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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:43 PM
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More troops in Iraq now? Doesn't that mess up the November plans?
I think Maliki gave Il Dunce an ultimatum; either put more troops in, or I will declare that a civil war is happening and disappoint all your minions. We KNOW a civil war is happening, but the lesser of two evils for the cabal is to commit more troops. After all, THAT won't affect them.

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:51 PM
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2. Sy Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact



Gardiner estimated that at least four hundred targets would have to be hit. He added:

I don’t think a U.S. military planner would want to stop there. Iran probably has two chemical-production plants. We would hit those. We would want to hit the medium-range ballistic missiles that have just recently been moved closer to Iraq. There are fourteen airfields with sheltered aircraft. . . . We’d want to get rid of that threat. We would want to hit the assets that could be used to threaten Gulf shipping. That means targeting the cruise-missile sites and the Iranian diesel submarines. . . . Some of the facilities may be too difficult to target even with penetrating weapons. The U.S. will have to use Special Operations units.

One of the military’s initial option plans, as presented to the White House by the Pentagon this winter, calls for the use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, against underground nuclear sites. One target is Iran’s main centrifuge plant, at Natanz, nearly two hundred miles south of Tehran. Natanz, which is no longer under I.A.E.A. safeguards, reportedly has underground floor space to hold fifty thousand centrifuges, and laboratories and workspaces buried approximately seventy-five feet beneath the surface. That number of centrifuges could provide enough enriched uranium for about twenty nuclear warheads a year. (Iran has acknowledged that it initially kept the existence of its enrichment program hidden from I.A.E.A. inspectors, but claims that none of its current activity is barred by the Non-Proliferation Treaty.) The elimination of Natanz would be a major setback for Iran’s nuclear ambitions, but the conventional weapons in the American arsenal could not insure the destruction of facilities under seventy-five feet of earth and rock, especially if they are reinforced with concrete.

There is a Cold War precedent for targeting deep underground bunkers with nuclear weapons. In the early nineteen-eighties, the American intelligence community watched as the Soviet government began digging a huge underground complex outside Moscow. Analysts concluded that the underground facility was designed for “continuity of government”—for the political and military leadership to survive a nuclear war. (There are similar facilities, in Virginia and Pennsylvania, for the American leadership.) The Soviet facility still exists, and much of what the U.S. knows about it remains classified. “The ‘tell’ ”—the giveaway—“was the ventilator shafts, some of which were disguised,” the former senior intelligence official told me. At the time, he said, it was determined that “only nukes” could destroy the bunker. He added that some American intelligence analysts believe that the Russians helped the Iranians design their underground facility. “We see a similarity of design,” specifically in the ventilator shafts, he said.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:52 PM
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3. According to what I saw/heard it's not more troops
but a re-arrangement of troops already in Iraq re-deployed to Baghdad. :shrug:
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:52 PM
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4. Where does anyone say that MORE troops are going in?
And I don't mean the rest of the Kuwaiti reserve. I mean troops outside the theatre. As I see it this is a re-deployment, and nothing in the NY Times article on this shows me otherwise.

And that's a grim article btw. What it screams to me is that we're entering the endgame in Iraq, way ahead of schedule...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:19 PM
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7. Il Dunce said it today in a photo op. nt
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:41 PM
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8. If he said more troops for Bagdhad it's technically true and all.
Just saying. Because I don't know what he said at the photo op exactly except what the papers reported.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:50 PM
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9. Sorry. From what I'm aware of, Il Dunce concurs with the head shed of Iraq
and the head shed of the military. they've decided that more troops are the way to go.

I FUCKING don't agree, but until that right is taken from me, I'll embrace it.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:53 PM
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10. There's an NY Times story on this that explains better.
Sorry I don't have the link handy but, the gist is, aside from the rest of the reserve in Kuwait, which had the other part of that reserve headed to Anbar, they're not new troops in the sense they come from outside of Iraq. Instead of continuing to reinforce Anbar (Sunni Triangle) they're going to reinforce Bagdhad instead, which said head shed of Iraq tried to control and couldn't.

Bottom line: it's desperate.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:53 PM
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5. I believe they are just shifting around resources but
it will make it impossible for a troop 'draw down' and you can bet that the areas they pull these troops from will become the next 'hotbed' of civil war activity.

These clowns in DC haven't a clue.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:17 PM
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6. Remember when they talked about quelling the hot spots?
The good old days. Now the whole country is a hot spot.

WTF is the plan, Bush? Why isn't Congress demanding a frickin plan? Do they ALL own Halliburton stock or what? Our government is made up of a pathetic bunch of self-absorbed asses. If I get one more fund raising call, email or letter I am going to blow my cork. They need to work on the crisis that is here.
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