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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:26 PM
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DLC is now calling itself "moderate", not centrist.
They need to make up their minds. I have always called myself "moderate", which to me means open-minded but commonsense. However they are changing the Democratic nomenclature again...and I will have to figure out what to call myself now.

From the DLC conference in Denver today:

Is the DLC Old Wine in a New Bottle?

"A reporter noticed that the DLC seemed not to embrace the word "centrist" anymore.

"The DLC has always believed in furthering the first principles of our party," said DLC founder Al From. "We are about promoting ideas that are progressive and are grounded in traditional Democratic values but offer new ways to further them. If that's called centrist, then we're centrist."

"But the buzzword today isn't centrist -- it's "commonsense." The DLC can't call its agenda centrist or liberal or progressive, whereas Republicans are quite comfortable calling their agendas conservative."


And from the same article, I am not sure what this means...did they or didn't they? Invite the chairman, that is. I remember he was told not to have the ideas, that the congressional Democrats would do that. Dean is really a policy wonk, so this is kind of hard to read.


A reporter pointed out that the DLC usually invites the chair of the party to speak. Said From: "We always invite the chair of the party, but the discussion here is always about ideas...." His voice trailed off.


And the Associated Press is kindly going along with them in calling that group Moderate Democrats. This kind of headline must be confusing to the average person. Is it a Democratic party group or isn't it? Does that make the rest of us radicals? Just thinking out loud.

Moderate Democrats Unveil Economic Agenda

Moderate Democrats think they have the key to winning back power in Washington and across the country _ a package of economic proposals aimed at giving every American a shot at reaching the middle class.


To their credit, the article does clarify that this is a centrist think tank, but not in the headline.

The last paragraphs show the real divisions in the party, the way Reid, Pelosi, Dean are spoken of in the article. There are some good ideas the DLC puts forth, but they tend to get lost in the rhetoric of how they are better than we are.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada, his counterpart in the House, Nancy Pelosi of California, and Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean say voters have a clear choice _ more of the same under Republicans or a new direction with Democrats in charge.

But some critics within the party have criticized those leaders in Washington, saying they have failed to articulate a clear and detailed policy platform heading into the midterm elections. Some question whether Democrats need a document like the "Contract with America," which was credited with helping Republicans seize power in 1994.

The DLC's effort to create an economic agenda began a year ago, when Vilsack asked Clinton to lead the charge and solicit ideas from political, business, labor, civic and intellectual leaders across the country. The result is what Al From, the founder of the organization, called "a set of ideas around which Democrats of all stripes can rally as we head into the fall election."

Still, he and other moderates are under no illusions that every part of the party, liberals in particular, will embrace the agenda. Said From, "My guess is that there are some people who will not be happy with the ideas."


If they would decide what to call themselves, then maybe I could start getting settled in as to what to call myself when I am taking a Zogby poll, or in having a discussion.







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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:27 PM
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1. They're not moderate or centrist.
They're corporatist.

Period.

We need to shelf the notion that they're in the middle. They're not. They're on the side of big business over working Americans.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:39 PM
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5. Right on
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:04 PM
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32. Bingo


That's correct.


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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:39 PM
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44. Your post beat me to it!
They just don't like the framing of being called "corporatist". But if they want to be considered as honest brokers in the Democratic Party, that's what they should learn to call themselves. Not that we'd want them much if they called themselves that of course...
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:42 PM
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45. Exactly
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:32 PM
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2. Maybe better PR isn't the answer this time ... nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:34 PM
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3. WP making them sound like the party itself. Headline:
Same article as above, this has to be happening on purpose.

"Democrats Have Key to Winning Back Power"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/24/AR2006072400040.html

And another headline:

"Democrats to unveil new push to take control of government"

http://www.whotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5188728&nav=2HAB

"Democrats pin hope on ‘American dream’"
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14010512/

They are not the Democratic Party, they are a think tank. These are very misleading headlines.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:19 AM
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71. Those headlines may be misleading
But they sound pretty good!

Much better than the usual "Clueless Democrats still wandering in wilderness".
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:35 PM
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4. they've always called themselves moderates
..and have been called "moderates" by the left. Go ahead. Google it.

Just because you've (lately) started calling yourself a moderate doesn't mean you have exclusive dibs on the term.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:39 PM
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7. LOL...I thought they were progressives. So I quit calling myself that.
Why do you hate it that I call myself a moderate? It does seem to annoy you no end.

I am pretty liberal in most ways, but not in all. Do you have a word I could use?

And when did they start claiming to be the party, or encouraging reporters to say so?

Sneaky sneaky.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:43 PM
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8. so, define these terms... LOL!
Why do you hate it that I call myself a moderate?

I don't. I just hate when people use any term (liberal, progressive, moderate) to the exclusion of others. And you did just recently begin referring to yourself as a moderate.

Oh, look! Here's The Nation calling the DLC "moderates."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990308/lafferty
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:49 PM
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10. They are not being honest about who they are.
They are masquerading as the party. Remember the Denver Post article that called them the Democratic Party?

Sure they clarify it in the body of the article, but the headline has already done the job.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:51 PM
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12. oh, look! Here they are in 1997 calling themselves "moderates"
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 01:58 PM by wyldwolf
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=2552&kaid=103&subid=110

They are not being honest about who they are.

Interesting, though, that in the OP, you said, "I have always called myself 'moderate'"

...yet in post #7, you said you quit calling yourself a progressive. Hmmm...

Bet it never occured to you that "moderate" and "centrist" are essentially the same thing and can be used interchangebly:

cen·trist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sntrst)
n.
One who takes a position in the political center; a moderate.

adj.
Marked by or adhering to a moderate political view:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:57 PM
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15. Always word games, mental exercises....not real thought.
That's sad. No sense engaging for word games. They are appearing to now be running from the word centrist.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:02 PM
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17. always a cop out
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 02:04 PM by wyldwolf
Oh now the DLC is calling themselves moderates and not centrists! Oh my! Even though they've always called themselves moderates and the two terms mean the exact same thing, I won't let that fact get in the way of a perfectly good exercise in obsessiveness. Ya know, I've ALWAYS called myself a moderate except when I called myself a progressive... LOL!
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:06 PM
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19. Marshall Wittmann faxed over all the latest talking points, huh?
You guys cal yourselves whatever you want, we all know who you really are. And it certainly isn't us.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:09 PM
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20. you call the dictionary "talking points?'' LOL!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:36 AM
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73. Yeah, the slimey dlc gets
their talking points outta the dictionary just like rove does.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:18 PM
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75. wow! Websters is a neo-con. Who would have thought it!
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #19
49. Observe as the ever-milquetoast band of BullMoose worshipers
check in and confirm how divorced from mainstream Democrat ideals they really are.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:55 PM
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14. "I thought they were progressives so I quit calling myself that."
:rofl: :thumbsup:

that was a good one, madfloridian.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:01 PM
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16. Yep, that old Progressive Policy Institute, side by side with DLC.
http://www.ppionline.org/index.cfm

They are the foreign policy wing of the think tank.

They are just trying to confuse me about who I am, I think.
:dilemma:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:02 PM
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18. "I've always been a moderate... except when I was a progressive"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:09 PM
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22. WW, just call me anything. If the DLC can do it, so can I.
:rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:11 PM
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23. ok, we're in agreement on THAT...
..although your OP is still factually challenged.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:49 PM
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9. I've always been a moderate.
I used to support many candidates who are DLC - and then I got over it because I started looking at their votes and positions and how it effected working Americans, adversely.

Their voting history over the past 10 years proves to me that they're not moderate - they're corporatist - and that's not what this left-leaning moderate finds good for this country.

One can be a solid moderate Democrat without selling the country off to benefit big business, you know.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:39 PM
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6. I have some adjectives, too
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 01:39 PM by Jack Rabbit
Anyone who supports a failed war because he fears that a more reasonable stand will make him (and any one else associated with him) look weak on national security is not moderate or centrist, but wimpy.

That's a word that has to do with one's character, not one's politics.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:50 PM
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11. The are neither centrist NOR moderate...
not in any sense of either of those two words. The sooner we all face that, the sooner we can all get on the same page in opposing them, their candidates, their issues, their values, and the corprations that want them in power.

TC
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 01:55 PM
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13. they are irrelevant
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 02:03 PM by AtomicKitten
They have fought Howard Dean every step of the way.

Purposely alienating Dean and entire factions of the Democratic body isn't smart and certainly isn't conducive to a coherent, cohesive strategy.

They have rendered themselves moot.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:09 PM
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21. DLC is now calling itself "moderate". Good move I say.
In my opinion The DLC is our best bet in taking our Country back in 2006 & 2008.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:44 PM
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58. Four is the charm, eh?
Cuz those "me too" "moderates" sure did screw up the last 3 election cycles- I sure dont remember who the lefty or Liberal strategists were.

I myself see nothing "moderate" about far-right positions.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:23 PM
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24. The New Coke Democrats from the DLC
really don't get the problem - them. Those that willingly bought into America the Empire shouldn't be in charge of anything - too much is at stake. Until the DLC admits their complicity in the Bush Iraq debacle and other horrifying enablements, they have no shreds of credibility remaining to clothe themselves. Let alone tell others what they should believe or call themselves. :eyes:

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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:42 PM
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25. LOL
"New Coke Democrats" :D
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MontanaMaven Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:23 PM
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52. Or The Edsel
Another loser model. Another loser ad campaign like New Coke, I agree.
And they are all so dull. New Coke with no fizz.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 03:01 PM
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26. WE are the centrists, dammit
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 03:03 PM by Capn Sunshine
I just refuse to buy into the meme that the DLC is "centrist" and NOW they are co-opting the word "moderate" in a deliberate attempt to frame anyone opposed to them as radical

Isn't being divorced from the reality of your party's core values pretty radical? Not to them, these fringe right wingers are going to spin this until they become irrelevant. How long before they start calling themselves "Jeffersonian"?


What's next, the flag burning amendment?
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 03:09 PM
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27. Thom Hartmann calls himself "the radical middle" and he's AWESOME..
Not sure how many here listen to his program on AAR, but he rocks!

I don't give a crap what the leftie, centrist, or middle-ground Democrats refer to themselves by.

I just want =DEMOCRATS= to kick the low-life, dirtball, bottom feeder ReTHUGS out!!

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. oh, yeah
A thorough trouncing is in order, a project we can all work on together I hope.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 03:53 PM
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30. yeah, as one of the bloggers said at OAC site today
The DLC is as full of s**t as a constipated elephant.

There's an excellent diary on Kos about DLC written by Iddybud.
Iddybud makes a point that some of us here are saying:

In my book, he's off base. As a liberal blogger who is moderate on many issues, I object to the DLC's divisive nature among members of their own party. The Republicans have understood for a good, long time that you keep your party and your message as united as you can and that's how you win elections (with the help of their pals at Diebold).

Here's the link if you wish to read more:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/24/123021/920




John Edwards Keynote Address at Brussels Forum in Brussels,
May 2006 (photo courtesy of OAC)
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:01 PM
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31. In case you didn't know....
Edwards is DLC.

TC
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:05 PM
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33. He wasn't invited this year, according to the article.
Not sure who else was. Apparently some of the 08 possibles were and some were not.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:07 PM
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34. That's excellent news!
Especially for those of us who DEPLORE the DLC as I do. I'm really happy, actually, to hear that, because I had heard about a month ago that he WOULD be speaking there.

Well, good news all around.

TC
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:14 PM
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36. Edwards is not a member of the DLC
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 04:15 PM by ultraist
http://illinois062006.mydd.com/story/2006/5/27/55951/1586

Nor does he agree with many of the positions of the DLC. Edwards is very anti-big corp. For example, he's done extensive work supporting Unions, much to the dismay of big corps. Edwards is a populist.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:16 PM
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37. You are only listed if you are in office.
Edwards was, Dean was. Many are.

There is nothing wrong with being a member if that person stands up for what the party should be standing for.

My main gripe has been with the leadership of the group, always. A few members who always toe the line do annoy me.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:28 PM
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40. Right
And Kerry was. Both Kerry and Edwards disassociated themselves quite a bit from the DLC during the last campaign. Edwards has also spoken recently about how 'moving to the center' is not going to work for Democrats. I'm sure Dean agrees that Democrats need to have some backbone and stay true to our core values. Unfortunately, this is not a goal of the DLC.

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:28 PM
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41. That's right.. that list is only "active/in office"
There's a full list somewhere on their website .. :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:09 PM
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35. I found the statement and the link.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/07/names_and_faces.html

** New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin is back in the good graces of the DLC; he's among the most recognizable public officials here and is regularly greeted by backslaps and handshakes.

** Where is ex-Sen. John Edwards? He wasn't invited, but don’t read too much into that. “If we had turned this into a presidential beauty contest, we wouldn’t have been able to get anything else done," says DLC founder Al From."
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:21 PM
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39. He's not part of that group anymore, as far as I know
Don't you love it when the head of the DLC has to make a comment about someone's appearance instead of his/her political views? That is so old school. I guess intelligent politicians with backbone who happen to take care of themselves get these kinds of snarks.


Wonder if Frum would be willing to shave his head in solidarity with his spouse when she was undergoing chemo treatments for breast cancer?

http://www.dailycomet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060722/APN/607220542

I'm glad JRE wasn't invited to Denver. He and Elizabeth are class acts and would not say that about someone else.

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:31 PM
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42. Outta curiosity, did they create a list of attendees?
Sorry if it's already on here and I skimmed by it somehow..

~~~~~~~~
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #42
48. The only place I have seen anything is at the Hotline blog.
I think I put the link above.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:18 PM
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38. Yuppers Benny, TC is right..
Edwards is DLC..

That's why I don't partake in the --> between the varying degrees of the "big tent" party.

There's plenty about every Democrat I agree and disagree with.

But in the end, they all beat Republicans 110%!
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machka Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:26 PM
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67. I'm thinking...
that perhaps past tense is more appropriate. Edwards was DLC. He's been distancing himself since, and that can only be a good thing (IMNSHO).
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MontanaMaven Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:34 PM
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54. Hartmann is a genius
He's my favorite for context and I love "The Young Turks" for best overall passionate program.
I use the "radical middle" a lot. Or how about this: Thomas Jefferson said it always comes down to two sides; the Aristocrats and the Democrats. There are those who believe in the ability of the people to govern and those who don't. Francis Moore Lappe calls it the democrats and the anti-democrats in her great new book "Democracy's Edge". I call myself a Liberaltarian. That seems to work too. Oh, and Tom Paine said "Moderation in temper always, but moderation in principle, never."
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 03:41 PM
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29. How "moderate" is this? --
Answering the Call--DLC asks Democrats to talk about Religion in America

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x82774

People are DYING. People are STARVING. War are RAGING everywhere. There is NO Universal Healthcare. There is NO universal Headstart. NOLA is still more than 2/3 unrebuilt a year after Katrina. A Woman's Right to Choose is under attack. There is no longer a Constitutional Right to Vote. Diebold and paperless voting still hasn't been dealt with. There is no Universal access to the Civil Right of Marriage. Bush and his governement LIE us into War. The Middle East is IN FLAMES. The deficit is in record territory for the fourth year in a row. Out COnstitution is being eroded by illegal power grabs by Bush and CO. And on, and on, and on.

WHY DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT RELIGION??????????????????????????????????????????

GMAFB!

TC
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:37 PM
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43. They're right on one point
We indeed need a new "contract". In fact we need a newly framed ideology: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/alvarezadams/3
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:45 PM
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46. Nothing more than lipstick on a pig.
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 05:35 PM by LincolnMcGrath
And for the record, Vilsack's latest job saving plan involved building a $100 million dollar plant and giving it to the company to keep them here in Ia.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:48 PM
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47. The DLC IS moderate AND centrist.......
.....hell, conservative has moved SO FAR TO THE RIGHT that it makes it a correct statement by almost any definition. Moderate/centrist? Liberal/progressive? Changing in "nomenclature" seems to happen quite often in politics these days. Conservative/evangelical Christian/right-wing extremist Nazi's/Fascists Beyond Belief...Of course, I like John Dean's "authoritarian conservatives".
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MontanaMaven Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:37 PM
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55. Yes, John Dean's authoritarian conservatives
or authoritarian moderates or authoritarians period. They're bossy and have old and stale ideas to boot.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:42 PM
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57. Don't forget there are on here a few authoritarian........
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 06:42 PM by NativeTexan
....liberals....by the way........WELCOME TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND!!!!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:46 PM
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59. No, they are just right-leaning. Why allow them to shift the spectrum?
By doing so, perfectly rational, moderate, centrist positions like NOT supporting multi-billion dollar wars based on lies becomes "far left."
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:08 AM
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68. That is caused by theo-conservatism going farther right than......
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 07:08 AM by NativeTexan
....Adolf Hitler. I don't, and never have, supported this "multi-billion dollar war". Those in Congress that do, MOSTLY got bullied and lied to when they took that position. I only wish those folks would ADMIT there error and move on, instead of fearing that the right will paint them as "I voted for it before I voted against it" flipfloppers. Being wrong isn't a problem. Being stupid IS.

And those "centrists" and a few known as liberals before that vote, are just DEAD WRONG in continuing this charade!!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:03 PM
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50. They still don't have any good ideas, though
Other than slick marketing, they don't have much else.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:52 PM
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51. Mussolini was "moderate" when compared to Hitler
Haven't we heard of Newspeak before?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:25 PM
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53. Next they will call themselves "Fair and Balanced" ROFLMAO
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:42 PM
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56. What is "centrist" about supporting the far-right and George Bush?
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 06:42 PM by Dr Fate
And what is moderate about it, for that matter?
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:23 PM
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63. Nothing!

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:47 PM
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60. I am now calling myself
"grandma." You know: the really nice little old lady who just wants you to bring her a basket of goodies when she's not feeling well.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:53 PM
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61. Yes- and I shall be called "Frankenstein"
No real reason, I just like the sound of it.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:11 AM
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69. have you convened a focus group on your name change?
You have to have a focus group.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:07 PM
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76. Yes- and like the DLC, I did it well over a year ago. n/t
n/t
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:13 PM
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62. It's worth supporting the DLC just to annoy you, floridian
So tell us, what IS the mighty difference between centrist and moderate. They seem to me two ways of saying the same thing.

"This kind of headline must be confusing to the average person. Is it a Democratic party group or isn't it? Does that make the rest of us radicals? Just thinking out loud. "
Geeze, here on earth, the average person isn't sitting around wondering whether Hillary Clinton and Tom Vilsack are Democrats. And they find the DLC's proposals pretty much in line with their own thinking.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:43 PM
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64. They should be thinking about it if they aren't, Benchley.
It is vital that they know the ins and outs of the party now. It is why we are stuck in Iraq with little hope of a way to fix it.

Actually, I do agree with quite a few of the things they propose. My gripe is with their attitude toward the people of the party, which is exacerbated by having someone like Bull Moose calling us names all the time...making fun of us.

If they were serious about joining together with the party, they would not have his blog considered part of their group. They would not have Al From and Will Marshall talking about us as if we did not count.

Here are some examples:

This is Will Marshall writing in the Guardian about Gore, Kerry, and Dean in not a very complimentary way.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/101

And the fringe activist label I am still trying to get over.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/62

I did not even post the insults from Bull Moose today.

Getting along works both ways. There are many good ideas there, but they are not the party...they should not lay claim to it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:12 AM
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70. Between you and the DLC, I'll stick with the DLC
"My gripe is with their attitude toward the people of the party"
That's so richly hypocritical, I can't do anything but guffaw....
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MarkDevin Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:02 PM
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78. "It's worth supporting the DLC just to annoy you."
Here's a perfect example of why so many people don't take DU (or the Democratic Party) seriously.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:44 PM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:48 PM
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66. Now I have to quit saying I have common-sense.
Doggone it, they just keep taking my words away.

:rofl:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:30 AM
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72. Thomas Paine's "Common Sense"
If they read that they might go faint and look for a better words like "just plain simple harmless folk who are friends with everyone".

It is like asking someone to embrace a jellyfish that unfortunately has those poisonous stingers.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:36 AM
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74. I am not going to "rally" around "free" trade
The DLC is out of touch if they think off-shoring jobs is how to reestablish the Democratic Party with swing voters that have not been voting our way.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:59 PM
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77. They can call themselves "Fred" - but they'd still all be right wing hacks
at best.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 11:58 AM
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79. They can call themselves "Fred"
Thank You! That was :rofl: funny
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