Stop calling us the "chattering nutroots", Bull Moose. Getting serious.

[madfloridian]

There is not going to be any effort on my part for sure to try and understand and make peace with the DLC as long as Bull Moose is one of their 3 official bloggers. There will be no coming together. I am limiting my options for presidential candidate to Kerry or Edwards or Feingold, and anyone else who is distancing themselves from this group.

The very fact that this continues day after day after day is deliberate. It is just as deliberate as the memos from them in 03 which called us fringe activists for being anti-war.

The Brand

The Moose has returned from Denver and the DLC National Conversation with his antlers re-charged. It was truly refreshing talking issues, ideas and politics with leaders from across America. It was particularly enlightening to hear from legislators who represent "red" districts that are generally right of center.

Many of these "red" Dems are in the South, but not all of them are there. The Moose also chatted with some who reside in places as distinct as Minnesota and New Hampshire. They had a similar complaint about the "brand" of the national Democratic party.

Fairly or unfairly, in many parts of the country, the national Democrats are perceived as ultra-liberal, secular and hostile to religious folks and weak on defense. And the Hollywood set and chattering nutroots don't help matters, at all.

What will have a disastrous impact on the national Democrat brand is the defeat of its former Vice-Presidential standard bearer and one of its most visible leaders on social and national security issues. The Republicans will long-exploit a lefty triumph as an example of the Democrats saying "no" to tradionalist, hawkish Americans.

The party will survive and thrive even if Lieberman loses. He is not God, and no one is exempt from a primary opponent.

And yesterday he called us "enraged chattering keyboarders." He and the leaders of the DLC (I exempt many members and respect them)...seem to think that the best way to get us to leave the party and turn it all over to them is to insult us every day. It just makes me stronger.

From Denver:

Mountain Moose

The Moose is grazing today at the DLC's National Conversation in Denver. It is an invigorating experience. Hundreds of state officials are present and they are discussing and thinking about concrete proposals to change America.

This isn't a confab of enraged chattering keyboarders, but these thoughtful leaders are making an actual difference for America. What is particularly positive about this gathering is that it is positive. Pretty unusual for American politics these days.

If you are looking for barn burning partisan rhetoric and righteous rage, you would be disappointed. But, if you are seeking innovative ideas to transform America, Denver is the place. The focus here is not singing to the choir, but rather how to persuade the unconverted.

My country is on the verge of collapsing, so you take your "positive" and put it where the sun don't shine. I am a proud " enraged chattering keyboarder", but we are also active in our party, kind considerate people, and making a difference in our own way. We work hard on the ground here, and we are building our party again in this state where the Supreme Court took our voting rights away in 04. I am not "positive" right now, I have righteous anger.

The DLC leaders need to have a chat with this guy who is not even a Democrat, doesn't even pretend to be, and tell him to lay off or try to be nicer.

[LincolnMcGrath]

1. I predict a pack of rabid BullMoose worshipers will spit vitriol and

voodoo curses on you for daring to question the Great One!

[Capn Sunshine]

2. Well, Ghandi and all that

Some tony wordsmith came up with the phrase "chattering keyboarder" and probably charged them a fortune. Yet, many of us are real world activists who also communicate without the help of corporate sponsorships and all, just prefer email and posts.

We've gotten their attention. Now we flex our muscles.
Even if Ned doesn't win, we've given those pontificating curmudgeons an object lesson in money, organization, and power.

Sic Semper tyrannis!

[madfloridian]

3. They can not believe we do things in the real world.

Such a shame.

Your group there is more active, but we are staying together and doing the Reunion thing as a joint effort of the party and the DFA on Saturday. Hard to get things going here, but we try.

[IndianaGreen]

4. Marshall Wittman, aka Bull Moose, want to Republicanize the Democratic

Party so that his buddies that he worked with in the 2000 McCain campaign feel comfortable enough to join this new party.

[OzarkDem]

16. Why don't they just stay with the GOP

where they're happier, I'm sure. I don't get it. Wouldn't it be far easier to stay with their own party than try to recreate the same at the Dem Party?

[IndianaGreen]

41. They don't like the fundies

that's what this is all about.

[MrBenchley]

5. How tragic that people can say things YOU don't agree with

Good thing we don't live in a free country, or anything like that.....(snicker)

And "chattering nutroots" is pretty kind in describing the far left.

"you take your "positive" and put it where the sun don't shine"
Funny how enraged some people get whenever the Democrats' chances improve. The higher we go ni the polls, the more outraged the far left gets.

[eridani]

6. Bull Moose is a vicious sociopathic cheerleader for mass murder

Corporations are the only real "people" to him. Most of us who are just surviving day to day are just disposable human garbage to him, and anyone outside of our borders is even lower than that.

[MrBenchley]

7. And yet he had only the nicest things to say about you

And he's right about the "chattering nutroots"....

[wyldwolf]

8. "Left Rage," while always shrill and illogical, reaches a fever pitch...

...every year at about this time.

It coincides with elections and the fact that the DLC gets lots of media attention with the annual convention - a gathering the press usually calls a gathering of Democrats.

I tracked the relative level of anti-DLC shrillness to their convention last year on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1970596

Like children, the left have to act out to get attention for themselves.

[ShortnFiery]

9. "Left Rage" LOL! ... We will have to show you at the ballot box. eom

[wyldwolf]

11. what? You're going to cause Democrats to lose like Nader did?

Just to teach us a lesson?

[ShortnFiery]

12. Nader didn't CAUSE the democrats to lose.

However, I will not vote for either neo-conservatives nor neo-liberals.

Nope, pandering war mongers being washed out is more important than "The Party."

My Country is far more important than supporting pandering politicians all for the sake of "The Party." :(

[wyldwolf]

13. YES he did

My Country is far more important than supporting pandering politicians all for the sake of "The Party."

Ah. The Lieberman maneuver.

[ShortnFiery]

14. Don't put words into my mouth.

The Democratic Party is pandering to the right politically. Shame on you for you know better. However, the DLC democrats IMO do NOT act much different than RW Republicans.

Attack the individual. How lovely.

Again, see you at the ballot box. That is all that you understand. :(

[wyldwolf]

18. Don't have to. you said it quite plainly

[LoZoccolo]

21. Zell Miller said something similar as well.

It was during his famous traitorous speech at the 2004 Republican National Convention.

[LoZoccolo]

22. Found it!

I thought it was "country", but he said "family":

The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/01/politics/main640299.shtml

[Dr Fate]

51. Is Lieberman going to support & endorse Lamont if he wins?

Or is he going to attempt to cause Democrats to lose, like Nader?

[eridani]

10. Right. While the "adults" continue to fuck everyone else over. n/t

[OzarkDem]

17. Left boredom is more like it

Don't flatter yourself. The DLC is like an annoying fly that keeps buzzing around. Where is that flyswatter?

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

27. Where did they do that? n/t

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

32. Why would they do that?

I'm serious; I'd like an explanation if you're capable of giving one rather than these two-line drive-bys you're fond of.

No one would listen to them anyways, and it would cost money.

[LincolnMcGrath]

34. I have no clue what you are talking about.

seriously

[LoZoccolo]

35. Why would the DLC send operatives to frequent DU?

The charge you made here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2742195&mesg_id=2742986

Unless I'm mistaken that that's what you were saying. Then I have no clue what you are talking about.

[LincolnMcGrath]

36. Sorry, but you are mistaken.

[LoZoccolo]

37. So what were you saying? n/t

[LincolnMcGrath]

38. Read the last sentence of the post I replied to. Then re-read my reply.

If you still have questions, check back later. :hi:

[madfloridian]

24. I do have rage. Why don't you?

You and the Bull Moose enjoy making fun of the people in the party who want the Democrats to stand up against things like Iraq, an invasion that has taken us to the brink.

Your tactics, just like those of Bull Moose, are to attempt to humiliate and put down those who speak out.

Not a single one of our Democrats are daring to speak out about the civilians dying in Iraq or Lebanon. They do not have the courage to buck the media outcry and their own party as well.

I believe it is because of the DLC that we got to this point in our country. I blame them for it.

[Dr Fate]

43. How about when the DLC tried to convince everyone to support the war?

That was a real winner, no?

It was also the DLC types in '02 that told us all not to criticse Bush or point out his FP mis-steps.

It was the DLC types who think that accusing Bush of dishonesty would "turn off voters" and puts the nation in "peril."

Right-leaning politicians are wrong on the issues. No matter how many times moderates & lefties have been correct, it is still labeled "left rage" by the right.

You can call it "left rage" all you want- but the right is wrong on the war, wrong on the economy, wrong on most everything.

"The Angry, far left" and true moderates were right to not trust them then, and lefties & moderates are right not to trust conservatives now.

[madfloridian]

45. They wrote an article called "Good Night, Vietman"....

in which they blasted those of us who opposed the war. They said we needed to get over Vietnam, and look ahead to a whole new war.

[Dr Fate]

49. Plus they were all over DU repeating media & GOP talking points.

I remember arguing with those guys all the time.

They were saying the same crap about WMDs, Saddam is evil, etc.

Of course, when 2004 came around, all that DLC "strategy" did for us was set us up as "flip-floppers." It did not help us win at all- and it hurt our country.

[Clark2008]

57. I would like to ask them how I could get over something I

never experienced.

I was 2 years old when Vietnam ended; therefore, I have nothing to "get over."

No, dear DLCers (not you, mad), it is not necessary for me to get over Vietnam. It is necessary to stop a war created for oil and military-industrial rebuilding awards ranging in the mega-millions.

[karynnj]

58. He really showed his tru colors with that one

That was NOT written by someone who should be able to call himself a Democrat.

[MrBenchley]

59. And when we actually read the article we find...

That your claims of what it says are a steaming pantload. (I struggle to contain my surprise)

"Antiwar Democrats are entitled to their opinions. In fact, we share most of their concerns about the Bush Administration diplomacy that has made the drive to disarm Iraq such a lonely endeavor for the United States and the United Kingdom, without letting those concerns obscure the national interest in toppling Saddam. But antiwar Democrats do not have the right toclaim, as Dean often does, that opposing the war is a matter of fidelity to Democratic tradition, or that antiwar Democrats represent "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."
The truth is that there's an enduring tradition of Democratic support for the principled use of force that predated and survived the tragedy of the Vietnam War. It was built by Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy, whopracticed and preached a muscular internationalism, often exercised over the protests of isolationist Republicans. This is the tradition that President Bill Clinton sought to revive, and that led him to lead NATO to military action in Kosovo, again over the protests of neo-isolationist Republicans. It supports active diplomacy, collective security and multilateral institutions, not in order to surrender our country's right to act on its principles, but because good allies and strong institutions of international law make us stronger as well. And it's the tradition that was reflected in a Congressional use-of-force resolution that demanded the Administration take its case against Saddam to the United Nations while preserving America's right to enforce international law against Iraq alone if necessary.
Some aging baby boomers may continue to view every military conflict as areprise of the big war of their youth, and some politicians may opportunistically offer them a sort of battleground reenactment of the protests they fondly remember. But for the rest of us, the Vietnam War is long over, and it's time to reassert Democratic internationalism for a new era. "

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=131&subid=192&contentid=251439

Damned if I see support for the war there....but then I also don't see who but the truly demented could object to that, either.

[w4rma]

62. How's your campaign of banning all the guns in the US going, MrBenchley?

Gun grabbing is another political loser given to us by the losers at the DLC who needed something other than economics to campaign on.

[MrBenchley]

70. LOL!

Yeah, you triggerhappy boboes stick with "winners" like these....they're exactly your speed.

[Dr Fate]

78. Like the DLC stuck with them in invading Iraq?

????

[MrBenchley]

80. Get a clue sometime

[Dr Fate]

82. So the DLC was opposed to Cheney's invasion of Iraq?

I thought some of them supported it.

[Dr Fate]

63. I see war support right here: "the national interest in toppling Saddam."

Check the very first sentence of the article, in fact. Clear as day.

I see support for war & the far-right propaganda when someone claims we have a "national interest in toppling Saddam" and a "drive to disarm Iraq."

Is there a different way besides supporting war to topple Saddam that the DLC may have been suggesting?

Oh- and about disarming Iraq- Bush & the DLC were wrong on that- he had nothing, just like we all tried to tell you guys.

[MrBenchley]

71. Yeah, there's that far left honesty....

" In fact, we share most of their concerns about the Bush Administration diplomacy that has made the drive to disarm Iraq such a lonely endeavor for the United States and the United Kingdom, without letting those concerns obscure the national interest in toppling Saddam."

Your post shows in spades whty the DLC's essay is right on the money.

[Dr Fate]

76. Then what do they mean by "national interest in toppling Saddam."

Are they saying there IS a National Interest in toppling him or are they saying there is not a national interest in toppling him?

Do they mean there is some other way we should have toppled him- other than invading?

Are you saying the DLC never supported the invasion?

Does disagreeing with you make me far-left? What issues are you talking about that makes me "far-left?"

[madfloridian]

65. "reassert Democratic internationalism "

Now Benchley that is what Iraq was all about wasn't it? We sure as hell reasserted our "internationalism".

Guess if you are going to be insulting to me again, I will have drag out my fringe activist stuff.

[Dr Fate]

66. It appears like he did not read the 1st sentence in his own article.

Which clearly states that toppling Saddam is in our national interest.

[MrBenchley]

79. Yeah, but it appears you read only the first sentence

and then went off into fantasyland.

[MrBenchley]

73. Wow....thanks for demonstrating the truth of the essay

in spades.

"Guess if you are going to be insulting to me again, I will have drag out my fringe activist stuff. "
Which will be different than your usual dreary crap how, exactly?

[madfloridian]

67. He called Kucinich the "Unclaimed Freight Outlet" of the party.

Nice that you see nothing wrong with that insult. I guess I need to dig up the 203 memos from Al and Will that even Howard Fineman laughed at. Talk about steaming pantloads? Oh come on Benchley. He gravely insulted Kucinich. He said forget about Vietnam.

Ok, on my way to organize the memos they put out about Dean and us.


"Come home, America," said Kucinich to the National Newspaper Association on March 20. "Come home and fix your broken streets and mend your broken dreams.... Come home and establish a living wage.... Come home and provide single payer, guaranteed health care for the forty-one million Americans who suffer illness without relief.... Come home and provide guaranteed social security for generations to come without privatization and without extending the retirement age, which would be devastating for minorities.... Come home and make non-violence an organizing principle within our society through the creation of a Department of Peace, America!"

The Kucinich campaign is sort of the Unclaimed Freight Outlet of Democratic politics, retailing every failed or outdated lefty idea with a fierce and touching passion."

[MrBenchley]

69. A perfect description of Kucinich it is, too....

"He gravely insulted Kucinich."
Big fucking deal. Kucinich is a pimple. Not even the Ohio voters think of him as anything but a joke.

Don't you ever ask yourself why America DOESN'T come home to Dennis and his dreary far left compadres?

[OzarkDem]

15. The DLC still haven't come up w/ any good ideas

all marketing, no substance.

[mod mom]

64. What about NAFTA and all those benefits for corporations?

Didn't that help the middle class prosper by making our playing fields fair for companies who hire workers for 33 cents/hour without benefits and environmental regulations?

:sarcasm:

[Zodiak]

19. Innovative ideas

The DLC has no innovative ideas. "Me too" is not an innovative idea, it is parroting the pukes.

[LoZoccolo]

20. Netroots barely do anything but complain; I would agree with that notion.

For more information, look at any one of my "get involved" threads.

And rarely anyone I see at real events has ever been on DU.

[LincolnMcGrath]

28. Your 'get involved' threads are a weak measure of anything but your

personality.

As a member of the Iowa forums here on DU I would like to be the first to tell you that your assertion is nonsense.

Iowa Netroots
pstans, Debi, Hardrada, MaggieSwanson, Bluzmann57, IA_Seth, rurallib, justgamma, CornField, Counciltucky, BrokeDad, (and many others)
are all very involved Democrats. With a strong showing at St Conventions, District Central Committees, County Central Committees, civic exhibits, rallies, county fairs, Precinct Leaders, and special events like the recent Feingold visit, and on and on.

A ton of Illinois Democrats were over here in Iowa during the Kerry campaign, where were you? We needed your help!

[LoZoccolo]

50. I worked in Stoughton Wisconsin in 2004. n/t

[Dr Fate]

47. Meanwhile, Bullmoose was working for Jerry Fawell & John McCain.

Shit- where was Moosey when I raised over 30 grand for Kerry?

Please dude.

Was this jerk still working for McCain & Jerry Fawell while I was busting my ass for DEMS in 3 states in '02 & '04?

DU inspired me to do these things- it certainly wasnt pundits on TV media or conservative DEMS.

And where does this BullShitMoose guy post- could it be on the "net" he likes to disparage?

If you dont like DU, DUers, or think it is useless, then go.

[madfloridian]

25. Worst thing the DLC does is use tactics of humiliation.....

against their fellow Democrats, against those who speak out. They are the same tactics that Rush Limbaugh uses. He degrades those he wishes to undermine.

Has anyone noticed that the DLC spokespeople have used terms like Rush does? One example is referring to the "Michael Moore/Cindy Sheehan/Howard Dean" wing of the party in a nasty way.

Look it up.

The worst attacks come from Bull Moose, who is a Republican who is ashamed to be seen in a donkey suit. Al From is ridiculously overboard in his statements, and the ones from 2003 were way overboard. Will Marshall doesn't do so bad either.

I could go on.

Using words to humiliate fellow Democrats is one of their main tactics.

[LoZoccolo]

26. Yeah, you're right, we never see any of that against the DLC.

Everyone's arguments against Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton have been intellectually honest and have refrained from inflammatory rhetoric.

[ShortnFiery]

30. Yes, and you scrap the bottom of the immoral barrel

You say that my claim of Country before Party is JUST LIKE Zell Miller, yet you FAIL to apologize to me when YOUR memory served YOU WRONG? (he put his Family not Country above Party) I'm waiting for a full apology. <crickets chirping>

IMO (and many others) you et. al., immediately default to attacking the person instead of the argument. Name calling and comparing us to "the other" is just sickening. I want nothing to do with DLCers. :puke:

How Right Wing Republican-esque of you. :(

[madfloridian]

31. I think he just endorsed McCain for president? Lieberman for VP?

Bull Moose just declared his party affiliation...the M/L wing. As in McCain Lieberman..

http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2006/07/m-l-faction.html

"That is why the Moose belongs to the McCain-Lieberman Faction (Bull Moose). Unlike most other politicians, both of these men are statesmen who are willing to challenge the foolish orthodoxies of petty partisans. And the Moose is not alone in this perspective."

"The Moose maintains that we must bridge the red state-blue state divide. We are at war with a Jihadist enemy that plays upon our divisions. Unfortunately, the activist left in the Democratic Party loathes Lieberman more than they hate our country's enemies. More on that later.

As far as the Moose is concerned, we profoundly need a politics of national unity. Given the structure of our political system, it is highly unlikely that there will be a serious third party in the foreseeable future. That is why the Moose will pick and choose stalwart national greatness politicians regardless of their party affiliation.

The Moose is convinced that the next President will be an individual who can unite the country and offer proposals that transcend the partisan divide. It is high time that cowering and pandering politicians wise up to that fact."

Shades of Unity08. Connection? Maybe that explains why they have a game with Howard Dean riding in a cart and screaming..??

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/172

[LincolnMcGrath]

33. Great News! McMaverick and Joementum join forces for 3 way w / *

"both of these men are statesmen who are willing to challenge the foolish orthodoxies of petty partisans"

Unless the foolish orthodoxies are those of the petty partisans in the * admin.

[Donna Zen]

39. Damaging

Whitman is of course covering the butts of all of the DLC stars who voted for bush's dandy war. That those who opposed the war because they know how to read and think beyond the driving force of polls, makes us his object of scorn. Now this is curious because we were right, and he, along with his group, were oh so very wrong.

Nevertheless, his denigration of a huge swath of the Democratic party is both aiding the rightwing zealots, and damaging the image of Democrats in the eyes of the American public. You know, maybe Whitman should stand in a room with Paul Hackett and call him weak on defense.

The DLC remains a party within a party, and they show no sign of stopping in the destruction of their host.

[madfloridian]

40. Especially damaging because this blog links from the DLC....

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=252975&subid=900094&kaid=86

It is part of its blog zoo. They call themselves Democrats yet they have a blogger who is leader in the group. He is declared as a senior fellow of the PPI, and I saw he was also declared a senior fellow at the DLC...both in the same office.

http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=87&subsecID=112&contentID=252919

PPI | Bio | July 3, 2006
Marshall Wittmann
Senior Fellow

"Marshall Wittmann is a senior fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute. Previously, he was Director of Communications for Senator John McCain (R-AZ). Mr. Wittmann has served in various positions with the Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation, Christian Coalition, and in the administration of President George H. W. Bush.

Wittman explains his political journey in the October, 2004 issue of Blueprint magazine."

Yes, it is damaging.

[Dr Fate]

44. Oh- so this guy is a flip-flopping Republican then. AH-HA! I see.

Thanks for the info- that explains EVERYTHING.

And to think some DUers defend this creep- a freaking right-leaning Repub.

[madfloridian]

46. Yes, McCain's campaign communications director...

And a lobbyist for the Christian Coalition...buddy buddy with Pat Robertson and Ralph Reed and that crew.

[Dr Fate]

48. He worked for the televangelists- what a prince of a fellow.

Thanks for that info- it ALL makes sense now.

I guess the excuse makers will try to tell me that Jerry Fawell is a "centrist."

[flpoljunkie]

60. There's more. His bio from the Progressive Policy Institute below.

http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=87&subsecID=112&contentID=252919

PPI | Bio | July 3, 2006

Marshall Wittmann
Senior Fellow

Marshall Wittmann is a senior fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute. Previously, he was Director of Communications for Senator John McCain (R-AZ). Mr. Wittmann has served in various positions with the Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation, Christian Coalition, and in the administration of President George H. W. Bush.

[Donna Zen]

56. A question about leadership

In my vocabulary "leadership" has a meaning. Plus leaders need to earn respect. I think it odd that anyone who wants to be called a leader expects to be followed when they make fun of the people they are demanding "get in line." A rather authoritarian concept don't cha think?

For years the far rightwing has defended its most rabid followers like Coulter and Robertson as respresenting mainstream thought. Now this Wittman guy stomps in from Christian Coalition, flings baseless charges at us supported by elected Democrats because the base doesn't agree with an unnecessary war, unfair trade practices, and the threats to the low and middle class.

They have plenty of corporate money, leverage and access. I'm not sure if we can win, but in the end, if we lose so does the DLC. Cause money can't buy my vote. I'm done with these turkey-butts.

[Dr Fate]

42. I love how the "strategists" who lost the last 3 elections lecture us.

If these right-leaning strategists had actually won something in the past 3 election cycles, they might have a point. They didnt and they dont.


And before someone accuses lefties & moderates of not winning any recent elections against Bush & Co., be sure to have the names of those strategists and what "far left" concepts were advocated by them. It was mostly "centrist" (AKA right-leaning) strategies that were employed in the last 3 elections we lost.

[wyldwolf]

52. by the way...

"moderate" and "centrist" mean the same thing.

So, what were the "centrist" (AKA moderate) strategies that were employed in the last three elections?

[madfloridian]

53. That is just total BS, ww.

They just keep changing their description, whatever word they want to use.

[Name removed]

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[wyldwolf]

75. argue with the dictionary

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[ray of light]

61. ...

[BootinUp]

68. But we are the nutroots.

Flame on! <G>

[LiviaOlivia]

72. DLCers and Mooseketeers! Because this article can't be reposted enough

JANUARY 11, 2005
MATT TAIBBI
New York Press

What about a Chairman who hails from the reddest of red states, a former Republican, ex-union official who worked with devout Christians and is Jewish and has well-defined ties to the McCainiac-independent voter? And all of the candidates express their appreciation of the power of the Internet, why not a Chairman who resides there? The Moose—what's not to like!

The antlered one could certainly give the donkey a well-placed kick in the behind and transform him into a reform animal. And the Moose certainly knows the adversary since he was once privy to the counsels of the DeLays, Santorums, Norquists and Reeds.

The Moose shouldn't make a hasty decision. Perhaps he should embark upon a listening tour of the blogosphere and hear from the Mooseketeers.

—Marshall Wittmann

How about it, Mooseketeers? Marshall Wittmann, the former legislative director for the Christian Coalition and also a veteran talking head of such excellent organizations as the Heritage Foundation and the Hudson Institute (which hypes him as "one of the nation's most quoted analysts"), offers himself as a candidate for the chair of the Democratic Party. Wittmann, you see, is now an operative at the Democratic Leadership Council—he got the policy operative spot that opened up when Al From and Bruce Reed were tipped off that their initial choice, Mobutu Sese Seko, had been dead for years. So they brought in Wittmann, whose chief credentials were that he used to stand guard for Ralph Reed at church rest rooms whenever the latter ducked out of evening mass to jerk off to Ranger Rick centerfolds.

~snip~

http://www.newyorkpress.com/print.cfm?content_id=11929

A classic and if you haven't read this then please do.

on edit: Anyone notice the quality(lack of) of Wittmann's writing? He's a Junior High drama queen.

[LincolnMcGrath]

74. Thanks for the link

[madfloridian]

77. Oh, thank you. I was searching for that one.

I had forgotten the date, and couldn't find it in the archves.

That picture is absolutely funny and creepy. :spray:

[LiviaOlivia]

81. OT-You're the best madf

I learn from your posts and admire your selections of postings.

Thank you!

[The Magistrate]

83. Locking

This has become a flame-war.