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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:38 AM
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Allen - Webb (Va. Senate)debate 1 recap - a zinger from Allen
Two articles here. The WaPo one is the best of the two though the analysis of the style leads and the reporting comes second.

I called several friends around the state-none of them knew about "Craney Island" either. Of course Allen didn't know $9Billion was missing from Iraq until Al Franken mentioned it to him.

Oh and Webb is asking directly about the permanent bases in Iraq.




Allen says his record is plus; Webb says it's the problem
http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--senatedebate0722jul22,0,6406668.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia

But Allen, a Republican former governor, used his long experience in Virginia to stump Webb, forcing an embarrassing admission from the first-time candidate that he knew nothing of a major proposed Hampton Roads port project.

Allen asked Webb to elaborate on his ideas for the proper use of the 2,500-acre manmade peninsula in Portsmouth created from mud dredged from the Elizabeth River ship channel.

Webb paused an uncomfortable moment. "I'm not sure I know where Craney Island is," he conceded. "Why don't you tell me."

"Craney Island's in Virginia," Allen replied, affecting an exasperated look as he schooled Webb on the history of the site and why it's important now. Congress is considering an expansion of the site to accommodate a major international terminal that could create thousands of jobs in Hampton Roads.

Afterward, Webb dismissed Allen's question as "a classic debate-prep thing, to find one sentence and throw it out."

Webb Isn't Fitting the Challenger Mold
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/22/AR2006072200839.html

Did he show he can stay on the same stage with Virginia's genial conservative, debating domestic and foreign policy with the commonwealth's master of the quip, a politician with a quarter-century of experience? That he did.

Did he fulfill the challenger's role of putting the incumbent on the defensive, scoring headlines and promising a furious fight to come? That he did not.

Allen, on the other hand, entertained reporters for a long time afterward. He said he would "leave it for others" to judge whether Webb had a sufficient handle on the issues, especially ones affecting Virginia, but then added, "He didn't really show a depth of knowledge."

Allen, though, didn't always seem at the top of his game. He lacked his usual delivery when he unleashed a canned line about Webb's various stints as a Democrat, then as a Republican, then back again, earning him the nickname "R2-D2." He seemed to forget what question he was answering at one point -- "Oh, the minimum wage," he finally remembered -- and he drew unintended laughter when explaining why he voted with President Bush 97 percent of the time.

"I've agreed with the president when he was right," Allen said.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:42 AM
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1. + the Richmond times-Dispatch take on it
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&%09s=1045855935264&c=MGArticle&cid=1149189323983&path=!news!politics

It was obvious that Webb, a Missouri native, had no knowledge of the effort. "I don't know what Craney Island is. Why don't you tell me?'' he said.

"Craney Island's in Virginia,'' replied Allen, who was born in California. "It's really an important issue."



When Allen answered, "I've agreed with the president when he's right," drawing laughter from the audience, Webb responded that the government didn't need identical thinkers.

"When two people agree with each other 97 percent of the time, one doesn't need a job," Webb said.

Observer: Allen takes first round
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&%09s=1045855935264&c=MGArticle&cid=1149189323975&path=!news!politics

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:43 AM
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2. Craney Island info link
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:41 AM
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4. I've lived in this area a long time
I've heard of Craney Island, but not aware of any "news" or "congressional efforts" for what's planned for it in the future !? I'm sure if you polled the area's residents, they'd reply the same as me!

Webb needs to ask Allen about Pat Robertson's private interstate exit that was porked in the Transportation Bill. 10 million dollar project for a $6,000 political contribution....not a bad investment :rofl:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:21 AM
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7. Oh yeah I forgot about that one
Nice~!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:42 AM
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8. Also, a master jet base (Oceana)is on the line
to be closed down by BRAC. Allen showed up for some photo ops with the locals, and so far has done NOTHING. John Warner's doing all the work, Allen just smiles!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:35 AM
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12. Va. Beach has screwed over Oceana the past 25 years.
All but building on the runway. I don't blame the navy for walking one bit.

Warner's been a good senator for VA.
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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:41 AM
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15. Military voters most likely know about it.
Which is a blow to Webb's attempts to court them, especially in Hampton Roads.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:22 AM
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11. I can see my house from here!
See whre the word "Portsmouth" is.... I'm across the river slightly NE from there.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:33 AM
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3. Ignorance can be corrected. Stupidity can't. Vote Webb. nt
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:05 AM
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5. What a Great Campaign Slogan
I think I'll pass it on to the Webb people.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:15 AM
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6. My thoughts exactly !
Do pass it on :hi:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:51 AM
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13. Easy now
If ignorance could be corrected, Smirk wouldn't talk about a pig roast when asked about the onset of WWIII. Maybe a different slogan is in order.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:15 PM
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16. He takes pride in being ignorant. No cure for that. nt
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:48 AM
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9. Allen is what people want to believe Bush is ...
the party line with Bush is that he is not as dumb as he seems ... Well, he IS as dumb as he seems, every bit of it ...

Allen ... He is dumb, but not post dumb ... Every now and then the neurons in his brain DO fire ...

I want to believe that Webb can make a run here, and this is an important race IF the Ds have any hope of getting a majority in the senate ...
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:03 AM
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10. My fear......
If Allen wins, he'll be a shoe-in for GOP PreZ nominee. He already has the best resume of any of the republican GOP candidates :cry:

We have to win this battle or we'll lose the WAR !

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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:26 AM
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14. Webb's mistake
Webb's mistake was not in acknowledging his unfamiliarity with the particular issue, but his acknowledging that he didn't know where Craney Island is. Even worse was asking Allen to inform him. This is a major blow to his campaign as VA voters will deduce much from it.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 03:25 PM
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17. Webb Campaign Press Release
http://www.webbforsenate.com/press/release.php?id=69

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Jeff Pyatt
jeffpyatt@webbforsenate.com
(703) 778-4080 x202
July 22, 2006
Webb Wins First Debate Against Allen
(Hot Springs, VA)—Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate Jim Webb today proved without a doubt that he deserves to replace George Felix Allen and represent Virginia in the U.S. Senate. Jim Webb and George Allen faced each other in their first debate this morning in Hot Springs, VA.

"Today’s debate only confirms that George Allen is not only bored representing everyday Virginians but he is tremendously out of touch with the issues they care about," said Webb spokesperson Kristian Denny Todd. "Jim Webb has proven he has the leadership, experience and background to effectively lead Virginia into a new era of government effectiveness and accountability."

Jim Webb and George Allen faced off in an a hour and a half long debate sponsored by the Virginia Bar Association at The Homestead in Bath County, VA.

"Today, we re-issue our challenge to George Allen to debate once a month until November," said Denny Todd. "We have many issues we want to discuss that are important to this country and to Virginia.

Today’s debate will be posted in its entirety on www.webbforsenate.com later this weekend.

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