESS TO ENABLE REPUBLICANS CHALLENGE ME

:D

You do realize this is a big party and not EVERYONE agrees with you. In Delaware we love Joe Biden.

[Pithy Cherub]

61. You keep the bad rubbish in Delaware.

and make sure he know's the only love for his DOOMED DOOMED DOOMED presidential run is with you. You realize its a really big country and virtually nobody agrees with you - Biden consigned to Delaware works for me!:P

[LynneSin]

62. Who said I wanted him for President

:shrug:

[Guaranteed]

63. Back to the Lounge with you, wench!

:P

Oh, I don't like Joe Biden either. :)

[Gold Metal Flake]

46. "I like you"

"You're the real deal!"

Biden at the AG Gonzales confirmation hearings.

[lojasmo]

48. That posturing pablum made me want to puke.

Biden can KEEP kissing BUsh's ass, as far as i'm concerned.